Et Tu Sturm

Qcard

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,635
Reaction score
8,214
Dak’s tendencies in blowout games is to pad stats against garbage prevent. Dakazoid’s tendencies in such scenarios is to use that as a Dak flex.
Questions

If Dak Prescott completed the pass to either Schoonmaker or Turnip would Dak Haters narrative be?

A. Garbage Stats

B. Dak Can Read Defenses

C. Doesn't matter the Goalpost moved based on the context


Dak Haters are weirdos :lmao2: :lmao2:

But when a team decides not to play prevent in garbage time, Dakazoid’s then say it was meaningless and none of it mattered…
Dak Haters say Prescott can't read defenses on INTS that they would call Garbage Stats IF Mathieu's didn't make a HOF play....and Lamb caught pass

WEIRDOS..... :lmao:
 

TNCowboy

Double Trouble
Messages
10,795
Reaction score
3,326
where are they open? I didn't see it? or do you maginfy the space between those guys with a magnifying glass so it looks bigger?

if you actually put your bias aside and actually look at how the play unfolded, the throw was to CD, except the defender in the middle left his WR after the throw and kept going and ended up doubling up on CD
if you looked at when the QB actually gets ready to throw, both CD and Schoon are on teh 35 yard line and schoon is covered. him being open after the throw is meaningless. at that point CD is actually the most open WR, with plenty of space in front of him, if the throw gets there (which it didn't). if anything, he should have lofted it over, as opposed to throw it hard at him....

sorry dude, this was a big fat fail of reading how an offensive play unfolded. you just peed your pants (perhaps sharted).
:laugh: Both are open by 3 yards, Ms. Prescott. If your son could read a defense he would have seen the LB and DB on the 2 aforementioned players were beaten easily.
 

America's Cowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,718
Reaction score
51,245
where are they open? I didn't see it? or do you maginfy the space between those guys with a magnifying glass so it looks bigger?

if you actually put your bias aside and actually look at how the play unfolded, the throw was to CD, except the defender in the middle left his WR after the throw and kept going and ended up doubling up on CD
if you looked at when the QB actually gets ready to throw, both CD and Schoon are on teh 35 yard line and schoon is covered. him being open after the throw is meaningless. at that point CD is actually the most open WR, with plenty of space in front of him, if the throw gets there (which it didn't). if anything, he should have lofted it over, as opposed to throw it hard at him....

sorry dude, this was a big fat fail of reading how an offensive play unfolded. you just peed your pants (perhaps sharted).
Exactly! 100% correctly read, analyzed and explained.

Well done @CowboysFaninHouston !
 

America's Cowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,718
Reaction score
51,245
no, go watch the play and stop it as it progresses. you will see at the time the throw was made, both CD and Schoon are at the 35 and schoon is covered....him becoming open after the throw is meaningless....seriously, you people can't analyze a play this simple...and yet here you are.

CD was open. the saftey on the near hash had the WR responsibility coming to his area, after he saw the throw to CD he continued.
Correct!!! These anti-Dakkers clearly can't read a play correctly.
 

MapleLeaf

Maple Leaf
Messages
5,255
Reaction score
1,643
I’m not seeing anyone open I agree the worst place to go there is Lamb but I don’t see guys running wide open.
Schoon in NFL open. The ball should have been thrown his way. In this league you take that match up and that risk.

Key to this play is where the safety is. That should be one of Dak's earliest keys. Where is the deep help? They rolled coverage over to Lamb's side. Right away if you can count to four you can figure out where the one on one is with a LB.

Poor decision, and the pocket was clean also.
 

MapleLeaf

Maple Leaf
Messages
5,255
Reaction score
1,643
Dak had to get rid of the football quickly because of constant pressure. Heck, the pocket was collapsing around him from the snap of the ball.
Upon watching the video replay at the start of this post if you stop the video at the 25 second mark you can see that the nearest Saints defender is around two yards away from Dak, and there is a Cowboy lineman engaged with every Saint lineman so there are no free runs at Dak.

Also at the 25 second mark when Dak felt he needed to release the ball had he looked to his left based on the pre-snap configuration he would have been able to count four on the right side and know the safety was deep right. That should infer that he must take a look at the 7 route to the corner because SChoon may be isolated with a LB.

In the NFL you take those odds. It would have been a leisurely 35 yard throw and Schoonmaker had two steps on the LB.
 

America's Cowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,718
Reaction score
51,245
Upon watching the video replay at the start of this post if you stop the video at the 25 second mark you can see that the nearest Saints defender is around two yards away from Dak, and there is a Cowboy lineman engaged with every Saint lineman so there are no free runs at Dak.

