Twitter: Extensions being discussed for Linehan and Marinelli?

[Texas_Pete]

What are your thoughts Zoners?

 

[Alexander]

Linehan, yes. Marinelli, I would really prefer not unless this is to avoid a lame duck season.

 

[Stash]

After his late-season playcalling, I wouldn't be giving Linehan an extension.

 

[Maverick84]

in Marinelli's case, I hope it's the "viagra" kind of extension

 

[Direwolf63]

After his late-season playcalling, I wouldn't be giving Linehan an extension.

So do you think an extension should be based on a single game or his entire body of work since he arrived?

 

[negativecreep]

Very good news, imo.

 

[Stash]

So do you think an extension should be based on a single game or his entire body of work since he arrived?

I think an extension should be earned, and not given.

I'll ask you, how many coordinators could have succeeded given the offensive talent that Linehan had to work with? How truly difficult was his job? How many offenses around the league had the sheer talent that Dallas did?

 

[Direwolf63]

I think an extension should be earned, and not given.

I'll ask you, how many coordinators could have succeeded given the offensive talent that Linehan had to work with? How truly difficult was his job? How many offenses around the league had the sheer talent that Dallas did?

Ah yes. The Jerry Jones argument.

Any one of 500 coaches could have coached this offense. I don't believe this to be true personally.

If the stories are true that it was Linehan that really wanted Prescott last year, should he get credit for that?

 

[Alexander]

I think an extension should be earned, and not given.

I'll ask you, how many coordinators could have succeeded given the offensive talent that Linehan had to work with? How truly difficult was his job? How many offenses around the league had the sheer talent that Dallas did?

This could be countered easily with how many OCs win thirteen games with a rookie QB?

As for the playcalling, Shanahan's kid had bad playcalls that cost them the SB and that did not tarnish his reputation.

 

[CATCH17]

I've gave up on our coaches ever being real difference makers.


With that said I thought they did a fine job this past season.

Im starting to think that Bill Belichick is the only coach in this league that has a clue what he is doing,

 

[DCBoysfan]

I don't have a problem with this, most of the good teams try to keep continuity of its coaches.

 

[Stash]

Ah yes. The Jerry Jones argument.

Any one of 500 coaches could have coached this offense.

I'll ask again, what offensive coordinator had more overall talent to work with?

If the stories are true that it was Linehan that really wanted Prescott last year, should he get credit for that?

Does that "credit" include a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card for life? I know it's great to automatically assume that the guys who couldn't get out of their own way at QB in 2015 suddenly get all credit for Dak Prescott, but a good deal of credit goes to the player himself.

But I'm fine with giving Linehan credit for "wanting Prescott", but I also blame him for getting pass-happy and getting away from Elliott and the running game. It's possible to do both.

 

[Stash]

This could be countered easily with how many OCs win thirteen games with a rookie QB?

So surrounding talent only works when it's used to minimize Prescott's performance, is that it?

The guy had a steak on every plate for his offense and the best line in the league, by far. It would take work to screw that up. Like getting pass happy.

As for the playcalling, Shanahan's kid had bad playcalls that cost them the SB and that did not tarnish his reputation.

Sure as hell didn't help it any, did it? And we all know he had the SF job before the Super Bowl was ever played.

 

[Alexander]

So surrounding talent only works when it's used to minimize Prescott's performance, is that it?

The guy had a steak on every plate for his offense and the best line in the league, by far. It would take work to screw that up. Like getting pass happy.

Shanahan had weapons like Ryan, Freeman, Julio Jones etc. and he did the same thing and lost a Super Bowl after getting a 21 point lead. I guess the 49ers were fools for hiring him as head coach? Had our toothless defense not spotted Green Bay a nice lead, there is no way Dallas would pass as much as they did.

 

[NeonNinja]

Not that excited over this news. We have to get more talent on defense. Every offense knows exactly what he's going to do.

 

[Stash]

Shanahan had weapons like Ryan, Freeman, Julio Jones etc. and he did the same thing and lost a Super Bowl after getting a 21 point lead.

Exactly right. You prove my point. Thanks.

I guess the 49ers were fools for hiring him as head coach?

That remains to be seen, doesn't it?

Had our toothless defense not spotted Green Bay a nice lead, there is no way Dallas would pass as much as they did.

Feel free to go back and look at the playcalling for yourself. He was pass-happy from the first series of the game, at 0-0. Trying to use that as an excuse for him him is inaccurate.

 

[Alexander]

Exactly right. You prove my point. Thanks. .

I proved your point how? You are the one saying he had steaks on every plate. Shanahan had two good backs, superior QB, superior number 1 WR. So you are saying the tipping point is the OL? The one with Doug Free who people feel is complete garbage?

Had Linehan repeatedly gone pass crazy with a big lead (like Garrett has in the past), I could see where you are coming from.

He's not the best OC in the league, but to pretend he is just terrible is silly.

It is not like we are talking about Jason Garrett when he was an OC.

 

[AmishCowboy]

I think they both deserve extensions

 

[Stash]

I proved your point how? You are the one saying he had steaks on every plate. Shanahan had two good backs, superior QB, superior number 1 WR. So you are saying the tipping point is the OL? The one with Doug Free who people feel is complete garbage?

The point where you bring up another offensive coordinator - who also got pass-happy - and how it also cost his team a win, in an even bigger game. Is this point really eluding you?

Had Linehan repeatedly gone pass crazy with a big lead (like Garrett has in the past), I could see where you are coming from.

He has. It's not a new description or indictment of either coach. Look into it. Both have a history, and although both have done a much better job of resisting temptation, when it really counted, and things get tough, they revert back to who they are.

He's not the best OC in the league, but to pretend he is just terrible is silly.

Show me where I said that and we'll talk about it. What's "silly" is trying to refer to extreme points that someone else never made.

It is not like we are talking about Jason Garrett when he was an OC.

They're birds of a feather, cut from the same cloth. When the going gets tough, they get pass happy.

 

[Direwolf63]

I'll ask again, what offensive coordinator had more overall talent to work with?

Very few.

So with that talent he won 13 games with a rookie QB. Virtually unprecedented in NFL history. And his playcalling scored 31 points in the playoffs which should be enough to win any game. You can nit pick the calls all you want, but 31 points is still 31 points.

Does that "credit" include a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card for life? I know it's great to automatically assume that the guys who couldn't get out of their own way at QB in 2015 suddenly get all credit for Dak Prescott, but a good deal of credit goes to the player himself.

But I'm fine with giving Linehan credit for "wanting Prescott", but I also blame him for getting pass-happy and getting away from Elliott and the running game. It's possible to do both.

I'm fine with doing both too. And I'm OK with getting rid of him if there is a compelling reason to do so. I'm just not sure that a play call here or there in a game where they scored 31 points is enough. But I can be convinced. I don't see it just yet.