Ex NFL Coach & GM - Cowboys Easy Choice Is Adrian Peterson

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That fails? lol sorry you don't understand that a guy getting fewer carries will tend to have an higher YPC it is not a secret to most but I guess no one told you. lol

Sorry lol I lol don't lol understand lol speculation lol. Only lol what lol the lol facts lol show.

No player is irreplaceable and if you want to go by the stats which seems good enough for you when you are making a point like how great Randle did, then those stats say Murray was the best 480 better than the next guy but of course that stats is not suite you

My point is about how well the offensive line did for all of the running backs, not just Murray. The stats show that it wasn't just Murray who did well running behind this line. In fact, Murray led the league in yards before anyone touched him. That's the line doing that, not the running back.
 

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Chasing Peterson makes sense if he is willing to play for far less than he made previously and on a short-term deal to finish his career as a Cowboy and back in Texas.

Murray knows the offense and is proven in the system and in the locker room. We chase him til someone money whips him and we have to walk away.

You can't just be good one one side of the ball. You can have a good defense and an elite QB. Or a really good defense and an offense that is good in one area.
Or a great offense that is only good versus the run or pass but you can't be a dog on defense or a dog on offense and win it all.

If Dallas HAS to draft OL at 27 that will be a bad scenario but they have to keep all options open. 27 is too far down the draft to target any position.
But that would be far less than ideal for team build. It'd be smarter to select a walk in starter and cheap for four years RB than to use it on an OL... but defense has to be the preference by far if talent is equitable.

Totally agree.

The panel's opinions were given just in evaluation of the starting RB options. While it's possible that right deal for AP vs Murray may come our way, I don't think the relative value and ROI for that move will be favorable enough to pull the trigger. JJ is in perpetual search mode for the formula for winning championships, and he really doesn't want to to risk any backward steps. Look for our draft and FA moves to follow that philosophy, rather than going for star power.
 

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No! No triplets! It was great and all during the 90s, but the path to a championship now is built through depth and solid defensive play.

No mega contract for Dez, no mega contract for Peterson, no mega contract for Murray (although I'd like to keep him since I feel he's more valuable to this team than Dez) and no putting all of our eggs in one basket...

Murray more valuable than Dez?

You're crazy.
 

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Sorry lol I lol don't lol understand lol speculation lol. Only lol what lol the lol facts lol show.



My point is about how well the offensive line did for all of the running backs, not just Murray. The stats show that it wasn't just Murray who did well running behind this line. In fact, Murray led the league in yards before anyone touched him. That's the line doing that, not the running back.

well then go by your logic Dallas should be trying to go after FB Jorvorskie Lane since he avg 19.3 YPC
 

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Totally agree.

The panel's opinions were given just in evaluation of the starting RB options. While it's possible that right deal for AP vs Murray may come our way, I don't think the relative value and ROI for that move will be favorable enough to pull the trigger. JJ is in perpetual search mode for the formula for winning championships, and he really doesn't want to to risk any backward steps. Look for our draft and FA moves to follow that philosophy, rather than going for star power.

I think AD is a player they'd be willing to overpay by as much as a few million/year if they thought they could absorb that premium as they go. I don't think they'd be dumb enough to hostage their own cap for a 30 yo FA RB, no matter how great he is. What I don't know is what the market might be for AD. I think his two most-likely options are, in this order, 1. refuse a pay cut in order to take a deal in Dallas if and only if the number he privately gets from us is acceptable to him 2. If that number is not close, renegotiate in MIN and finish his career there. I guess he could force his release and see what the other 30 teams might do if he had some sense from his agent that there was enough money out there and interested, but with the way things are going to be timed, I think that's pretty unlikely. Maybe a team like SEA would be interesting to him of Lynch were to actually retire, but I think that's lip-service on Lynch's part, too.
 

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Yeah. More reductio ad absurdum. When all logic fails you, go for the ridiculous.


