Felix Jones is now an Eagle

[Nation]

Such a clever response..

However, if his career ypc is 4.8, then how are both his averages with 15 or more carries or 14 or less carries both over 4.8?

Makes no sense for those that understand simple math..

Wherever you are pulling his career YPC from does not include a 16 for 148 2009 season Wild Card game against the Eagles or a 14 for 69 Divisional Round game against Minnesota.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

His career regular season average is 4.8

His number include the post season.

That'll do it then.

Hard to believe 2 postseason games affect the average over his entire career that much.

So his career rushing average including the postseason is 4.91 and yet people still call him a bust.

Imagine what he could have done if he got the carries that the other backs from this draft did and he ran behind any kind of a decent OL for his career.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Wherever you are pulling his career YPC from does not include a 16 for 148 2009 season Wild Card game against the Eagles or a 14 for 69 Divisional Round game against Minnesota.

I think its pretty clear where i was pulling his career ypc from..

 

[Hoofbite]

Wherever you are pulling his career YPC from does not include a 16 for 148 2009 season Wild Card game against the Eagles or a 14 for 69 Divisional Round game against Minnesota.

Without them it looks like:

<15: 4.8 YPC

>14: 4.7 YPC

 

[Hoofbite]

That'll do it then.

Hard to believe 2 postseason games affect the average over his entire career that much.

So his career rushing average including the postseason is 4.91 and yet people still call him a bust.

Imagine what he could have done if he got the carries that the other backs from this draft did and he ran behind any kind of a decent OL for his career.

Those two games are 5% of all the carries he got in Dallas.

30 carries out of 599.

29 of those carries averaged 4.96 yards and the other was a 73 yard run to put his postseason average at 7.23

The reason he's considered a bust isn't because of his average. Hell, if people expected 600 yards/season from a 1st round RB nobody would ever be a bust.

I would call him a bust. Why he busted is debatable but 600 yards and 3 TDs per season isn't 1st round production.

Furthermore, he hasn't looked anything close to 2009 in a couple of years.

 

[DFWJC]

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I would call him a bust. Why he busted is debatable but 600 yards and 3 TDs per season isn't 1st round production.
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I think that sums it up right there.


It's not like Felix is a terrible back, and his ypc has always been good if looked at in a vacuum. But that's a very deceiving stat when you then look at bottom-line production numbers.

I could see him a being fairly decent role player in a spreadout, open offense like they'll have in Philly.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Those two games are 5% of all the carries he got in Dallas.

30 carries out of 599.

29 of those carries averaged 4.96 yards and the other was a 73 yard run to put his postseason average at 7.23

The reason he's considered a bust isn't because of his average. Hell, if people expected 600 yards/season from a 1st round RB nobody would ever be a bust.

I would call him a bust. Why he busted is debatable but 600 yards and 3 TDs per season isn't 1st round production.

Furthermore, he hasn't looked anything close to 2009 in a couple of years.

Its not that i don't understand why some fans want to label him as a bust.

But when you look at his actual production, its actually more the organizations fault that he didn't do more for us, than it was his own.

Like i've said before, he can't hand the ball off to himself. You took him in the first round, so don't give us all this bs talk about how you don't want to risk losing him, blah blah blah.. give him the ball and let him be the guy for you. If you don't want to do that, then you shouldn't have drafted him.. but in my opinion, we wasted his talent big time here.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think that sums it up right there.


It's not like Felix is a terrible back, and his ypc has always been good if looked at in a vacuum. But that's a very deceiving stat when you at bottom-line production numbers.

I could see him a being fairly decent role player in a spreadout, open offense kike they will have in Philly.

The bottom line on his production, is that when we gave him the ball he got us over 5 yards on average.

You're trying to discredit him because he wasn't given the ball more like that's something he should have been able to control or overcome.. many fans do the same.. and its silliness.

What he did with what he was given was VERY VERY good compared to all the other backs in the league, and as has been shown, when he was given the ball more.. he produced more.

Again, he can't hand himself off the ball, and you can't blame him for this organization wasting his talent by, yet again, mismanaging a player.

 

[DFWJC]

The bottom line on his production, is that when we gave him the ball he got us over 5 yards on average.

You're trying to discredit him because he wasn't given the ball more like that's something he should have been able to control or overcome.. many fans do the same.. and its silliness.

What he did with what he was given was VERY VERY good compared to all the other backs in the league, and as has been shown, when he was given the ball more.. he produced more.

Again, he can't hand himself off the ball, and you can't blame him for this organization wasting his talent by, yet again, mismanaging a player.

