Favre vs. Bledsoe

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The numbers are tilting even more in my favor Hostile. Only 40% agree with you, while 60% agree with me that Favre was no more than slightly better.

You seem like a prideful man, this must sting quite a bit. You should move this thread over to the opinion zone where fewer people will bear witness to your utter wrongness.
 

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on8thdayGodcreatedBledsoe said:
The numbers are tilting even more in my favor Hostile. Only 40% agree with you, while 60% agree with me that Favre was no more than slightly better.

You seem like a prideful man, this must sting quite a bit. You should move this thread over to the opinion zone where fewer people will bear witness to your utter wrongness.
First of all the poll isn't over. Not many have voted yet.

Second, where do you get 60% siding with you? 3 votes more equals 20%. Not even the 2 political parties count hanging chads like that.

Third, where's your 85%?
 
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Hostile said:
First of all the poll isn't over. Not many have voted yet.

Second, where do you get 60% siding with you? 3 votes more equals 20%. Noteven the 2 political parties count hanging chads like that.

Pfffffffft!! 3 votes?? What in the name of John Wayne are you talking about?? 51 people have cast a vote that is in agreement with my thinking on the issue, 34 have cast a vote in agreement with yours. Unless the next 17 people who vote pick "Favre was far superior" you aren't going to stop being wrong any time soon.
 

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on8thdayGodcreatedBledsoe said:
Pfffffffft!! 3 votes?? What in the name of John Wayne are you talking about?? 51 people have cast a vote that is in agreement with my thinking on the issue, 34 have cast a vote in agreement with yours. Unless the next 17 people who vote pick "Favre was far superior" you aren't going to stop being wrong any time soon.
That's funny.

I see 85 total votes cast. 34 to 37 on what you just quoted. That's 3 votes.

There are 5 categories. You don't get 4 of them on your ledger.
 

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Well with 86 votes it seems that only 14 believe that Bledsoe is/has been equal or better. Which is around 16%.
 
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Hostile said:
There are 5 categories. You don't get 4 of them on your ledger.

Yes I do.

All the people who said Bledsoe was equal to, slightly better, or far superior to Favre would certainly agree that Favre was not "far superior" to Bledsoe.

Not even a nice try.
 

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on8thdayGodcreatedBledsoe said:
Yes I do.

All the people who said Bledsoe was equal to, slightly better, or far superior to Favre would certainly agree that Favre was not "far superior" to Bledsoe.

Not even a nice try.
:laugh2:

You're unreal.

Where's your 85%?

How about your contention "Bledsoe rips all over Favre?"

Nice try at spin control.
 

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on8thdayGodcreatedBledsoe said:
Oh, I see you are getting some pity support now.
People vote their own conscience.

You were guilty of premature evaluation, that's all.

:wink2:

Take a lesson from the whale, the only time he gets harpooned is when you comes up to spout.
 
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Hostile said:
:laugh2:

You're unreal.

Where's your 85%?

How about your contention "Bledsoe rips all over Favre?"

Nice try at spin control.

This hasn't always been the case, nor have I ever argued that it was, but today, right now, Bledsoe does rip all over Favre. 85% said they would choose him over Favre to QB the Cowboys this year.
 
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Hostile said:
Take a lesson from the whale, the only time he gets harpooned is when you comes up to spout.

Dude, honestly, you've got to stop with this false bluster. You just started a poll that completely proved me right and you wrong. Time for you to slink away now and hope the thread get's burried.
 

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Man sorry Hos...

But why do you want to compare a future Hall of Famer (Favre) to a at best mediocre QB (Bledsoe)...

Compare Vinny to Bledsoe...not Farve if we want Bledsoe to have even a remote chance of winning the poll...even though Vinny's numbers are superior...or better yet lets stack the deck in Bledsoe's favor and compare Bledsoe to (pick any journeyman qb)...nah won't work outside of a few meaningless stats like yards (journeyman QB) probably has better numbers no wait I know how we can have Bledsoe win compare Bledsoe to Romo...:lmao2:


Hos I know why you set up the poll and I know that you warned the knuckleheads...but really in this war of wits you have a loaded howitzer pointing at the knuckleheads and they have a loaded howitzer pointing at themselves too:laugh2:

this is way to easy make it more challenging like removing 9/10 of your brain... although <sigh> they would still be out matched even if they combined theirs..:(
 

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Keep in mind who you were directing that post too.


