Fellow "No Zeke at 4!" Posters: How will you react if it's him?

[gimmesix]

Elliott isn't my first choice for the pick, but I don't see any reason to overreact if he's taken at No. 4.

My hope would be that he raises the running game a notch or two. Not that I would expect him to rush for 2,000 yards, but to be considered such a threat that coordinators have to acknowledge the need to stop him to the extent that it frees up Bryant for more one-on-one matchups.

He needs to be a player who can make 3 or 4 yards on first down consistently when defenses know it's coming and have stacked the box. Then, if we can only learn to properly use play-action, we can make them pay for it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Reported by who? The media? No one on this God's green earth know if he'll be a 10k back or not. I'm willing to bet they thought the same thing about Emmitt. No one thought that we would have that kind of offense when we had Demarco. I still believe we have to take Zeke....and it's my opinion. You can't tell people what they should be opinionated on. Zeke is a can't miss back. I believe it and I'm going to continue to believe that. Well, when you pick that high in the draft....you got to pay someone unless you trade out of the pick. But when you have the pick, you pick the best player regardless of position. Zeke needs to be the pick.

Yes, the Media. ESPN to be exact. This is kinda what I'm getting at with you. It's not a posters opinion if it's reported. Now, if you want to say that the reporting is not accurate, I really don't have a problem with that but that does not change the fact that both of those statements are not opinions. What's more, I think that the accuracy of both of those reports probably have more reliability then not.

Just to clarify, nobody did know what Emmitt would be. Jimmy thought that he would be able to hold it down for 4 or 5 years and move on but then again, that's why Emmitt wasn't drafted till 17th overall. There is a reason a player like Emmitt was not taken higher. It's a value thing. I will tell you that when we had Murray, I believed that we would and could have that kind of Offense. I said that many, many times. I am a fan of the running game and I am a fan of having a three down back who can carry the load. I like Zeke. However, I understand all the reasons why he may not be the best pick at 4 for this team. In fact, I don't think he would be at 4. That doesn't mean I dislike the player and I'm actually OK with you saying that you believe he is and that you will continue to believe that. That is totally OK with me but, there are very valid financial and long term reasons, not to mention, actual talent based evaluations that suggest Zeke is not the best player in this draft.

You do have to pay somebody that money and that is a valid point but, it's also true that certain positions demand higher salaries. It's also true that if you pay a RB that kind of money, you still have to pay certain positions higher salaries because those guys aren't taking less money because the Boys decided to overpay at RB. The dynamics of this will effect the cap long term so it's not just a simple matter of, "Well, you gotta pay somebody at 4." There is more two it then that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If they pick Zeke then my opinion is going to be based completely on how he is used and how he performs.

If the coaches integrate him into the passing game like they did with Dunbar but expand on that in addition to him rushing the ball getting 2000 total yards and 10+ TDs well then he is Marshall Faulk and Roger Craig and I will love him.

If they use him like most of their backs and he gets a bunch of 100 yard games but is the dumpoff safety release for the QB then I will be unimpressed.

I do think his route tree is overrated and we are more likely to see at most screens, wheels, flares, and underneath stuff early in his career.

 

[Dorsett33]

Well, I don't buy your logic. We agree to disagree. I'll go with my opinion and you gan

Yes, the Media. ESPN to be exact. This is kinda what I'm getting at with you. It's not a posters opinion if it's reported. Now, if you want to say that the reporting is not accurate, I really don't have a problem with that but that does not change the fact that both of those statements are not opinions. What's more, I think that the accuracy of both of those reports probably have more reliability then not.

Just to clarify, nobody did know what Emmitt would be. Jimmy thought that he would be able to hold it down for 4 or 5 years and move on but then again, that's why Emmitt wasn't drafted till 17th overall. There is a reason a player like Emmitt was not taken higher. It's a value thing. I will tell you that when we had Murray, I believed that we would and could have that kind of Offense. I said that many, many times. I am a fan of the running game and I am a fan of having a three down back who can carry the load. I like Zeke. However, I understand all the reasons why he may not be the best pick at 4 for this team. In fact, I don't think he would be at 4. That doesn't mean I dislike the player and I'm actually OK with you saying that you believe he is and that you will continue to believe that. That is totally OK with me but, there are very valid financial and long term reasons, not to mention, actual talent based evaluations that suggest Zeke is not the best player in this draft.

You do have to pay somebody that money and that is a valid point but, it's also true that certain positions demand higher salaries. It's also true that if you pay a RB that kind of money, you still have to pay certain positions higher salaries because those guys aren't taking less money because the Boys decided to overpay at RB. The dynamics of this will effect the cap long term so it's not just a simple matter of, "Well, you gotta pay somebody at 4." There is more two it then that.

