ESPN's 5 most deadly hitters

[firehawk350]

Your right bro, I apologize you didnt say that. I didnt mean to jump on ya.

Its just that many have used that jacobs play from last year and say roy got plowed or whatever, when the opposite is true, it was from the 1 and jacobs is 265 he should score 10 out of 10 times in that situation and the fact that in oct of 05 with the giants down a td in the last 2 minutes of the game from the 2 Roy stood jacobs up and stripped the ball which was very impressive.

And the example of portis doing anything to him is another questionable one because Dallas stopped washington 7 straight times from inside the 5 yard line and roy made 4 of the tackles almost single handedly, and portis was stopped twice trying to run it in from there by roy.

and to clarify, I dont think cowboys fans or Commanders fans should be talking about the play of roy williams or sean taylor from 06 because both of them were exposed and had average years.

I hate that debate and am glad you didnt mean to start that, The only things worse to talk about are religion and politics.

No worries. I was just surprised this wasn't a thread yet because it's a very suspect list and it's pretty "in" to jump on ******** things sports writers write. The only thing that stands out in my head from that play was a cowboy that I normally associated with being able to make a stop having a clear shot and basically not making the stop. I asked and everyone thinks I'm saying that Roy can't hit. I wasn't insinuating, I just didn't remember who it was that didn't make the stop.
We had sever blocking problems that game and if I remember correctly, it was Dock that kept letting Roy through. I was as pissed as anyone else, but I don't think they ever met head-to-head to really get a good look at it.
But Roy had a decent 06 season, whereas Sean's was like the rest of the defense, pretty embarrassing

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I thought Sean Taylor was All Pro?

How can an Pro Bowl player be abused so much by a 'She'?

the only award going next to Sean Taylor's name is "worst season for a defensive back in history"

 

[firehawk350]

Scheme and coverage responsibilities.

I'm just going to try to sum up the multitude of responses I got on it. He may have had a shoulder injury and had other coverage responsibilities. The shoulder injury is new to me, but he's had those coverage responsibilities for the last 3 years and that never stopped him before...

 

[theogt]

I'm just going to try to sum up the multitude of responses I got on it. He may have had a shoulder injury and had other coverage responsibilities. The shoulder injury is new to me, but he's had those coverage responsibilities for the last 3 years and that never stopped him before...

Injuries under Parcells rarely made the news. Unless you're taken out of the game by the injury, no one is likely to know about it. You would have thought that, outside of Greg Ellis, the Cowboys remained relatively injury-free in '06. That apparently wasn't the case.

 

[firehawk350]

it's because he's been playing CF so much these past 3 years

God, do you watch any games besides Commander games?

Well, I catch all the Skins games (obviously) and most of the Boys games. But I have a son (2 years) who creates all kinds of havoc and sometimes I miss things and only catch bits and pieces of others. I record the games onto my computer, but a full-time job, school and being a single father keeps me from reviewing them as much as I'd like.

 

[firehawk350]

Injuries under Parcells rarely made the news. Unless you're taken out of the game by the injury, no one is likely to know about it. You would have thought that, outside of Greg Ellis, the Cowboys remained relatively injury-free in '06. That apparently wasn't the case.

Well it's a smart move, if you broadcast you had an injury, somebody's going to try to take advantage of it.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Well it's a smart move, if you broadcast you had an injury, somebody's going to try to take advantage of it.

Yep. Or you could say someone's injured when they're not, and get an even bigger advantage. Hmm...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yep. Or you could say someone's injured when they're not, and get an even bigger advantage. Hmm...

:laugh2: :laugh1:

nice shot at the Commanders and Coach Gibbs

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'm just going to try to sum up the multitude of responses I got on it. He may have had a shoulder injury and had other coverage responsibilities. The shoulder injury is new to me, but he's had those coverage responsibilities for the last 3 years and that never stopped him before...

The shoulder injury info is based on fan observation, not necessarily something that was reported. The only reported injury for Roy was tendinitis...and that was after the season.

