Falcons release Mike Vick

[The Quest for Six]

so basically his creditors should also be punished for his mistakes?

Sorry, but I won't ever agree with that.

and the pedophilia thing is out of line, no way to explain it will change that.

The two things are horrible but completely unrelated. and in completely different universes in so much as one being worse than the other.

I never said anything about the creditors having to take a lose too, that's just a fact, he's going through bankrupty... he still has money from his pro-rated signing bonus that was ruled he didn't have to return..You seem to think he has a right to get back in the league because he owes money....that's ridiculous

There are many people in this country that think Pedophiles have a disease and they should be treated as a disease and not a criminal offense, where have you been!!!

I believe one is worse than the other, but I guarantee you that there are alot of people offended in this country that attend football games by how the dogs were treated by Vick than how a child was treated by a pedophile.... animal rights activists in this country is very radical about animal abuse...what ever team that would be stupid enought to sign VICK, deserves all the protests, outraged fans and lost sponsorship they will incur

 

[burmafrd]

This whole CULTURE BS is just that. Some african cultures feature female mutilation. They don't deserve any respect and any culture that condones that kindof treatment of animals deserves NO RESPECT. Plenty of kids make it out of the projects and ghetto's and make good citizens. VICK is a POS that tortured helpless animals for at least FIVE YEARS.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If Leonard Little can continue to play in the NFL, I see know reason why Michael Vick can't be allowed to play either.

Personally, I believe the Commissioner will not let Michael Vick play football in the NFL again.

If the opposite were true, if he could help our team out (generally speaking from any fans point of view), I could look past his past endeavors but he would have to earn my respect.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

This whole CULTURE BS is just that. Some african cultures feature female mutilation. They don't deserve any respect and any culture that condones that kindof treatment of animals deserves NO RESPECT. Plenty of kids make it out of the projects and ghetto's and make good citizens. VICK is a POS that tortured helpless animals for at least FIVE YEARS.

 

[MWILL]

Or have a conscience.

or really sensitive.

 

[Four]

some african cultures practice female circumcision, it is ten times worse than it sounds too.

This isn't the place to describe it though, it's scary and barbaric stuff.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

some african cultures practice female circumcision, it is ten times worse than it sounds too.

This isn't the place to describe it though, it's scary and barbaric stuff.

What does that have to do with Michael Vick and dog fighting?

 

[Four]

What does that have to do with Michael Vick and dog fighting?

I guess someone said it was a cultural thing that Vick was okay with the dog fighting thing?

I have heard that argument before, though I hadn't noticed it in this thread.

 

[DFWJC]

Most people held the same views about OJ Simpson and Jeffrey Dahmer.

Let's not go that far.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Most people held the same views about OJ Simpson and Jeffrey Dahmer.

Let's see. OJ killed two people.

Dahmer? Killed and snacked on 17 people.

Vick? Financed and killed dogs as part of a ring.

Yup, alot of equivalency there . . .

 

[BrassCowboy]

I'm not so sure you will see the public protest your are anticipating should he play for an nfl team. IMO he should be allowed to play if a team is willing to sign him. He has paid the price for what he has done. I agree he has been out for awhile and he was never a great QB but he is a phenomenal athlete. I feel he will find his way back into this league.

So if I worked for GE, and I robbed a bank, GE fired me in the process, and I go to jail and serve my time. Does GE have an obligation to rehire me because I did my time?

Are banks responsible for hiring ex-cons?

Sorry, but if you commit the crime, the repercussions do not end with your jail sentence. Get over it!!!!

Honestly and do not take this too harshly, but only a dumb person would feel otherwise.

There are jobs out there for Michael Vick. I am sure he can do volunteer work for PETA, write a book, whatever....

 

[BrassCowboy]

I never said he has a right to play in the NFL but he has an obligation to pay his debts and him being in the NFL will make that feasible.

there is no reason he shouldn't be allowed back.

So what? we all have obligations to pay debts. I do not piss in my boss' coffee like I want to, that is why I still have a job. Maybe Vick should of thought of that BEFORE he got himself involved in crime.

When we make choices in life, it does not always affect just one thing, but alot of things....

You argue the right of him to repay his debts, there is plenty of other work out there that he could be doing to do just that. If the NFL locks him out (like most companies would do and do), then he has to go somewhere else.