"Hey, Rice, you run a 30 yard slant, I'll hit you when you make your cut!"

Bwhahaha :laugh2:
 

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Seems many are remembering the Favre of the last couple years as opposed to his career as a whole. There as some that consider Favre a top 5 QB of all time. I've never heard anyone say that about Bledsoe.

Favre may not be that much better NOW, but span his career and it's a no-brainer.

Favre.....
 

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Farve has been league MVP... Bledsoe? Not even close.

Bledsoe has NEVER EVER been the best QB in the NFL. He may have been in the top 5 once or twice but rest of the time he's been average at best.

First, I agree that Favre is better.

As for Bledsoe being "average at best", with 3 more "average" 20 touchdown seasons Bledsoe will be fourth on the all time list for passing touchdowns in what is really only 15 seasons. That puts him behind only Marino, Favre and Tarkenton. I'd consider that something more than "average at best" :)

Perhaps you should research before you type ludicrous statements.
 

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Bledsoe has had two real chances to start over since NE- I'd love to see what Favre could do with just one. I bet with just one he'd shatter all misconceptions about Bledsoe in an instant. For all intents and purposes, as so many like to say Favre is "finished", Bledsoe was just as "finished" in Buffalo. He was just as "finished" and most people in Cowboyland agreed at the time of his signing here. Amazing what a fresh-start can do for a guys playing career. Favres are the type of players you don't count out. If the Raiders can use a 40+ year old QB to go to the super bowl, imagine what they could've done with Favre...they could've won it.

He makes atleast 25 teams in this league instantly better.. I doubt anybody could evne come close to saying that about Bledsoe. And only his bf here could ever say it with a straight face.
 

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Cowchips said:
First, I agree that Favre is better.

As for Bledsoe being "average at best", with 3 more "average" 20 touchdown seasons Bledsoe will be fourth on the all time list for passing touchdowns in what is really only 15 seasons. That puts him behind only Marino, Favre and Tarkenton. I'd consider that something more than "average at best" :)

Perhaps you should research before you type ludicrous statements.
do you folks intentionally not pay attention so it has to be repeated to you time and time again

taken from a article so it is just a tad dated but still hold true...

http://www.eagletribune.com/news/stories/20050327/SP_004.htm

Among quarterbacks that have thrown for 10,000 or more yards (which means they were starters for at least three full seasons), Bledsoe ranks about 120th all-time, behind Jeff George, Trent Dilfer and Jay Schroeder, averaging 180.1 yards per touchdown.

Bledsoe has never thrown for 30 touchdowns in a season. His best, 28 in 1997 and 27 in 1996, were the closest. In fact, since the 1997 season, which was eight years ago, Bledsoe has averaged only 18.5 TDs per season, which puts him in the bottom third of quarterbacks of that time span.



Now let's look at the most important statistic of all for a quarterback -- victories. Bledsoe is even a bigger loser here.
Bledsoe is 89-88 as a starter, including playoffs.
Breaking down that even further hurts him even more. Over his career, he has played against 39 teams that finished the season at 10-5-1 or better (we call those very good teams, winning twice as much as you lose).
Bledsoe for his career is -- please hide this from the children -- 5-34.
That's right. He has guided his teams to a five wins in 39 games against the cream of the crop.
The problem with what Dallas is getting is that record worsened when Bledsoe went to Buffalo. He was 4-21 as a Patriot against very good teams. He was 1-13 as Bill.
Yikes. That is believed to be the worst winning percentage against very good teams for every quarterback that threw for 20,000 yards or more. WORST EVER.



Now the key ingredient: Despite Bledsoe's not-so-wonderful career, he was the highest paid player in the history of the NFL. Not until recently did Brett Favre pass him in that category. The only difference is that Favre won a Super Bowl and three MVP awards.



I will add that he has finished last or next to last in his division as a starter 9 out of 12 or 10 out of 13 times I don't remember right now which it was...