Well, I don't buy your logic. We agree to disagree. I'll go with my opinion and you can go with yours. If you want to base your facts on ESPN, go right ahead. But, I can voice my opinion how I choose. And you can voice yours how you choose.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I love Zeke as a player. I HATE the idea of drafting a RB in the top 5. I'm trying to prepare myself for them actually doing it, though, if it comes down to it, and honestly, trying to talk myself into being okay with it. I'm not there yet.

If he is the pick, I hope we hope we give him the ball 25 times a game, 16 games a year for 5 years, then move on. I can buy the argument that RBs are worth a first round pick (not top 5) more than I buy they idea that they're worth big contracts after their rookie deal. After 400 touches a year, 2,000 over his rookie contract (never mind playoff games), I won't be on board with giving him Charles, McCoy, Peterson money. Based on the press confrence, I think that's where Jerry&Co. are at as well.

Here's what I'll convince myself is the plus side: We got a difference maker over a 5 year period whod could potentially be as valuable as Dez over that span. Our defense will suck, but we may be able to control the clock enough to compete with anyone. In addition, the draft is loaded at the DL spots. We could grab a DE and 1T who could help our pass rush, knock on wood. Plus, the kid will be fun as **** to watch.

Again, I don't want him at 5. I think it's a bad move that we'll come to regret if he gets hurt and/or in 5 years when it's time to move on. But, I'll try to find the positive side and enjoy the ride.

I think the No Zeke at 4 members arent against the player, I just think they are against the placement. We need help in other areas much worse than QB. I think behind this line Morris and McFadden will be more than fine. Morris is a good zone runner, and McFadden is a good 3rd down back, and both he and Dunbar are good out of the back field catching the ball. I dont think anyone that fits our needs is worthy of the 4 pick. If we do pick him, I would think we got the best RB in the draft.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, I don't buy your logic. We agree to disagree. I'll go with my opinion and you can go with yours. If you want to base your facts on ESPN, go right ahead. But, I can voice my opinion how I choose. And you can voice yours how you choose.

I never said that it was fact, what has been reported. I said that it was not my opinion but statement based on reporting. I do believe it's probably closer to the truth but I'm not presenting that as fact because I have no proof of same. That's just what's been reported and not just My Opinion, as you stated earlier.

I'm OK with you not buying my logic and we can agree to disagree. That's also OK. You are right, you can absolutely voice your opinion and that's perfectly fine. My job is to insure that you do have the opportunity to voice opinions. I hope you are happy with the draft this evening.

 

[JoaquinFenix]

As I sadly shake my head, I will wonder how general managers, media talking heads, and self-proclaimed draftniks continue to ignore basic analytics showing that the ground game has little correlation to winning.

 

[jnday]

Those pesky numbers.

Pesky old numbers.

 

[Dorsett33]

[qhopeuote="ABQCOWBOY, post: 6655132, member: 318"]I never said that it was fact, what has been reported. I said that it was not my opinion but statement based on reporting. I do believe it's probably closer to the truth but I'm not presenting that as fact because I have no proof of same. That's just what's been reported and not just My Opinion, as you stated earlier.

I'm OK with you not buying my logic and we can agree to disagree. That's also OK. You are right, you can absolutely voice your opinion and that's perfectly fine. My job is to insure that you do have the opportunity to voice opinions. I hope you are happy with the draft this evening.[/quote]


I hope all of us Cowboy fans are happy at the end of the season. I just have my logic and opinion that may be different than yours and a lot of other people. I'm going to root for whomever puts on that star.

 

[cml750]

How will I react??? I will be glad he is a Cowboy. I do not want him (at #4) and want him even less after seeing the absolutely ridiculous outfit he wore to the draft but will welcome him into the Cowboy family if we draft him. If we draft him, I just hope they provide someone to help him with his wardrobe so he doesn't look like an idiot again.

 

[endersdragon]

Just remember, nobody, and I mean nobody, was in favor of Fredbeard... we redraft now he probably goes in the top 15 if not the top 10 (2 time Pro Bowler/2nd team All-Pro... yea... he goes wayyyyyyyyyy earlier this time around)

 

[fishspill]

Taking Zeke is the team using a top 5 pick for a desperate, short-term gain. A last grasp at a Romo Super Bowl. It won't likely pan out and it's a foolish move.

 

[Deep_South]

We can't get DeMarco back, and Zeke doesn't cost nearly as much, so I'll take him. Let's get back to 12-4 with Tony and Zeke.

 

[Rogerthat12]

ZEKE...