It is honestly idiotic to think a company would not lock an employee from ever being hired by that company after former employee committed a crime like Vick did.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

might be your opinion, but it isnt one I share

he doesnt deserve jack...in fact his lousy rear end should still be in their doing time

he's human garbage, period

I still laugh at tripe like this. I can understand this about someone like Carruth but they are friggin dogs.

1) He has paid his dues. He was sentenced according to the laws of this great nation and has done nothing but live up to it.

2) He still has talent and contribute to an NFL team.

That should really end the discussion right there. I personally do not agree with the law but I respect the will of the people and the people have gotten their due.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So what? we all have obligations to pay debts. I do not piss in my boss' coffee like I want to, that is why I still have a job. Maybe Vick should of thought of that BEFORE he got himself involved in crime.

When we make choices in life, it does not always affect just one thing, but alot of things....

You argue the right of him to repay his debts, there is plenty of other work out there that he could be doing to do just that. If the NFL locks him out (like most companies would do and do), then he has to go somewhere else.

It is honestly idiotic to think a company would not lock an employee from ever being hired by that company after former employee committed a crime like Vick did.

When you're job choice has a labor poll of less that 1000 people that are qualified across the country then get back to me. The NFL is not most companies in any way shape or form.

I honestly laugh at the, 'my company would blackball me so should the NFL' argument. Vick can do things that only a fraction of a percentage point can do. Like it or not that is how it is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So if I worked for GE, and I robbed a bank, GE fired me in the process, and I go to jail and serve my time. Does GE have an obligation to rehire me because I did my time?

Are banks responsible for hiring ex-cons?

Sorry, but if you commit the crime, the repercussions do not end with your jail sentence. Get over it!!!!

Honestly and do not take this too harshly, but only a dumb person would feel otherwise.

There are jobs out there for Michael Vick. I am sure he can do volunteer work for PETA, write a book, whatever....

No but if you were a EE that could consistently lead design teams that generated profitable products then they very well might. The engineering job pool is shrinking and if not at GE that type of resume would get him work somewhere.

Dumb? I find it humorous that in a country where 'he who is free of sin cast the first stone' is a major tenant, people actually say this sort of thing.

So basically saying that I don't have the right to judge someone above and beyond the state is dumb?

That gets a big old

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This whole CULTURE BS is just that. Some african cultures feature female mutilation. They don't deserve any respect and any culture that condones that kindof treatment of animals deserves NO RESPECT. Plenty of kids make it out of the projects and ghetto's and make good citizens. VICK is a POS that tortured helpless animals for at least FIVE YEARS.

Sure and Caucasian came up with the holocaust. Lets just bring up the worst portion as if it proves anything.

I guess philipinos are evil cause they eat dog too.

See there is a difference between humans and animals. I just love people like you that will extend animal rights to dogs cats and horses and just screw the rest.

 

[DallasEast]

Two things:
<excerpted>
NFL Personal Conduct Policy link

All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League"...

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher...

Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances... Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

... Discipline may take the form of fines, suspension, or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement.

***

1. There isn't anything preventing the Commissioner from disciplining Michael Vick in the form of a suspension and/or banishment.

***

blacklist noun link

: a list of persons who are disapproved of or are to be punished or boycotted

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2. It is extremely and remotely improbable that all 32 NFL clubs will collude to prevent Vick from re-entering the league. That isn't even the issue.
The real issue is whether any team will find it necessary to offer him a roster spot. Yes, he is talented, but does his talent outweigh any team's particular roster need? That is the real question for Michael Vick IF he can get past any imposed league discipline.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Two things:
<excerpted>
NFL Personal Conduct Policy link

All persons associated with the NFL are required to avoid "conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League"...

While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher...

Persons who fail to live up to this standard of conduct are guilty of conduct detrimental and subject to discipline, even where the conduct itself does not result in conviction of a crime. Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances... Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.

... Discipline may take the form of fines, suspension, or banishment from the League and may include a probationary period and conditions that must be satisfied prior to or following reinstatement.

***

1. There isn't anything preventing the Commissioner from disciplining Michael Vick in the form of a suspension and/or banishment.

***

blacklist noun link

: a list of persons who are disapproved of or are to be punished or boycotted

***

2. It is extremely and remotely improbable that all 32 NFL clubs will collude to prevent Vick from re-entering the league. That isn't even the issue.
The real issue is whether any team will find it necessary to offer him a roster spot. Yes, he is talented, but does his talent outweigh any team's particular roster need? That is the real question for Michael Vick IF he can get past any imposed league discipline.

The clause that most important is the one a tthe end of the players contract.