Also at the 25 second mark when Dak felt he needed to release the ball had he looked to his left based on the pre-snap configuration he would have been able to count four on the right side and know the safety was deep right. That should infer that he must take a look at the 7 route to the corner because SChoon may be isolated with a LB.

In the NFL you take those odds. It would have been a leisurely 35 yard throw and Schoonmaker had two steps on the LB.
Schoonmaker was covered and didn't get a step on the LB until late. By that time, Dak had already thrown it to CeeDee who had a step on his defender.
 

MapleLeaf

Maple Leaf
Messages
5,255
Reaction score
1,643
where are they open? I didn't see it? or do you maginfy the space between those guys with a magnifying glass so it looks bigger?

if you actually put your bias aside and actually look at how the play unfolded, the throw was to CD, except the defender in the middle left his WR after the throw and kept going and ended up doubling up on CD
if you looked at when the QB actually gets ready to throw, both CD and Schoon are on teh 35 yard line and schoon is covered. him being open after the throw is meaningless. at that point CD is actually the most open WR, with plenty of space in front of him, if the throw gets there (which it didn't). if anything, he should have lofted it over, as opposed to throw it hard at him....

sorry dude, this was a big fat fail of reading how an offensive play unfolded. you just peed your pants (perhaps sharted).
This my best stab at this play. The point is not to follow the play as it unfolds. As an NFL QB you have to take a look at the keys that are unfolding.

1. The key to this play is the safety two yards left of the left hashmark from Dak's point of view.
2. You have 3x1 concept. What you want to do is see if the safety moves by looking towards the trips side of the field. If the doesn't slide right then stay with the trips routes.
3. If the safety starts drifting right even two steps immediately anbandon trips and look to the isolation route. You probably have a one on one.

At the seven second mark of the video the safety is hopping towards the trips side because he is following Dak;s eyes. PERFECT!

At the eight second mark the LB has released Schoon's jersey and Luke is pulling away.

At nine seconds Dak has released the ball, and there isn't a Saints player anywhere near him for at least two yards. His head should have screaming at him you got a one on one iso on the left side. TAKE A LOOK!!!!

The trips formation did its job.

Lamb did his job beating his man.

Dak did the first part of his job by holding the high safety to his right, and pulling the robber to his right.

Schoon beat his guy.

The only breakdown was Dak didn't take a peek left when all the signs told him to do so.

That is how I see this play in terms of what happened and how the concept is designed. The harder throw is the 7 route or the corner route. You need good arm talent and strength, but it was only a 35 yard throw. I think that was the right choice to make and more importantly had you missed there probably wasn't a turnover there.

It was only Schoon and linebacker. I will take those odds anyday.
 

MapleLeaf

Maple Leaf
Messages
5,255
Reaction score
1,643
Schoonmaker was covered and didn't get a step on the LB until late. By that time, Dak had already thrown it to CeeDee who had a step on his defender.
Watch the video at the eight second mark. Schoon was behid the guy a full second before Dak released the ball. In the league that is called open.

Schoon's spacing is no worse than Lamb's spacing. The robber safety drifting towards the right side of the field is the primary indication that Dak should have looked left.

There was lots of time given by our o-line. They did a great job here. Dak made a bad play to the side of the field where there were three Saint defenders.

All NFL QBs do this from time to time. It doesn't make it right. Dak made a bad choice here.
 

MapleLeaf

Maple Leaf
Messages
5,255
Reaction score
1,643
At the beginning of 8 seconds, he hasn't thrown the ball.
He finished his step back and decides to throw it to the guy he's been watching the entire way.
CDL was open, but the defense is reading Dak's eyes and they made a play on the ball.

The above doesn't change Schoon was open. The LB just misplayed the coverage. Not like the LB made Schoon open due to the pass. He's watching Schoon the entire way and starts to chase once he realizes he's beat.
I think the problem is people are not understanding why a coordinator writes up a trips or 3x1 play.

A trips plays keys on the safeties. If they bite on the trips backside of the trips is in a single coverage situation.

If they don't bite on the trips formation then you have three single coverage situations in a convoluted mess that should get someone open.

IF THE SAFETY SHIFTS TO THE TRIPS SIDE YOU HAVE MAN COVERAGE TO THE BACKSIDE. YOU GET A JOB IN THE NFL AS A COORDINATOR BECAUSE YOU CAN SCHEME SINGLE COVERAGE FOR YOUR QB!!!

There is not much else you can do if the right choice isn't made.
 

MapleLeaf

Maple Leaf
Messages
5,255
Reaction score
1,643
Dak should have led him further down field as opposed to try to throw hard in there....
With the robber safety sliding along the 35 and looking directly at Dak;s eyes I would not throw a ball into awindow where three Saints are in the area on two receivers.

