Felix Jones is now an Eagle

[RastaRocket]

Out purchasing some Eagles gear, most likely. Either that, or sobbing uncontrollably in a corner somewhere.

Poor guy.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Im claiming he missed 6 games in the last 4 seasons.. so it would seem your "non durable" routine is the part that's deceiving, not his ypc.

I'd like to add the disclaimer that just because he didn't miss games, doesn't mean he was healthy.

Nov. 2012 RVING – Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones is concerned about Felix Jones’ health. The Cowboys running back was listed as questionable on last week’s injury report because of a bruised left knee and it was revealed Thursday that he is also dealing with an injured shoulder.

See also: Terence Newman, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten, and any number of players

 

[RoyTheHammer]

If YPC (without factoring in # of carries) is the be-all-end-all,
then Felix was tied for 189th in the league in yards per carry last year at 3.6.

Since opinions are frowned upon, I just thought I would throw out a fact.

Opinions should not be frowned upon because this site wouldn't run without them.

They just don't do a very good job of bringing credibility to a discussion sometimes when there are facts that dispute them.

That being said, i don't think anyone would argue that Felix didn't have a good season last year. Neither did Murray.

Both were playing behind a bad OL and both played injured for part of the season.

My opinion to add onto that collection of facts, based on our situation last year, is that we could have brought Sweetness back from the dead, and his ypc would have looked pedestrian last year, as well.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I'd like to add the disclaimer that just because he didn't miss games, doesn't mean he was healthy.

See also: Terence Newman, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten, and any number of players

I'd like to add the disclaimer to the disclaimer that no NFL player is completely healthy throughout the course of any entire season. Guys play hurt all the time.

Implying someone is "non durable" however, seems to state that he misses alot of games, which has been shown, he does not.

I think most people realize this already though.. so neither of these two posts were probably really necessary.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I'd like to add the disclaimer that just because he didn't miss games, doesn't mean he was healthy.

See also: Terence Newman, Demarcus Ware, Jason Witten, and any number of players

I do find it a bit humerous though, that with all these injuries Felix has supposedly had, and played through, he somehow still has "no heart" according to a good portion of our fans now.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I'd like to add the disclaimer to the disclaimer that no NFL player is completely healthy throughout the course of any entire season. Guys play hurt all the time.

Implying someone is "non durable" however, seems to state that he misses alot of games, which has been shown, he does not.

I think most people realize this already though.. so neither of these two posts were probably really necessary.

Actually if I post something, I generally think it was necessary. No opinion on how you should view your posts.


Actually, I think of nondurable as someone whose always banged up regardless of whether they miss games. And Felix just seemed to always have had some injury throughout his career in Dallas, whether he played through it or not. I think the general feeling with Felix is that it was always "something" with him.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I do find it a bit humerous though, that with all these injuries Felix has supposedly had, and played through, he somehow still has "no heart" according to a good portion of our fans now.

You should know by now that virtually every single person who goes out the door here, player or coach, will become a pariah.

It doesn't make sense but it's just the way people are.

 

[WoodysGirl]

You should know by now that virtually every single person who goes out the door here, player or coach, will become a pariah.

It doesn't make sense but it's just the way people are.

Personally, I can only name one player who I was glad was off the team. Everybody else, I either didn't care or I thought they were a good guy who just didn't work out. Felix falls into the 2nd category.

But I do agree alot of fans tend to turn on the players as soon as they get the foot to butt action out of Valley Ranch.

 

[DFWJC]

Personally, I can only name one player who I was glad was off the team. Everybody else, I either didn't care or I thought they were a good guy who just didn't work out. Felix falls into the 2nd category.

Yeah. I liked Felix just fine too.
I always had a beef with him being taken in the 1st round, but that wasn't his fault.
I guess if I had to choose right now between Felix and Joseph Randle, I'd say I'm glad we have Randle. Ask me again at the end of the year though.

I just hope in a few years, people aren't looking at Gavin Escobar and asking "if we wanted a RB, why did we take Escobar when we could have had Eddie Lacy, LeVeon Bell or Monte Ball with that pick".

 

[DBOY3141]

Why don't you answer that for us?

..or was that just supposed to be hyperbole?

I love all this "no heart" talk all of a sudden, too. Good stuff.

2009 - misses 10 games - back up to Barber

2010 - best year - single carry average until week 9, starting week 10 never dipped below 11 carries with a high of 22

2011 - hurt in week 6 after 5 carries, misses next 4 games, comes back in week 11, carries 5 times goes out, misses week 12, after that plays in week 13 (6 carries), week 14 (16 carries, Murray out for year), week 15 (22 carries), week 16 (4 carries - out due to coaches decision), week 17 (11 carries)

2012 - clearly #2 back heading into season, shows up out of shape after shoulder surgery, weeks 1 -4 had a total of 3 carries, week 6 Murray hurt, becomes #1 back averages 14 carries until week 11, Murray comes back and he's back to single carry games.

As most posters to include myself have stated it just always seemed to be some injury with Felix. My opinion on heart goes to the showing up out of shape and taking so long to get in shape. He was #2 RB on the team with no real competition and fails the conditioning test. I feel what was portrayed by the media and how he looked on games days, that he did not appear to "want" to play the game. Something wasn't right with him mindset wise, in my humble opinion.