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Bledsoe: An NFL never-was Cold, Hard Football Facts for October 4, 2004

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It&#8217;s a testament to Drew Bledsoe&#8217;s character that so many New England fans still respect him. His arrival in New England in 1993, along with that of Bill Parcells, helped mark a change in fortunes for a franchise that had been among the most inept in NFL history. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]New Englanders also admire Bledsoe&#8217;s toughness, dignity, accountability and, of course, his 30.06 rifle of an arm. His farewell, full-page advertisement in Boston newspapers when he departed for Buffalo in 2002 was among the classiest acts ever by a Boston-area athlete.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Bledsoe was so respected in New England that his replacement, Tom Brady, needed to win not one but two Super Bowl MVP awards before many Patriots fans finally admitted that keeping Brady over Bledsoe was the right thing to do.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Cold, Hard Football Facts admire the respect accorded Bledsoe. But they&#8217;re not slaves to misty-eyed public sentiment, and they certainly don&#8217;t attempt to swim against a torrent of historical data buoyed only by a skimpy life vest called respect.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]&#8220;The Truth Hurts,&#8221; say the Cold, Hard Football Facts, the truth is this: Bledsoe does not need a better line, another receiver, a top running game, or a different offensive coordinator. And he&#8217;s certainly not in the twilight of a glorious career that seems to be spiraling hopelessly downward in Buffalo. The truth is that Bledsoe is not an NFL has-been. The truth is that Bledsoe is an NFL never-was. He&#8217;s an NFL overall No. 1 draft pick who has never lived up to expectations. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Here then is the execution the Drew Bledsoe legacy, courtesy of an impassive black-cloaked hangman called the Cold, Hard Football Facts:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* Heading into the 2004 season, Bledsoe has posted a single-season passer rating of more than 80 just four times in 11 years. (Tom Brady has posted an 80-plus passer rating three times in three seasons.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* Bledsoe&#8217;s career passer rating of 76.8 ranks 18th among active quarterbacks with a 1,500 career attempts. (Brady&#8217;s career passer rating of 86.4 ranks puts him at a tie for ninth all time with Dan Marino.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* Bledsoe has led the league in pass attempts three times, completions twice, and passing yards just once. He&#8217;s never finished better than third in touchdown passes. (Brady has never led the league in pass attempts, completions or passing yards, but has already led the league once in touchdown passes.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* Bledsoe has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in five of 11 seasons. (Brady has never thrown more interceptions than touchdowns over the course of a season and has a nearly 2 to1 touchdown to interception ratio in his career.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] * Despite his reputation as a strong-armed gunslinger, Bledsoe has a career average of just 6.6 yards per pass attempt. (&#8220;Dink and dunk&#8221; passer Brady averages 6.7 yards per attempt in his career.)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* Bledsoe has completed just 57.1 percent of the passes in his career, with a single-season best of 61.5 percent in 2002. (Brady&#8217;s career completion percentage is 61.9).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* Bledsoe&#8217;s numbers in seven career postseasons games are dreadful: 129 for 252, 1,335 yards, 6 TDs, 12 INTs, and passer rating of 54.9 that makes even fraud Peyton Manning&#8217;s postseason performances look respectable.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]* In his one Super Bowl appearance, Bledsoe posted a line of 25 for 48 (52.1 percent), 253 yards, 2 TDs, 4 INTs, and a 46.6 passer rating. He lost that game, 35-21. In two Super Bowl appearances, Brady has posted a line of 48 for 75 (64.0 percent), 499 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT, and a 95.4 passer rating. He&#8217;s won both games.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Drew Bledsoe was accorded elite quarterback status the day he walked into the NFL as an overall No. 1 draft pick in 1993. The Cold, Hard Football Facts believe it&#8217;s taken 11 years of mediocre play for NFL &#8220;pundits&#8221; to finally acknowledge that Bledsoe is in fact a mediocre quarterback.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How do the Cold, Hard Football Facts know? Consider this one other fact: Bledsoe has looked painfully poor and immobile in his first two games of the 2004 season. He&#8217;s led the Buffalo offense to just 20 total points and the team to an 0-2 record. Yet if he keeps up his 86.3 passer rating so far this season, it will be the second best statistical year of his substandard career.[/FONT]




