ESPN's 5 most deadly hitters

[yazzmode621]

Most missed tackles in the league. Most TDs given up by a DB in the league.

I mean, seriously, how can you not at least consider his '06 as one of the worst ever? Was it really? No, probably not. Was it up there with some of the all-time worst seasons for a DB, particularly one drafted in the 1st round? Of course it was. It was horrible, absolutely horrible.

Just because the rest of your defense sucked, requiring Taylor to actually make tackles, doesn't mean he had a good season.

Having 111 tackles, 3 FFs, and 1 INT is not one of the worst years ever. Not even close. Also, unless you know the exact plays being run(only the coaches know that for sure), there is no way you can tell how many TDs he gave up. I know that at least one TD is incorrectly attributed to him(Glenn's TD in the first game). He did have a lot of missed tackles but the guy was our only playmaker last year on D.

Was last year Taylor's best year in the league? No. Definitely not. But was it one of the worst years EVER for a DB? Not even close.

 

[BouncingCheese]

Uhmm Juraszek didn't say Roy was overweight. This is what he said.

Roy Williams:
Juraszek: We want to get him leaned up. We want him to get him where his ability to move back there and do the things that they want him to do as a safety. But the problem comes in is that Roy is so physically gifted, that we have to limit his leg work. He's so thick and strong in his legs. It's that old saying, 'What makes you strong, makes you weak.' His thick, strong hips and legs make him powerful, but they can also be a hindrance at a point in time. We have to be smart how we train Roy's hips and legs so he can still move like an athlete back there.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85101&highlight=eatman

Your right. But he was bieng nice about it. He was overwieght last year. He was slower than past years, you could see how he looked when he played. He wants to get him "leaned up". Juraszek is not going to comeout and call a vet and solid probowl contrivutor overwieght, because he would get smacked silly.

And I really don't have the time to look it up right now, I promise I will post it though, but si reported on "truths and rumors" about roys decreasing ability in pass protection because of his lackadaisical attitude in the wieght room which lead to wieght gain. Just believe me for now, I wouldn't lie or spew bad stuff about my favorite player without reason. I am frustrated with his play as of late

 

[theogt]

Having 111 tackles, 3 FFs, and 1 INT is not one of the worst years ever. Not even close. Also, unless you know the exact plays being run(only the coaches know that for sure), there is no way you can tell how many TDs he gave up. I know that at least one TD is incorrectly attributed to him(Glenn's TD in the first game). He did have a lot of missed tackles but the guy was our only playmaker last year on D.

Was last year Taylor's best year in the league? No. Definitely not. But was it one of the worst years EVER for a DB? Not even close.

Here's a question for you. Was it the worst by a DB in 2006?

 

[theogt]

Your right. But he was bieng nice about it. He was overwieght last year. He was slower than past years, you could see how he looked when he played. He wants to get him "leaned up". Juraszek is not going to comeout and call a vet and solid probowl contrivutor overwieght, because he would get smacked silly.

And I really don't have the time to look it up right now, I promise I will post it though, but si reported on "truths and rumors" about roys decreasing ability in pass protection because of his lackadaisical attitude in the wieght room which lead to wieght gain. Just believe me for now, I wouldn't lie or spew bad stuff about my favorite player without reason. I am frustrated with his play as of late

There does appear to be a contradiction in his comments. He wants him to get "leaned up" which obviously means, when read literally, he wants him to lose fat. It could mean, however, that he simply wants him to lose muscle mass. When read with the rest of the statement, it appears that understanding of the phrase is more likely what Joe J intended.

 

[yazzmode621]

Here's a question for you. Was it the worst by a DB in 2006?

No. Of course you're going to say yes. Ever since Sean Taylor came into the league, there has been a "my guy is better than yours" kind of argument(which I did participate in before) between Skins and Boys fans about who has the better safety.

 

[theebs]

Having 111 tackles, 3 FFs, and 1 INT is not one of the worst years ever. Not even close. Also, unless you know the exact plays being run(only the coaches know that for sure), there is no way you can tell how many TDs he gave up. I know that at least one TD is incorrectly attributed to him(Glenn's TD in the first game). He did have a lot of missed tackles but the guy was our only playmaker last year on D.