His number of carries were lower over his career for more reasons than just how often Dallas chose to play him.
His numbers are also a reflection of how non-durable he was.
And that is a huge factor to how valuable a player is.

Yes, YPC ARE deceiving if number of carries are limited. The only way to prove other wise would be for him to be capable of having a couple of 300 yard carry seasons and see if that YPC average is still up there. I guarantee it would not be over a 4 year span.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

His number of carries was lower over his career for more reasons than just how often Dallas chose to play him.
His numbers are also a reflection of how non-durable he was.
And that is a huge factor to how valuable a player is.

:laugh2:

His numbers were a reflection of how non durable he was, even though its been proven that he produced more when he was given more touches?

Ok.. and no. The ONLY reason he didn't produce more is because JG, JJ, and the rest of the JA's, running the organization chose to draft him in the first round and then play him like a backup.

 

[DFWJC]

:laugh2:

His numbers were a reflection of how non durable he was, even though its been proven that he produced more when he was given more touches?

Ok.. and no. The ONLY reason he didn't produce more is because JG, JJ, and the rest of the JA's, running the organization chose to draft him in the first round and then play him like a backup.

Are you claiming he did not get injured?
That is what I was referring to.

It's as if you're taking this Felix stuff personally.

NP
We agree to disagree.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Hopefully he shows up to camp fat for them.

Hopefully he gets a chance to return kicks because he is amazing at it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yes, YPC ARE deceiving if number of carries are limited. The only way to prove other wise would be for him to be capable of having a couple of 300 yard carry seasons and see if that YPC average is still up there. I guarantee it would not be over a 4 year span.

This entire paragraph is nothing but your assumptions and opinon, including your subjective values of how many carries need to be had in order for ypc to matter.

The facts are, when we gave Felix the ball, he got us over 5 yards on average. Also, when Felix got more carries, he was more productive.

Your "guarentees" don't change that, unfortunately.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Are you claiming he did not get injured?
That is what I was referring to.

Im claiming he missed 6 games in the last 4 seasons.. so it would seem your "non durable" routine is the part that's deceiving, not his ypc.

 

[Red Dragon]

I agree with RoyTheHammer. Yards-per-carry is the fair measurement here. It makes no sense to criticize for Felix not getting, say, 1,000 yards a season as a first-round running back when he was not given a sufficient number of carries to ever realistically get that much.


If he had 230 carries in one season and failed to crack a thousand yards, that would have been one thing. But he wasn't given that many.


This is like criticizing a wide receiver for having only 600 yards receiving in a season when he is only thrown to 35 times.

 

[DBOY3141]

I agree with RoyTheHammer. Yards-per-carry is the fair measurement here. It makes no sense to criticize for Felix not getting, say, 1,000 yards a season as a first-round running back when he was not given a sufficient number of carries to ever realistically get that much.


If he had 230 carries in one season and failed to crack a thousand yards, that would have been one thing. But he wasn't given that many.


This is like criticizing a wide receiver for having only 600 yards receiving in a season when he is only thrown to 35 times.

I think the main problem most folks have with Felix is proneness to injuries. Roy the Hammer mentions only missing 6 games in 4 years, that's true, but how many games did he start and then have to come out. I think that's the reason he never saw 230 carries, he couldn't make it to that many. He always seemed to be coming out of games, not being able to practice all week and those kinds of things. To me YPC is a deceiving stat. I didn't like the pick in 2008 and thought he never lived up to any type of expectations. I don't think he has the heart to be a full time back. Nice guy, didn't work out.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think the main problem most folks have with Felix is proneness to injuries. Roy the Hammer mentions only missing 6 games in 4 years, that's true, but how many games did he start and then have to come out. I think that's the reason he never saw 230 carries, he couldn't make it to that many. He always seemed to be coming out of games, not being able to practice all week and those kinds of things. To me YPC is a deceiving stat. I didn't like the pick in 2008 and thought he never lived up to any type of expectations. I don't think he has the heart to be a full time back. Nice guy, didn't work out.

Why don't you answer that for us?

..or was that just supposed to be hyperbole?

I love all this "no heart" talk all of a sudden, too. Good stuff.

 

[RastaRocket]

I wonder what Joker is up to?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I wonder what Joker is up to?

Out purchasing some Eagles gear, most likely. Either that, or sobbing uncontrollably in a corner somewhere.

 

[DFWJC]

If YPC (without factoring in # of carries) is the be-all-end-all,
then Felix was tied for 189th in the league in yards per carry last year at 3.6.

Since opinions are frowned upon, I just thought I would throw out a fact.