As is your throwing out the crap about Randle having more YPC when he avg 3.1 carries a game vs 24 Carries a game by Murray. Sure his YPC will be greater he is not getting near the touches and those YPC drop pretty significantly when you are having to carry the load. Not that hard to figure out but evidently for you it is or else you would not be throwing up Randle carry as some legit comparison.
Talk about failed logic yours clearly is since if you want to put Randle into the conversation
 

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well then go by your logic Dallas should be trying to go after FB Jorvorskie Lane since he avg 19.3 YPC

There's always love for backups. And then the tape catches up to them and defensive coordinators adjust, or the hits pile up and they have a gut check. There's no getting around that. It's definitely an unknown..
It's also an unknown which Demarco Murray you get after last year's carries and a contract extension are taken into account. Personally, I'm thinking we'd be looking at about 85% of the production we got last year, declining from there. For me, that's just based on his age and his carries. There's a number I'd be willing to pay for that, but it's not a big number. Otherwise, I obviously love the player.

So the question for me is, would Randle or Williams be as good or nearly as good as 85% of 2014 Murray? The answer is 'probably not. Maybe nearly as good, but that's still iffy.' Peterson, I think would be an upgrade over 2014 Murray, straight up. That's based on what I've seen of the defenses he's run against the last few years with the rest of that MIN offense around him. Problem for me is, all that said, I still don't care very much how effective a RB is. I want a guy who can pass protect and hold onto the football. And then I want us to spend money making it hard to pass against a bad defense. So, while there's a number for a player like Peterson, and I would make an exception for him for his age and salary, there are limits to what I think is reasonable.

Honestly, the option of picking up a Tevin Coleman or a David Cobb in rounds 2-4 and rolling with a committee is just fine by me. About the only thing I don't want to do is overcommit a ton of cap space that we'll be dealing with in future years when it comes time to sign Frederick or Martin. It's one thing to hit on your first round picks. Another entirely if you can't afford to keep the ones that pan out.
 

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There's always love for backups. And then the tape catches up to them and defensive coordinators adjust, or the hits pile up and they have a gut check. There's no getting around that. It's definitely an unknown..
It's also an unknown which Demarco Murray you get after last year's carries and a contract extension are taken into account. Personally, I'm thinking we'd be looking at about 85% of the production we got last year, declining from there. For me, that's just based on his age and his carries. There's a number I'd be willing to pay for that, but it's not a big number. Otherwise, I obviously love the player.

So the question for me is, would Randle or Williams be as good or nearly as good as 85% of 2014 Murray? The answer is 'probably not. Maybe nearly as good, but that's still iffy.' Peterson, I think would be an upgrade over 2014 Murray, straight up. That's based on what I've seen of the defenses he's run against the last few years with the rest of that MIN offense around him. Problem for me is, all that said, I still don't care very much how effective a RB is. I want a guy who can pass protect and hold onto the football. And then I want us to spend money making it hard to pass against a bad defense. So, while there's a number for a player like Peterson, and I would make an exception for him for his age and salary, there are limits to what I think is reasonable.

Honestly, the option of picking up a Tevin Coleman or a David Cobb in rounds 2-4 and rolling with a committee is just fine by me. About the only thing I don't want to do is overcommit a ton of cap space that we'll be dealing with in future years when it comes time to sign Frederick or Martin. It's one thing to hit on your first round picks. Another entirely if you can't afford to keep the ones that pan out.

I don't expect any RB to get 1,800 plus yards a season when no one has ever done including Peterson. I know your view on the RB and running game is much different than mine. As for RB by committee I don't think it is as effective
 

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I don't expect any RB to get 1,800 plus yards a season when no one has ever done including Peterson. I know your view on the RB and running game is much different than mine. As for RB by committee I don't think it is as effective

Committee is definitely not as effective. Other than cost-effective. Give me an edge rusher over any of these options, though, if it's a choice between the two.
 