Was last year Taylor's best year in the league? No. Definitely not. But was it one of the worst years EVER for a DB? Not even close.

how was the glenn td incorrectly given to him? I am dying to know this.

Glenn ran a drag route right in front of his face and ran straight past him. So are you blaming it on the linebackers? Was it the corners fault for giving him a free release?

IF you dont know what defense is called how can you not blame him for it? If it was cover 1 he would have responsiblity for that whole area, it wasnt man to man.

So having just said you dont know what the play was that was called how can you not blame taylor. I am dying to know.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Your right. But he was bieng nice about it. He was overwieght last year. He was slower than past years, you could see how he looked when he played. He wants to get him "leaned up". Juraszek is not going to comeout and call a vet and solid probowl contrivutor overwieght, because he would get smacked silly.

How do you take what he said as being nice? For all the folks whining about his weight, he made every prescribed weight by the team...according to BP.

And I really don't have the time to look it up right now, I promise I will post it though, but si reported on "truths and rumors" about roys decreasing ability in pass protection because of his lackadaisical attitude in the wieght room which lead to wieght gain. Just believe me for now, I wouldn't lie or spew bad stuff about my favorite player without reason. I am frustrated with his play as of late

So you believe SI: Truth and Rumors over what the Cowboys trainer says? Uhmm ok. I see nothing else to discuss here.

 

[apickmans]

Having 111 tackles, 3 FFs, and 1 INT is not one of the worst years ever. Not even close. Also, unless you know the exact plays being run(only the coaches know that for sure), there is no way you can tell how many TDs he gave up. I know that at least one TD is incorrectly attributed to him(Glenn's TD in the first game). He did have a lot of missed tackles but the guy was our only playmaker last year on D.

Was last year Taylor's best year in the league? No. Definitely not. But was it one of the worst years EVER for a DB? Not even close.

Relax Yazzmode. I agree with what you have said about last season not being close to being one of the worst years ever for a DB, but this is a cowboys message board and the hate is strong in here haha. I knew as soon as Firehawk posted that link on this thread it would turn into another Taylor bashing, just because their boy Roy wasted listed by Eric Allen. I mean I understand why this thread is so long (offseason), but do you guys really care what Eric Allen says. As for Roy, I do believe he is a hard hitter and he should of probably been added, but this list should mostly be made up LBers, no?

 

[yazzmode621]

how was the glenn td incorrectly given to him? I am dying to know this.

Glenn ran a drag route right in front of his face and ran straight past him. So are you blaming it on the linebackers? Was it the corners fault for giving him a free release?

IF you dont know what defense is called how can you not blame him for it? If it was cover 1 he would have responsiblity for that whole area, it wasnt man to man.

So having just said you dont know what the play was that was called how can you not blame taylor. I am dying to know.

Because it looked like a Cover 2 and TO was on the right and he was Taylor's responsibility. Archuleta left his position to cover Witten and left his side of the field completely uncovered. Taylor, having great range, was the first person to get to Glenn and people automatically put the TD on him. He gets wrongly criticized for having great range.

 

[Rampage]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=allen_eric&id=2839329

To save you time, Roy Williams is NOT there... I disagree with Julius Peppers. Maybe Roy should go there???

troy polamalu and rodney harrison? how about roy williams and bob sanders

 

[theogt]

No. Of course you're going to say yes. Ever since Sean Taylor came into the league, there has been a "my guy is better than yours" kind of argument(which I did participate in before) between Skins and Boys fans about who has the better safety.

I'm not too worried about that argument any longer. I think there's been a pretty clear winner.

I just find it remarkable that Taylor set a league record for missing tackles and led the league in TDs given up. If he wasn't the worst DB in the league, I'd like to know who you think was worse.

 

[yazzmode621]

Relax Yazzmode. I agree with what you have said about last season not being close to being one of the worst years ever for a DB, but this is a cowboys message board and the hate is strong in here haha. I knew as soon as Firehawk posted that link on this thread it would turn into another Taylor bashing, just because their boy Roy wasted listed by Eric Allen. I mean I understand why this thread is so long (offseason), but do you guys really care what Eric Allen says. As for Roy, I do believe he is a hard hitter and he should of probably been added, but this list should mostly be made up LBers, no?

