Ex NFL Coach & GM - Cowboys Easy Choice Is Adrian Peterson

[Manwiththeplan]

None that I can see. The Vikings signed him to a ridiculous contract in an era where everyone is bringing running back salaries down.

Nobody else will touch that deal.

So there's a zero percent possibility that a new deal could be worked it as part of the trade?

 

[Doomsday101]

If it's 'funny', why do you care? Why post on a subject so 'funny'? Seems hypocritical.



I think you're projecting here. I'm not chasing Murray away. Quite the opposite. I'm fine with bringing him back for a reasonable price and I'm not interested in overpaying for either of them. Our line makes the running game go, not the running back.

Then we can stay with Randle and Dunbar after all it is the OL nothing more than that. BS Same crap was said about Emmitt "it is the OL" the RB matters quit a bit

 

[Stash]

I don't think they are close to championship with or without him, but that really isn't the issue. If it was, I guess the Texan should cut JJ Watt so we can have him to? The issue is, is he worth the cap hit and I'd argue yes. He's still the best RB in the league and single handedly carries the offense when he plays. Could they do better with that cap space? I'd argue no, since they have plenty and there isn't an offensive player that will hit the market who is better.

But JJ Watt is only 25 years old? I think he's got many more years left and is therefore a building block for the present and future. And you're assuming that they would simply spend that $15 million on one player? Heck, they could sign 5-6 guys to help improve the team for that cost.

Now I would ask you, what incentive is there for Minnesota to release him prior to the draft, if a.) his salary isn't guaranteed, b.) they have enough cap space to do what ever they want, c.) they want him back

Again, to have the cap space. If they know they're not paying him $15 million, they're going to cut him at some point. Why lock up that cap space until after all of the premium free agents have already signed elsewhere?

 

[Idgit]

No! No triplets! It was great and all during the 90s, but the path to a championship now is built through depth and solid defensive play.

No mega contract for Dez, no mega contract for Peterson, no mega contract for Murray (although I'd like to keep him since I feel he's more valuable to this team than Dez) and no putting all of our eggs in one basket...

Meh. Dez is getting his deal no matter what. He's a legit young superstar, and those get paid in the NFL. The fact that we seem to be playing hardball there I'm taking as a good sign the megadeal we ultimately give him will at least have some of the air squeezed out of it.

Any deal for Peterson would have to be year-to-year. Or a two year deal with a third year club option. With high base salaries. Otherwise don't do it. That said, you know they'd love to market the Triplets again. Not just in Dallas. It'd be a league wide thing the whole regular season. We'd start to hate it by week 6.

On a related note, on The Break, or whatever it's called in the offseason here, Steve Dennis indicated that he had a source (unnamed, of course) in the Cowboys organization who indicated to him that they're sure Peterson is going to hit the market. I know, I know. Unnamed. Dennis. Grains and grains of salt. Just passing the tidbit along because it's worth talking about.
Whatever else is the case, talking about our options at RB is going to be a major pastime for us this offseason. We might as well enjoy ourselves with the speculation.

 

[Stash]

So there's a zero percent possibility that a new deal could be worked it as part of the trade?

Why trade for a guy you know will be cut? DeSean Jackson was on the outs in Philadelphia and the Eagles couldn't get even a 7th round pick for him. Why? Because teams weren't about to give up anything for a guy they know will be cut.

To say nothing of the fact that why would Peterson agree to be traded anywhere he doesn't want to go? Why would he give up his desire to play in Texas if he can simply refuse until he's released?

 

[Stash]

Then we can stay with Randle and Dunbar after all it is the OL nothing more than that. BS Same crap was said about Emmitt "it is the OL" the RB matters quit a bit

As I recall, Randle had a better yards per carry than Murray did and was just fine with the carries he got.

And I would gladly take my chances with Randle, Williams and whoever else they keep before I'd pay Murray more than $5 million.

 

[Idgit]

Then we can stay with Randle and Dunbar after all it is the OL nothing more than that. BS Same crap was said about Emmitt "it is the OL" the RB matters quit a bit

Emmitt never fumbled, never got hurt, and did it for many seasons, including Superbowl seasons, before he got to an age where we let him walk, too. Murray is a really good all-around back, but you don't have him in Smith's category yet, do you?

 

[Doomsday101]

Emmitt never fumbled, never got hurt, and did it for many seasons, including Superbowl seasons, before he got to an age where we let him walk, too. Murray is a really good all-around back, but you don't have him in Smith's category yet, do you?

No do not put guys still in the prime of their career in the same category as a HOF RB who is done playing. Emmitt had 6 season where he actually did have as many Fumbles as Murray did this past season

 

[Tabascocat]

As I recall, Randle had a better yards per carry than Murray did and was just fine with the carries he got.

And I would gladly take my chances with Randle, Williams and whoever else they keep before I'd pay Murray more than $5 million.