 

[DenCWBY]

Hopefully they use him a lot in the passing game. :laugh2:

That or kick returner.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

As most posters to include myself have stated it just always seemed to be some injury with Felix. My opinion on heart goes to the showing up out of shape and taking so long to get in shape. He was #2 RB on the team with no real competition and fails the conditioning test. I feel what was portrayed by the media and how he looked on games days, that he did not appear to "want" to play the game. Something wasn't right with him mindset wise, in my humble opinion.

He showed up out of shape one year in his entire career with us, and it just so happened to be the year he was coming off major shoulder surgery that he was recovering from.

Couldn't be a coincidence though.. he must just be a heartless, gutless loser.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Yeah. I liked Felix just fine too.
I always had a beef with him being taken in the 1st round, but that wasn't his fault.
I guess if I had to choose right now between Felix and Joseph Randle, I'd say I'm glad we have Randle. Ask me again at the end of the year though.

I just hope in a few years, people aren't looking at Gavin Escobar and asking "if we wanted a RB, why did we take Escobar when we could have had Eddie Lacy, LeVeon Bell or Monte Ball with that pick".

Just to add to this post, i would take Randle right now, as well.. just because he's much younger and RB's generally aren't as effective after a few years of punishment.

That being said, i still feel we wasted the talent of the guy by trying to "protect" him and not playing him more. Its a sport.. you use the guy while you have him and when he stops being effective or he can't play anymore you replace him. That's how its supposed to work, not "oh, we'll give him 5 carries a game that way we'll have him on the team for 20 years."

A bit of an exaggeration, but that certainly seems to be the mindset the Cowboys had with him. Mismangement of players has become a staple under this regime.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Actually if I post something, I generally think it was necessary. No opinion on how you should view your posts.

..and that's fine. It was my opinion that people don't need to be told that NFL players play hurt during the season. Carry on.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just to add to this post, i would take Randle right now, as well.. just because he's much younger and RB's generally aren't as effective after a few years of punishment.

That being said, i still feel we wasted the talent of the guy by trying to "protect" him and not playing him more. Its a sport.. you use the guy while you have him and when he stops being effective or he can't play anymore you replace him. That's how its supposed to work, not "oh, we'll give him 5 carries a game that way we'll have him on the team for 20 years."

A bit of an exaggeration, but that certainly seems to be the mindset the Cowboys had with him. Mismangement of players has become a staple under this regime.

I don't really think you can say that the Cowboys mismanaged him. He came from a two back system in College and was used as such in Dallas. I was never for drafting him because I don't think you use 1st round picks as situational players. They should be mainstays/cornerstones of your team. Having said that, the Cowboys used him for what they projected him to be. He just wasn't very good at it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I don't really think you can say that the Cowboys mismanaged him. He came from a two back system in College and was used as such in Dallas. I was never for drafting him because I don't think you use 1st round picks as situational players. They should be mainstays/cornerstones of your team. Having said that, the Cowboys used him for what they projected him to be. He just wasn't very good at it.

They either mismanaged the player or mismanaged the pick.. and neither is good.

Just because he didn't carry the load in college, doesn't mean he couldn't do it in the NFL. As you said, it was part of the system his college team used. However, if our organization didn't feel like they were confident in having him carry the load for us, then you're correct in saying it was ridiculous for us to have ever drafted him in the first place as a first round pick.

My feeling.. he would have been fine with more carries, as was showed earlier, he was at his most productive when he was given more touches. Sure, he may have worn down more quickly that way, but its the NFL, like i said.. you use the player for his talents until he's not effective anymore, then you replace him. That's the business.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Not overly worried about Felix, but it is going to be fun to watch that PHI offense this year. WAS, too. I"m liking what's going on in the NFCE right now.

Why would you say such a thing lol.

I'm scared of the NFCE. I could see us finishing 3rd again. Kiffin's Tampa 2 is susceptible to spread attacks and option reads like Philly and Washington.

 

[ternewt24]

Does anyone know what they are paying him? Just curious how little he got to go there. Eagles with 5 RB's on the roster. If he doesnt get cut after camp he will be there #3 back. Good luck, when healthy and in shape a solid player but overall a wasted #1 pick!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

They either mismanaged the player or mismanaged the pick.. and neither is good.

Just because he didn't carry the load in college, doesn't mean he couldn't do it in the NFL. As you said, it was part of the system his college team used. However, if our organization didn't feel like they were confident in having him carry the load for us, then you're correct in saying it was ridiculous for us to have ever drafted him in the first place as a first round pick.

My feeling.. he would have been fine with more carries, as was showed earlier, he was at his most productive when he was given more touches. Sure, he may have worn down more quickly that way, but its the NFL, like i said.. you use the player for his talents until he's not effective anymore, then you replace him. That's the business.

Well, he had every chance to do it in the NFL and he didn't. I can only assume that the team felt as if he could not carry the load. Why else would you draft Murray? I have to say that I agree with that point of view.

 

[muck4doo]

Felix Jones up the middle for 5 yards before being exploded into a messy pile of blood and bones by Scorpion! Fatality!