ESPN's 5 most deadly hitters

[Bob Sacamano]

I dont care enough to go through all the supposed TDs given up by Taylor(nor do I know the exact coverage in every situation) to determine how many he actually gave up. The people at STATS dont know the coverage responsibilities either, so there guess is as good as mine or yours.

they're not guessing, they are actually breaking down every shot of game-footage, of course they don't know what the coverages are, and noone will probably know since NFL coaches don't usually explain what they are doing in those exact terms, again, you're going to need to do more than just throw ambiguities out there to disprove these stats

 

[Alexander]

Cant wait to see it !!!! I'll be looking out for some more Sean Taylor coverage lapses

Who needs that when you have impressive shots of him doing amazing things like blasting a 175-pound punter.

Commander fans adore a highlight reel player who makes SportsCenter. They worshipped Arrington for years based off of little than that.

Sadly, there are Cowboy fans that do the same thing off of Roy Williams' exploits.

 

[apickmans]

well some people manage to do it, you have to disprove the stat w/ more than just an ambiguous statement



:laugh2: how many times have those 2 teams played each other in Taylor's tenure? twice?

and Taylor has never had a special year, yet has had 1 really awful one, I wouldn't call that top of the line

Oh cmon Bob, do you really think Sean Taylor would of made the pro bowl if he really had that bad of a season

 

[the kid 05]

KronicMan88[/COLOR]] (4/17/2007 at 1:18 AM)
Your List Is Way off. More Like 1.Bob (hitstick) Sanders 2. Sean Taylor 3. Roy Williams 4. John Lynch 5. Ray Lewis

i like his list, minus bob "hitstick" sanders, he hits as hard as my 13 month old cousin

 

[yazzmode621]

cover 2 doesnt give safeties players to cover, it gives them areas to cover.

It might have been cover 1, which looks like cover 2 but taylors spot becomes the center fielder and would make him responsible for a part of the area glenn ran right through.

again, we dont know what defense was called as stated by you. Ironically that is about the same spot on the field where in 05 witten made archuletta look real bad for a td, so maybe he got nervous and jumped a route leaving his c-2 responsiblities which would make you right, but we dont know. IF it was cover 1 though, taylor would be responsible for that area, especially since he ran right past him.

That could be it. It looked like Cover 2 because Rogers released TO to the safety, who was Taylor. Glenn was lined up in the slot and ran right to where Archuleta would have been if he wouldn't have bitten so hard on Witten's route.

Let me put it this way: If it wasn't cover 2 and Glenn was Taylor's responsibility, then Rogers screwed up by releasing TO to Taylor. If Taylor would've gone over to cover Glenn, TO would've been wide open for six.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh cmon Bob, do you really think Sean Taylor would of made the pro bowl if he really had that bad of a season

I don't know what you guys are trying to tell us, that Taylor had a good season?

 

[theogt]

Because it looked like a Cover 2 and TO was on the right and he was Taylor's responsibility. Archuleta left his position to cover Witten and left his side of the field completely uncovered. Taylor, having great range, was the first person to get to Glenn and people automatically put the TD on him. He gets wrongly criticized for having great range.

You obviously haven't watched the play. It was not a Cover 2. Taylor's responsibility was without a doubt Terry Glenn on that play. Glenn juked to the left, Taylor bit, and Glenn cut to the right for an easy TD. That was an embarassingly bad play by Taylor.

 

[yazzmode621]

they're not guessing, they are actually breaking down every shot of game-footage, of course they don't know what the coverages are, and noone will probably know since NFL coaches don't usually explain what they are doing in those exact terms, again, you're going to need to do more than just throw ambiguities out there to disprove these stats

I dont think I need to prove anything. You proved my point for me.

 

[theogt]

Yea, me too.

Like I already mentioned, there is no clear way of determining how many TDs given up by each player. Not to mention that you would have to include how many catches and yards said player has given up. I dont keep a list of people who I thought had worst years than Taylor but I feel like although he did have his worst year out of the three years in the league, he was still one of the better DBs in the game. Torry Holt agrees with me too.

So basically you have no idea whether he was the worst or whether he wasn't.

Gotcha.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I dont think I need to prove anything. You proved my point for me.

if you want to disprove a stat, you have to come up w/ some of your own

you haven't done that, stats...1, yazzmode...0

 

[apickmans]

I don't know what you guys are trying to tell us, that Taylor had a good season?