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The reason you don't remember is they were not in key moments.

Well, between '90 and '94, he had a total of three fumbles lost over five seasons, and all of those were in the 92-93 seasons. So that's where I had that impression. Then in 1995 he lost 6. We lost four games that year, and two of the fumbles lost were in close division losses, so they probably played a factor. That was the year he set the franchise record for rushing yardage and had 25 TDs, so, we probably weren't picking nits. Also, there was no internet yet.
 

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Committee hurts me in fantasy football. Im not sure its a problem otherwise.
 

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Well, between '90 and '94, he had a total of three fumbles lost over five seasons, and all of those were in the 92-93 seasons. So that's where I had that impression. Then in 1995 he lost 6. We lost four games that year, and two of the fumbles lost were in close division losses, so they probably played a factor. That was the year he set the franchise record for rushing yardage and had 25 TDs, so, we probably weren't picking nits. Also, there was no internet yet.

I remember those fumbles but that man put those teams on his back for 5 straight years. Irvin was the soul, Emmitt was the heart, and Troy was the voice. Comparing Emmitt and Murray is just pointless. Yes Murray had a great year is a great team mate but as many have mentioned when Emmitt ran I was never concerned the ball was coming out with Murray I live at the edge of my seat when he carries the ball. The thing about Emmitt I don't remember is him putting the ball on the ground when the game was on the line. I guess I could go put all the tapes in the vcr but all I am going to see is how great those teams were back then. Mistakes happen in every game the difference between last year's team and those teams is those teams still won it all. Let's hope next years team is ready to take that next step!
 

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It's simple for an ex coach and GM to say Peterson is the easy choice when it's not coming out of their pocket.
Candidly, neither Peterson nor Murray is likely to be an easy choice, in view of the problems Dallas is certain to face in resigning many of their veteran free agents. There's no question but what money will play a crucial role in deciding what course is to be taken in resolving that dilemma.

I wouldn't relish being the one having to decide on a solution, although it seems to me the draft might prove to be the easiest financial route to take in the longrun. I can't help but seriously doubt Murray will be willing to sign for what the Cowboys' front office might possibly be willing to offer. Much the same could be said for AP. The realistic chances of signing him is nothing more than fantasy and a pipe dream in my humble estimation.
 

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As is your throwing out the crap about Randle having more YPC when he avg 3.1 carries a game vs 24 Carries a game by Murray. Sure his YPC will be greater he is not getting near the touches and those YPC drop pretty significantly when you are having to carry the load. Not that hard to figure out but evidently for you it is or else you would not be throwing up Randle carry as some legit comparison.

It's the most legit comparison you're going to get based on running behind the same offensive line. And it's not like the guy simply had one carry and 'got lucky'. It's the most factual information entered into the conversation. Sorry if the truth hurts.


Talk about failed logic yours clearly is since if you want to put Randle into the conversation

It's the only fact submitted to the argument.

Again, sorry if it hurts.
 

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Sorry lol I lol don't lol understand lol speculation lol. Only lol what lol the lol facts lol show.

I must say, stash, the above had me :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:. I had to stifle my laughter because I'm at work, but I was literally on the verge of crying. I don't know why it was so funny, but it was. Thanks.
 

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I must say, stash, the above had me :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:. I had to stifle my laughter because I'm at work, but I was literally on the verge of crying. I don't know why it was so funny, but it was. Thanks.

Glad I could make your day a bit better!

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The latest bit of news from PFT:

Kevin Warren promotion could seal Adrian Peterson’s fate in Minnesota

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ould-seal-adrian-petersons-fate-in-minnesota/


In November, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported that Peterson specifically was referring to Warren when Peterson said that someone in the organization was working against Peterson. With Warren assuming a greater role and higher profile in the organization, it may become even harder for coach Mike Zimmer to persuade Peterson to choose to stay.
 
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