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Bledsoe kissed, dissed, dismissed Cold, Hard Football Facts for November 15, 2004
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The Cold, Hard Football Facts tossed dirt on the coffin of Drew Bledsoe&#8217;s career earlier this season. After a dreadful performance in Sunday&#8217;s 29-6 loss to New England the &#8220;pundits&#8221; are dancing on the grave.
Bledsoe was 8 of 19 for 76 yards, with three interceptions and an embarrassing 14.6 passer rating &#8211; a performance so poor that the passer rating calculator on football.com advises quarterbacks to &#8220;turn in your jersey.&#8221; Bledsoe was replaced in the fourth quarter by rookie quarterback J.P. Losman, who&#8217;s still recovering from a broken leg, while Buffalo&#8217;s only points came on a punt return. Even Bledsoe&#8217;s pass on a two-point conversion attempt fell incomplete.
The bury Bledsoe bandwagon hit the road moments after the game. Boston sportscaster Bob Neumeier, who has a reputation for bombast and verbosity, actually offered one of the pithiest comments: &#8220;Drew Bledsoe has no football left in him,&#8221; he said during the Patriots 5th Quarter postgame show.
NFL analyst and former quarterback Boomer Esiason said &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t look like there&#8217;s any juice left in the tank&#8221; on WEEI sports radio Monday morning.
Even Ron Borges of the Boston Globe, one of Bledsoe&#8217;s most ardent supporters, admitted in his Monday column that &#8220;the end came, for all intents and purposes, at 11:20 last night.&#8221;
The Buffalo Bills Web site www.twobillsdrive.com offers links to all the obituaries.
There is no getting around the fact that Bledsoe&#8217;s overrated career is coming to a sad, pitiful, inglorious end. After Sunday&#8217;s performance, Bledsoe&#8217;s passer rating for the season has dropped to 70.3, the second lowest number of his career. And as sad as that number is, it&#8217;s not that far off his average. Bledsoe&#8217;s career passer rating is just 76.5 and he has posted a passer rating of better than 78.0 just once in the last six seasons. He has thrown more than 20 touchdown passes just once over those same six years. It's not likely he'll reach that milestone this year, either.
More indicting than the passing stats are the performances of the teams on which Bledsoe has played. He's just 22-37 as a starting quarterback since the start of the 2000 season. He&#8217;s been on just one winning team in those five years &#8211; as the back-up quarterback for the Super Bowl champion 2001 Patriots. The last time Bledsoe quarterbacked a winning team was in the Pete Carroll era, when the 1998 Patriots finished the season 9-7.
After gleefully announcing the end of Bledsoe's career, Neumeier did try to backpedal by talking about quarterback's roll in building Gillette Stadium. It's an important part of a legacy that still endears Bledsoe to many longtime New England fans, who know how pitiful the Patriots were before his arrival.
Kevin Rousseau of PatsFan.com puts it best:
&#8220;Let me just say that (Bledsoe) does not deserve this fate. He is a decent man, a class act and a good quarterback at times. He could have easily divided the team during the 2001 season but he put his personal feelings aside for the good of the team and it brought the Patriots their first championship.&#8221;
It's not a bad legacy for a quarterback who&#8217;s career is over. But it's time to let go.

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A list of 12 professional football players who do not deserve their superstar status is presented. The players include Larry Brown, Marshall Faulk, Drew Bledsoe and David Williams.
They make the big bucks and carry the trig reputations. Their names and faces are plastered on billboards and featured in television commercials.
But sometimes, their on-field performance doesn't measure up to their contracts, and their reputations are bigger than their achievements.
 

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Dale said:
I thought he handled the Rogers situation very poorly. Everyone was saying what a great mentor he'd make, and then he comes out and says it's not his job or in his contract to be the kid's mentor. Sorry, but to me, that goes against the team concept. I'd have been highly disappointed in Aikman had we ever attempted grooming a guy under him and he reacted that way.

:hammer:

I have never liked Favre. I don't like green bay period :laugh2: but I will give props where they are due. Favre has had a better career both statistically and in terms of superbowl wins. Favre gives you much more in terms of enthusiasm and mobilty in a QB but he tends to gamble far too much for my taste.

If I'm building a team today and have both of them in their prime to choose from, knowing what I know about them now, I choose bledsoe.

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