I was making a joke with that smiley face. Ive already gone on record saying Taylor had a bad season and didnt deserve the pro bowl. You keep bringing up that he had statically the worst season ever for a DB. Did he just all of a sudden become the worst DB ever after 2 good seasons? You want us to cut him? Should we replace him with AA (oh wait nm) because he obviously wouldnt do as bad as the worst DB ever, right? Him having an awful season doesnt mean hes not a huge hitter, which was the whole point of this thread right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So basically you have no idea whether he was the worst or whether he wasn't.

Gotcha.

did you actually see Lee Harvey Oswald shoot JFK? :laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was making a joke with that smiley face. Ive already gone on record saying Taylor had a bad season and didnt deserve the pro bowl. You keep bringing up that he had statically the worst season ever for a DB. Did he just all of a sudden become the worst DB ever after 2 good seasons? You want us to cut him? Should we replace him with AA (oh wait nm) because he obviously wouldnt do as bad as the worst DB ever, right? Him having an awful season doesnt mean hes not a huge hitter, which was the whole point of this thread right?

Taylor's '06 season was just a culmination of his career thus far, a player who doesn't play w/ his head and gets burnt an inordinate amount of times

noone is saying Taylor isn't a huge hitter

 

[theogt]

I was making a joke with that smiley face. Ive already gone on record saying Taylor had a bad season and didnt deserve the pro bowl. You keep bringing up that he had statically the worst season ever for a DB. Did he just all of a sudden become the worst DB ever after 2 good seasons? You want us to cut him? Should we replace him with AA (oh wait nm) because he obviously wouldnt do as bad as the worst DB ever, right? Him having an awful season doesnt mean hes not a huge hitter, which was the whole point of this thread right?

I certainly don't want you to cut him. Lord no...

As for why his deficiencies are now surfacing, a possible reason was given earlier in the thread: good corner play by his colleagues. When that disappears, his deficiencies are magnified.

 

[yazzmode621]

You obviously haven't watched the play. It was not a Cover 2. Taylor's responsibility was without a doubt Terry Glenn on that play. Glenn juked to the left, Taylor bit, and Glenn cut to the right for an easy TD. That was an embarassingly bad play by Taylor.

I actually have that game on my computer and have watched it multiple times. That is definitely not how it went down. Even after the play, they showed the Skins sideline and Steve Jackson, our safetys coach, was talking to Archuleta.

 

[yazzmode621]

So basically you have no idea whether he was the worst or whether he wasn't.

Gotcha.

No I definitely know he wasn't the worst. Not even close.

 

[theebs]

That could be it. It looked like Cover 2 because Rogers released TO to the safety, who was Taylor. Glenn was lined up in the slot and ran right to where Archuleta would have been if he wouldn't have bitten so hard on Witten's route.

Let me put it this way: If it wasn't cover 2 and Glenn was Taylor's responsibility, then Rogers screwed up by releasing TO to Taylor. If Taylor would've gone over to cover Glenn, TO would've been wide open for six.

I just went and watched this, It was not cover 2, not only that but witten stayed in and blocked the end.

Terry glen was not in the slot either. He was split wide and went into motion, right when he went into motion springs turns and points to taylor, meaning you got em....then taylor takes a mistep and glen ran straight past him and rogers appears to be badly out of position, I can not tell if lined up at safety on that play.

It was clearly on taylor, taylor miss judged glenn's speed. Dallas was in its heavy close set with owens lined up closer to the tackle. It was a max protect, play action play run perfectly. Both owens and glenn are doubled, taylor blew the coverage. I dont even see archuletta on the field. It appears Rogers was playing the other safety spot and wright was at corner along with springs..

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No I definitely know he wasn't the worst. Not even close.

and you base this off of? you got the players, stats, and the coverage being run to show me?

I love how you guys never produce any stats

 

[theogt]

I actually have that game on my computer and have watched it multiple times. That is definitely not how it went down. Even after the play, they showed the Skins sideline and Steve Jackson, our safetys coach, was talking to Archuleta.

Well, you kept saying TO was lined up on the right (when he wasn't) and it was a Cover 2 (when he was the only deep safety).

Just seems like you're watching something totally different.

And what I described is exactly how it went down. Taylor was the deep safety in the middle. Glenn was coming deep into his zone up the middle. Glenn juked to the left. Taylor bit. Glenn ran right and caught the easy TD. It happened exactly like that.

 

[yazzmode621]

if you want to disprove a stat, you have to come up w/ some of your own

you haven't done that, stats...1, yazzmode...0

Actually I did disprove their stat by showing how Taylor more than likely got blamed for AT LEAST one of the TDs attributed to him(I cant think of any more since I dont memorize every TD given up by Taylor).