Hate? Dude I just posted that I dont think Taylor was not even close to as bad as they're making him out to be. Where is the hate?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Because he has displayed exceptional coverage skills in his first two years in the league. No matter what Cowboys fans would like to believe.

LOL at exceptional coverage skills, he's alright, but he makes too many mental mistakes which causes him to get burnt, and statistically, Sean Taylor had the worst year for a D-back in history, so unless you can tell me the exact plays and all that, the stats for TDs given up have to be taken as fact

 

[theebs]

Because it looked like a Cover 2 and TO was on the right and he was Taylor's responsibility. Archuleta left his position to cover Witten and left his side of the field completely uncovered. Taylor, having great range, was the first person to get to Glenn and people automatically put the TD on him. He gets wrongly criticized for having great range.

cover 2 doesnt give safeties players to cover, it gives them areas to cover.

It might have been cover 1, which looks like cover 2 but taylors spot becomes the center fielder and would make him responsible for a part of the area glenn ran right through.

again, we dont know what defense was called as stated by you. Ironically that is about the same spot on the field where in 05 witten made archuletta look real bad for a td, so maybe he got nervous and jumped a route leaving his c-2 responsiblities which would make you right, but we dont know. IF it was cover 1 though, taylor would be responsible for that area, especially since he ran right past him.

 

[apickmans]

Hate? Dude I just posted that I dont think Taylor was not even close to as bad as they're making him out to be. Where is the hate?

You read it wrong. I didnt say you were the one Hatin'

 

[BouncingCheese]

How do you take what he said as being nice? For all the folks whining about his weight, he made every prescribed weight by the team...according to BP.
So you believe SI: Truth and Rumors over what the Cowboys trainer says? Uhmm ok. I see nothing else to discuss here.

Uhmmm I was watching the games my friend, I don't need the Truths & Rumors page to back up my own beliefs. And I do find something else to discuss here thank you very much. I am sure you watched the games too Woody, he seemed out of shape to me. I know I am not the only one who feels that way, even if you don't, I don't care. And BP always kept things about his players on the down-low, why would he want to release info about his star safety bieng overwieght? He never even posts' player injuries up for the AP, why would he let the league and it's teams have more ammunition to use on Roy if they wanted to further exploit him?

And I don't think he Juraszek was bieng nice, he just didn't want to come out and say he was overwieght.

 

[yazzmode621]

I'm not too worried about that argument any longer. I think there's been a pretty clear winner.

I just find it remarkable that Taylor set a league record for missing tackles and led the league in TDs given up. If he wasn't the worst DB in the league, I'd like to know who you think was worse.

Yea, me too.

Like I already mentioned, there is no clear way of determining how many TDs given up by each player. Not to mention that you would have to include how many catches and yards said player has given up. I dont keep a list of people who I thought had worst years than Taylor but I feel like although he did have his worst year out of the three years in the league, he was still one of the better DBs in the game. Torry Holt agrees with me too.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yea, me too.

Like I already mentioned, there is no clear way of determining how many TDs given up by each player.

well some people manage to do it, you have to disprove the stat w/ more than just an ambiguous statement

Tory Holt agrees with me too.

:laugh2: how many times have those 2 teams played each other in Taylor's tenure? twice?

and Taylor has never had a special year, yet has had 1 really awful one, I wouldn't call that top of the line

 

[yazzmode621]

LOL at exceptional coverage skills, he's alright, but he makes too many mental mistakes which causes him to get burnt, and statistically, Sean Taylor had the worst year for a D-back in history, so unless you can tell me the exact plays and all that, the stats for TDs given up have to be taken as fact

I dont care enough to go through all the supposed TDs given up by Taylor(nor do I know the exact coverage in every situation) to determine how many he actually gave up. The people at STATS dont know the coverage responsibilities either, so there guess is as good as mine or yours.

 

[Blue&Silver]

Solid list.

If I were to dispute 1 it would probably be Peppers just because of the position he plays.