Scheme and coverage responsibilities combined with a rookie and a clueless player in the defensive backfield... Roy is ok in coverage, but not good enough to cover for those two.

 

[jobberone]

Well, he's famous for the supplex he does on poor receivers because they just caught the ball and are upright. Doesn't take too much strength (for a professional athlete) IMO but there it is.

I think the guy is great and he is a hard hitter. I like him because he's an all around performer. He deserves to go to the Pro Bowl. You're right about leveling vunerable WRs. Dawkins is a very good safety. I guess a Philly writer has to put him up there.

 

[theebs]

well just so we all know what is being discussed, here are the two plays with jacobs from the one.

I forgot what a jerk this guy is. Jacobs really over celebrates his td in that game, I guess its karma that he couldnt convert a 4th and 1 in ny in december that led to a critical 3 points for us.

and the td jacobs scores, I dont even see roy, he must be at the bottom of the pile? Click download when it pops up.

http://www.4shared.com/file/14294609/dbf436c3/jacobs_from_the_1.html

 

[DragonCowboy]

:laugh2: :laugh1:

nice shot at the Commanders and Coach Gibbs

Hey I'm good for a "funny" every year or so!

 

[BouncingCheese]

He doesn't whiff very often. He leads the league in tackles for a safety...

Your right, he does have alot of tackles...because he blew his cover responsiblity with the reciever, (who caught the ball for a first down most probably:laugh1: ) and has to tackle him. Tackles don't mean sh** if your a defensive back, unless your a cover two defensive back like ronde barber whose responsibilty it is to prevent the run if they go on the edges. Perfect example http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133350 Chris Mcalister is a GREAT corner, who doesn't have many tackles, because the recievers he covers don't catch the ball because he swatted them away. Want another example? Terrance Newman; he doesn't have that many tackles, because he does such a good job shutting his man down. Sean Taylor: Good hitter? hell yes. Can he cover? I wouldn't say any better than Roy Williams.

Julius Peppers, DE, Carolina Panthers: He's a physical freak, and when he comes off the corner he hurts people. You can't say he's just a defensive end because unlike a lot of ends he delivers a blow that is remembered.

What the hell is Eric Allen talking about? If a defensive end hits you, you will FEEL it and remember it. I don't give a damn which end is there, it will still hurt. (Peppers might hurt more though)Give me a break. This isn't Donnie Edwards tapping the qb down here gently.

 

[BouncingCheese]

There were rumors of a shoulder injury. I think he was wearing a device at some point -- some sort of shoulder harness. Whatever it is, it was very obvious that his "hitability" dropped off very suddenly in the 2nd half of the season.

People, that may be, but he was REALLY overwieght this year. Jurazcek (spelling?) mentioned it, and you could see it. I think he was approaching 235-40 lbs ( don't believe all the wieght listings, they lie about that all the time/change all the time), and it was not all muscle He started to look kinda soft. If he drops some weight this offseason, I think his coverage skills will come back to average, which is all I want honestly. If he does that, he might just be put in the right places to make plays by Phillips to deserve his probowl nod.

 

[yazzmode621]

the only award going next to Sean Taylor's name is "worst season for a defensive back in history"

This is an absolute ridiculous thing to say, even for a Cowboys fan. Sean Taylor had a bad year in coverage. There's no denying that. But he was the only guy making tackles on our team last year. 110+ tackles by your FS is not a good thing.

Cowboys fans seem to have very short memories. Taylor displayed excellent coverage skills his first two years in the league, effectively covering top receivers like Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, TO and Antonio Gates.

He had one year where no one on his team was able to tackle. The guy tried to do too much and made himself look bad. But there is a reason that he plays FS. Because he has displayed exceptional coverage skills in his first two years in the league. No matter what Cowboys fans would like to believe.

 

[DragonCowboy]

This is an absolute ridiculous thing to say, even for a Cowboys fan.

stopped reading right there.

you're not gonna get very far saying that.