Randle only had 51 carries this season. 51 carries! He was as fresh at the end of the season as he was to start it. IMO, he can not be the work-horse that Murray was.

Dallas needs an every down back and there is not one on the roster ATM, insert either Murray or Peterson.

Work on re-signing DeMarco to a fair deal and if it doesn't pan out, focus on obtaining that bruiser through FA or the draft. If we can't resign Murray and AP does get released, go grab him.

 

[jterrell]

so there is no chance that by holding him they can entice a team to give them a draft pick for him?

No, there really isn't.
Because no team is taking on that contract.
And from an AP stand point his agent has zero reason to restructure the deal downwards to accept a trade that benefits Minny and Minny alone.

I believe we will see AP work out from his home in Texas and never even set foot in Minnesota again.

 

[Stash]

Randle only had 51 carries this season. 51 carries! He was as fresh at the end of the season as he was to start it. IMO, he can not be the work-horse that Murray was.

While we can't know for sure, I tend to agree with you. But the fact is that the guy was not only as productive as the starter, but even more so when given his opportunities.

Dallas needs an every down back and there is not one on the roster ATM, insert either Murray or Peterson.

While it would be nice, I'm not sure it is a 'must have' to the point of overpaying anyone.

Work on re-signing DeMarco to a fair deal and if it doesn't pan out, focus on obtaining that bruiser through FA or the draft. If we can't resign Murray and AP does get released, go grab him.

Agreed.

 

[Doomsday101]

As I recall, Randle had a better yards per carry than Murray did and was just fine with the carries he got.

And I would gladly take my chances with Randle, Williams and whoever else they keep before I'd pay Murray more than $5 million.

Amazing how YPC look good when you only get a few carries, kind of like what was said about Hambrick when he was behind Emmitt, his YPC looked good until he was asked to carry more of the load and those number shot down hill.

 

[Idgit]

No do not put guys still in the prime of their career in the same category as a HOF RB who is done playing. Emmitt had 6 season where he actually did have as many Fumbles as Murray did this past season

Wow. I hadn't realized Emmitt put the ball on the ground 7 times during that 95 season. I take that back.

 

[Stash]

Amazing how YPC look good when you only get a few carries, kind of like what was said about Hambrick when he was behind Emmitt, his YPC looked good until he was asked to carry more of the load and those number shot down hill.

It's the only fact in the entire conversation. The fact is that Randle had not only as good a yards per carry/TD average, but a better one.

So Murray did great running behind this line. And Randle did even better.

An inconvenient truth.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wow. I hadn't realized Emmitt put the ball on the ground 7 times during that 95 season. I take that back.

We tend to remember great players only for great things not for the not so great moments.

 

[Tabascocat]

Wow. I hadn't realized Emmitt put the ball on the ground 7 times during that 95 season. I take that back.

Because those footballs were inflated to the league max.......yeah, that's it!

 

[Doomsday101]

It's the only fact in the entire conversation. The fact is that Randle had not only as good a yards per carry/TD average, but a better one.

So Murray did great running behind this line. And Randle did even better.

An inconvenient truth.

and again sure you get a few carries and your YPC can look very good when you are asked to carry the load those numbers will not be as high. Randle 2014 season YPC are better than Barry Sanders I guess that makes him better. lol

Yes Murray like many top RB who have posted great numbers did so behind a very good OL, Tony Romo put up one of his best season ever behind a very good OL but does not diminish his own accomplishments.

 

[Stash]

and again sure you get a few carries and your YPC can look very good when you are asked to carry the load those numbers will not be as high. Randle 2014 season YPC are better than Barry Sanders I guess that makes him better. lol

Reductio ad absurdum. Fail.

Yes Murray like many top RB who have posted great numbers did so behind a very good OL, Tony Romo put up one of his best season ever behind a very good OL but does not diminish his own accomplishments.

Doesn't make him the best in the league and irreplaceable either.

 

[Doomsday101]

Reductio ad absurdum. Fail.



Doesn't make him the best in the league and irreplaceable either.

That fails? lol sorry you don't understand that a guy getting fewer carries will tend to have an higher YPC it is not a secret to most but I guess no one told you. lol

No player is irreplaceable and if you want to go by the stats which seems good enough for you when you are making a point like how great Randle did, then those stats say Murray was the best 480 better than the next guy but of course that stats is not suite you

 

[Idgit]

We tend to remember great players only for great things not for the not so great moments.

It's more that I remember the commentary during games about how durable he was, how good at blocking, and how he never fumbled. But looking at the data, those comments were probably coming out in the 92, 93 seasons. Prior to that, he was pretty dependable with the ball.

I was just surprised at that 7 number in 95. That's a lot. As much as I hate RBs who put the ball on the ground, ever, I would have thought that would have stuck with me, but I don't remember it being an issue at all.