That is poor offensive football. Go to single coverage. If you miss it more than likely the ball hits the ground and you have another play. Throw to favourable matchups, not by player name, but by numbers.
 

America's Cowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,718
Reaction score
51,245
Watch the video at the eight second mark. Schoon was behid the guy a full second before Dak released the ball. In the league that is called open.

Schoon's spacing is no worse than Lamb's spacing. The robber safety drifting towards the right side of the field is the primary indication that Dak should have looked left.

There was lots of time given by our o-line. They did a great job here. Dak made a bad play to the side of the field where there were three Saint defenders.

All NFL QBs do this from time to time. It doesn't make it right. Dak made a bad choice here.
Baloney. There were no 3 defenders. Mathieu simply took a risk, guessed correctly, sprinted over and made a great play. It happens. It's called football.
 

MapleLeaf

Maple Leaf
Messages
5,255
Reaction score
1,643
Baloney. There were no 3 defenders. Mathieu simply took a risk, guessed correctly, sprinted over and made a great play. It happens. It's called football.
I have to politely disagree. From what I was taught from years of playing and then coaching is there is a reason to call Trips in a 3 by 1.

What you have to watch for in trips is the defence reacting with what they call a robber concept. Showing one thing then sneaking to another coverage. Which is what Mathieu did.

He saw the 3 by 1. Everyone did including the fans. Mathieu showed the balanced formation by lining up on Dak's left, and he knew the Trips was to his left and he waited on Dak's eyes and took off when his instinct said to go.

The problem was the o-line did a good job and Mathieu couldn't diguise his direction any longer and he shifted over at the 7 second mark.

Apologies I missed another cue. At the seven second mark Dak is lined up with the left hash. Mathieu is almost on top of the left hash right in his field of vision already moving to Dak's right. The line has three yards of protection as a buffer for Dak. Dak has time to peek over to his left knowing that Tyrann was already moving to his (Dak's) right.

I suggest anyone who wants to know the concepts around trips and robber safety to search the internet. The trips formation is a very basic play in football that us used all the way donw to peewee football. It is designed to see how a defence will react to an imbalanced field and at more advanced levels it identifies the "robber" safety.

This concept is no different than doing a "Hi-Lo". You are forcing defender to make a choice, and get the favorable coverage. The right zone and the right coverage is single coverage with no other defender in the area. If Schoon and Dak connect this play is a possible housecall. If Dak overthrows him it is incomplete. There is no other defender there.
 

nalam

The realist
Messages
11,946
Reaction score
7,196


You mean Dak just focused on one read and that is Lamb. What a surprise…. I said it against GB, you focus on taking away Lamb, Dak is completely lost.

Dak is basically set on going to Lamb on the get go, but the guy he’s actually looking at first, at the bottom of the screen, is in single coverage and is basically wide open..

This is exactly i pointed out From the GB game, Dak never even looks at the other direction, if he looks right , he sticks with right, if he looks left he is never looking right.
i dont know what is going on,
 

Kevinicus

Well-Known Member
Messages
19,918
Reaction score
12,707
Here. Learn how to read a play correctly. Something many of you fail to do...

Post in thread 'Et Tu Sturm' https://cowboyszone.com/threads/et-tu-sturm.527288/post-13728886

Post in thread 'Et Tu Sturm' https://cowboyszone.com/threads/et-tu-sturm.527288/post-13728902
I'm not sure what posting someone else's terrible diagnosis of a play proves.

When Schoon is at the 35, he is already passing the defender. That defender is facing towards the sideline. Not even in trail position.
Schoon is open by a mile at that point if you have a clue at all.

Similar, but different dynamics, involving Turpin. If you understand momentum, which direction players are going, etc., it's easy to see.
Lamb POSSIBLY could have been an option if Dak doesn't add an extra hitch to his throw and make it late.
 

America's Cowboy

Well-Known Member
Messages
37,718
Reaction score
51,245
I'm not sure what posting someone else's terrible diagnosis of a play proves.

When Schoon is at the 35, he is already passing the defender. That defender is facing towards the sideline. Not even in trail position.
Schoon is open by a mile at that point if you have a clue at all.

Similar, but different dynamics, involving Turpin. If you understand momentum, which direction players are going, etc., it's easy to see.
Lamb POSSIBLY could have been an option if Dak doesn't add an extra hitch to his throw and make it late.
Anyone with common sense can understand Dak was going through his progressions right away. Schoonmaker was covered early. Dak likely looked him off from his left view side and decided to throw to CeeDee coming from his right side.
 
Top