Fast Forward: Cowboys are not done at TE

[Aliencowboy]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/fast-forward-cowboys-aren-t-done-at-tight-end

About the 4 current TE's on the roster. And 5 TE's that could be on their radar, and a 6th honorable mention prospect.

Top listed TE is Michael Mayer from ND, for the article top listed anyway. I believe he is the TE @CowboyRoy has been posting about.
Mentions Kincaid, then Washington and a few others.

Player with the most potential to be a pro bowler and play for 15 years is Darnell Washington.

 

[kskboys]

It doesn't matter what I think. I've already said I'd rather wait.

Guess I missed that!!!!

 

[kskboys]

Player with the most potential to be a pro bowler and play for 15 years is Darnell Washington.

Aside from the fact that he's very slow and doesn't separate.

 

[Aliencowboy]

Aside from the fact that he's very slow and doesn't separate.

4.64 in the 40 ranked 6th for TEs at the combine which is faster than Mayer. Having said that, at 6’7 and 34 in arm length you are always open.

 

[kskboys]

4.64 in the 40 ranked 6th for TEs at the combine which is faster than Mayer. Having said that, at 6’7 and 34 in arm length you are always open.

That's why he should be a decent red zone threat. May not be much more than a blocker aside from that.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm encouraged by the talent level that's been indicated with the TEs available this year. I feel it's very likely that we'll draft and sign a good one with the exceptional talent that appears to be available in abundance. Whether it's an early pick or a bit later, our depth at TE should be excellent.

 

[Aliencowboy]

That's why he should be a decent red zone threat. May not be much more than a blocker aside from that.

Lol. You should seriously think about scouting.

 

[Kwyn]

I don't think he's a high ceiling guy. Lacks separation ability due to lack of speed.

Looks like strictly a blocker and maybe a red zone threat.

Check the highlight reel linked earlier. He makes some tough catches.

 

[Typhus]

No Kincaid? Only one guy on your list is in sane ballpark as him and that’s Mayer.

If you're talking at 26 then indeed you are correct sir.I would love either, but there will be good TE prospects to be had throughout this draft.
Deep TE draft.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, I just don't see the value in using a first round pick on a TE.

Especially a raw guy like Washington who needs work in the passing game at this level. How happy will people be if our first round pick turns into a glorified 3rd OT?

If it brings back the running game while also helping in pass protection? I’d be pretty pleased.

 

[Stash]

I don't think he's a high ceiling guy. Lacks separation ability due to lack of speed.

Looks like strictly a blocker and maybe a red zone threat.

So Michael Mayer is off of your list completely then?

 

[Stash]

Aside from the fact that he's very slow and doesn't separate.

https://www.nfl.com/combine/tracker/live-results/40-yard-dash/te/all-colleges/

 

[Sydla]

If it brings back the running game while also helping in pass protection? I’d be pretty pleased.

For a first round pick?

Nope. A first round TE has to be better than a good run blocker and pass blocker. He needs to be a legitimate pass catcher as well. Washington could be that, but he also has the biggest bust factor of the other top TEs in the passing game.

I would only consider a TE in the first if he either is a real seam buster like Kincaid might be or a complete all around TE already like a Mayer. And even then, I am not sure I'd even go TE at 26.

 

[Stash]

For a first round pick?

Late first, early second and I’m OK with it.

Nope. A first round TE has to be better than a good run blocker and pass blocker. He needs to be a legitimate pass catcher as well. Washington could be that, but he also has the biggest bust factor of the other top TEs in the passing game.

I don’t see this biggest bust factor. I think his floor is high enough that no matter what, he’ll still be a quality piece.

I would only consider a TE in the first if he either is a real seam buster like Kincaid might be or a complete all around TE already like a Mayer. And even then, I am not sure I'd even go TE at 26.

I don’t want to draft him at 26. I want to move down into the bottom first, early second if I draft him.

 

[Sydla]

Late first, early second and I’m OK with it.

I don’t see this biggest bust factor. I think his floor is high enough that no matter what, he’ll still be a quality piece.

I don’t want to draft him at 26. I want to move down into the bottom first, early second if I draft him.

I just can't even use an early 2nd round pick on a TE who might just end up being a blocking TE. I just can't.

I could stomach Kincaid or Mayer but it would leave a sour taste in my mouth. If I am dropping into that early second round, then there are some OL in that range that would make way more sense to me than a TE like Washington.

 

[Stash]

I just can't even use an early 2nd round pick on a TE who might just end up being a blocking TE. I just can't.

If that’s all you feel he can be, I don’t blame you. But I see much more potential. Potential not fully realized because he was part of the craziest-deep group of college TE’s I think we’ve ever seen.

I could stomach Kincaid or Mayer but it would leave a sour taste in my mouth. If I am dropping into that early second round, then there are some OL in that range that would make way more sense to me than a TE like Washington.

Kincaid is a big receiver for me. Brings nothing in the area of blocking.

And Mayer is what he is, a solid TE close to maxed out. He’s Witten. High character and solid all around, but little future upside.

 

[Sydla]

If that’s all you feel he can be, I don’t blame you. But I see much more potential. Potential not fully realized because he was part of the craziest-deep group of college TE’s I think we’ve ever seen.

Kincaid is a big receiver for me. Brings nothing in the area of blocking.

And Mayer is what he is, a solid TE close to maxed out. He’s Witten. High character and solid all around, but little future upside.

The problem is as Aerolith pointed out, TEs seem to take longer to develop than other positions and Washington is raw in the passing game. I can't justify a pick on a guy in the 26-36 range on a TE that might not become a legitimate threat in the passing game in Year 4. If I need a guy that can have an immediate effect on the offense now, it's Mayer as he likely is the most NFL pass ready TE in the draft and arguably the best blocking TE in the draft (at least of the first 3 round guys). And even then, I just struggle with taking Mayer too.

 

[blueblood70]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/fast-forward-cowboys-aren-t-done-at-tight-end

About the 4 current TE's on the roster. And 5 TE's that could be on their radar, and a 6th honorable mention prospect.

Top listed TE is Michael Mayer from ND, for the article top listed anyway. I believe he is the TE @CowboyRoy has been posting about.
Mentions Kincaid, then Washington and a few others.

6 umm no..lol

 

[Stash]

The problem is as Aerolith pointed out, TEs seem to take longer to develop than other positions and Washington is raw in the passing game.

I’d say tried to point out. That data was deeply flawed.

But I don’t disagree that Washington still needs sone development. My excitement comes from the potential to develop and improve.

I can't justify a pick on a guy in the 26-36 range on a TE that might not become a legitimate threat in the passing game in Year 4.

I think that’s an overly pessimistic assessment.

If I need a guy that can have an immediate effect on the offense now, it's Mayer as he likely is the most NFL pass ready TE in the draft and arguably the best blocking TE in the draft (at least of the first 3 round guys). And even then, I just struggle with taking Mayer too.

First, I’d say that I think Washington is the more dominant blocker today. Secondly, I think Mayer is close to his ceiling and as good as he’s going to get.

He’d be a ‘meh’ pick for me.

 

[Sydla]

I’d say tried to point out. That data was deeply flawed.

But I don’t disagree that Washington still needs sone development. My excitement comes from the potential to develop and improve.


I think that’s an overly pessimistic assessment.


First, I’d say that I think Washington is the more dominant blocker today. Secondly, I think Mayer is close to his ceiling and as good as he’s going to get.

He’d be a ‘meh’ pick for me.

The biggest problem is the overall board. Pickings could be slim in that 26-36 range in terms of quality players that make sense for us.

I wouldn't cry if they ended up taking Harrison, the OT from OU. Love me some OL.