 

[BouncingCheese]

This is an absolute ridiculous thing to say, even for a Cowboys fan. Sean Taylor had a bad year in coverage. There's no denying that. But he was the only guy making tackles on our team last year. 110+ tackles by your FS is not a good thing.

Cowboys fans seem to have very short memories. Taylor displayed excellent coverage skills his first two years in the league, effectively covering top receivers like Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, TO and Antonio Gates.

He had one year where no one on his team was able to tackle. The guy tried to do too much and made himself look bad. But there is a reason that he plays FS. Because he has displayed exceptional coverage skills in his first two years in the league. No matter what Cowboys fans would like to believe.

If you really want to dilute yourself with that nonsense, go ahead an go to extremeskins.com They spew some stupid s*** there like this drivel. I am glad that I found this website, those foreskins' fans really don't know anything. At least cowboys fans acknowledge our teams' shortcomings. Taylor *displayed* a great ability to benefit from fred smoot and shawn springs as good cover corners. Eric Allen would rather put Sean Taylor there than a cowboys player. *cough cough, player hater*

 

[theogt]

This is an absolute ridiculous thing to say, even for a Cowboys fan. Sean Taylor had a bad year in coverage. There's no denying that. But he was the only guy making tackles on our team last year. 110+ tackles by your FS is not a good thing.

Cowboys fans seem to have very short memories. Taylor displayed excellent coverage skills his first two years in the league, effectively covering top receivers like Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, TO and Antonio Gates.

He had one year where no one on his team was able to tackle. The guy tried to do too much and made himself look bad. But there is a reason that he plays FS. Because he has displayed exceptional coverage skills in his first two years in the league. No matter what Cowboys fans would like to believe.

Most missed tackles in the league. Most TDs given up by a DB in the league.

I mean, seriously, how can you not at least consider his '06 as one of the worst ever? Was it really? No, probably not. Was it up there with some of the all-time worst seasons for a DB, particularly one drafted in the 1st round? Of course it was. It was horrible, absolutely horrible.

Just because the rest of your defense sucked, requiring Taylor to actually make tackles, doesn't mean he had a good season.

 

[WoodysGirl]

People, that may be, but he was REALLY overwieght this year. Jurazcek (spelling?) mentioned it, and you could see it. I think he was approaching 235-40 lbs ( don't believe all the wieght listings, they lie about that all the time/change all the time), and it was not all muscle He started to look kinda soft. If he drops some weight this offseason, I think his coverage skills will come back to average, which is all I want honestly. If he does that, he might just be put in the right places to make plays by Phillips to deserve his probowl nod.

Uhmm Juraszek didn't say Roy was overweight. This is what he said.

Roy Williams:
Juraszek: We want to get him leaned up. We want him to get him where his ability to move back there and do the things that they want him to do as a safety. But the problem comes in is that Roy is so physically gifted, that we have to limit his leg work. He's so thick and strong in his legs. It's that old saying, 'What makes you strong, makes you weak.' His thick, strong hips and legs make him powerful, but they can also be a hindrance at a point in time. We have to be smart how we train Roy's hips and legs so he can still move like an athlete back there.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85101&highlight=eatman

 

[yazzmode621]

If you really want to dilute yourself with that nonsense, go ahead an go to extremeskins.com They spew some stupid s*** there like this drivel. I am glad that I found this website, those foreskins' fans really don't know anything. At least cowboys fans acknowledge our teams' shortcomings. Taylor *displayed* a great ability to benefit from fred smoot and shawn springs as good cover corners. Eric Allen would rather put Sean Taylor there than a cowboys player. *cough cough, player hater*

You're kidding yourself if you dont think there is no homeristic statements made here. LMAO @ Taylor benefitting at covering players because of great corner play. No, he benefiited from the DL and LB being able to do their job in stopping the run and tackling.

Last time I checked, the Eagles are a division rival of the Skins too. Allen didn't have to put either a Commanders player or a Cowboys player. Besides, I wasn't even discussing that.