'the commissioner will have the right, but only after giving the player an opportunity for hearing at which he may be represented by counsel of his choice, to fine player in a reasonable amount; suspend player for a time or indefinitely or terminate his contract.'

My favorite part is that the hearing is held by the commissioner. IOW, Goodell can do whatever he wants for whatever reason and the only person he has to answer to is himself. Every player has to sign it and Upshaw might as well given it up on a silver platter.

 

[dadymat]

Dude, go educate yourself on the facts. He did indeed take part in this. He wasnt a casual observer. I read the entire case cover to cover and the locals had even more detailed coverage on it than what was talked about nationally, it was sick.

He threw golden retriever puppies in with trained pit bulls to "warm them up"...he cruely punished or in some cases even destroyed dogs who didnt perform "up to par"...They had the guy cold on this, thats why he did time.

He's a sick POS.

WOW ....the righteous have taken center stage on this one......anyone who has eaten meat, gone fishing, gone hunting, supports the rodeo or circus is just as guilty of animal cruelty ...unless you think shooting a deer with an arrow watching it limp off for a hundred yards and fall just for the hunter to walk up and stab it in the throat, then throw it on an ATV string it upside down from a tree and gut and cut it into pieces to eat is perfectly humane......
for dog lovers it just strikes a nerve cause so many have family dogs.....but Vick is human and humans are more important than ANY animal...yes he broke the law ...he also did more time than most would have for the same crime because of his celebrity status....hes paid his debt ..now the righteous should leave him alone and go eat a hamburger..if they can find one that was killed in a humane way.......

 

[WoodysGirl]

Vick-To-Pats Theory Gaining Momentum
Posted by Mike Florio on June 12, 2009, 6:44 p.m.

There&#8217;s been a theory making the rounds in the media that the New England Patriots could be a perfect destination for former Falcons quarterback Mike Vick.

Previously, we&#8217;d brushed off such speculation, since we believe (and we&#8217;ve been told) that Vick will be looking for a place where he can compete for the starting quarterback job.

In New England, that wouldn&#8217;t be happening &#8212; barring another Tom Brady ACL eruption.

But we&#8217;re now hearing that there could be something to the chatter, primarily since it&#8217;s appearing more and more likely that Vick won&#8217;t have many/any options to compete for the every-down quarterback job in 2009.

Under those circumstances, sending Vick to New England for a year could help Vick position himself to become an attractive candidate for another team in 2010.

Of course, this would require coach Bill Belichick to be willing to sign Vick to a one-year deal only. If Belichick goes out on a limb for the man who previously hanged a dog or two from one, the Patriots likely will want to have the option to keep him beyond 2009.

Vick, on the other hand, presumably would like to parlay a stint with the Pats into something bigger and better, as soon as possible.

So if the Pats insist on something more than a one-year contract, Vick likely will look to a team where, come 2010, he would have a crack at unseating the incumbent. The Rams, who reportedly are interested in Vick, might give him the best chance in this regard, since current starter Marc Bulger predates both G.M. Billy Devaney and head coach Steve Spagnuolo.

Mangini Vague On Vick
Posted by Aaron Wilson on June 12, 2009, 9:30 p.m.

So, what are the odds of suspended quarterback Michael Vick joining the Cleveland Browns?

They would seem like a fairly strong candidate to join the Anti-Vick List since they already have Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson on the roster.

And Browns coach Eric Mangini declined to specify how he felt one way or the other when asked about Vick following his official release today from the Atlanta Falcons.

&#8220;I have no idea of the status of anybody that has been released today,&#8221; Mangini told reporters in comments distributed by the team. &#8220;We haven&#8217;t gotten any of that information. I wish him well, but I&#8217;m focusing on the guys that we have here.&#8221;

When asked whether the Browns would possibly consider Vick, who remains on home confinement in Virginia under the supervision of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, Mangini didn&#8217;t give out any information.

&#8220;We look at all players,&#8221; Mangini said. &#8220;It&#8217;s not specific to him or anybody else, we look at all players who we think can help us and it works within the context of the guys that we are bringing in.&#8221;

Meanwhile, the Browns haven&#8217;t experimented with kick returner and wide receiver Josh Cribbs at any other positions this week.

Cribbs has been previously mentioned as a potential candidate to play defense or possibly be utilized in a Wildcat role on offense.

Also, Mangini indicated that fourth-round linebacker Kaluka Maiava was excused from practice for personal reasons.