Finding a Franchise QB

[Nightman]

You obviously don't pay attention. LOL. I said that if we take a QB at #4 overall, that the chance of us drafting one next year is much less, even if we have a chance at a better QB than the one we drafted at #4 this year is available to us because of the investment that we made at #4 and the TIME it takes to evaluate a QB. That is the biggest difference between QB and any other position. If you swing and MISS on a QB it sets you back more than not having one at all. If you KNOW you don't have a franchise QB then you are desperately trying to acquire one. If you think you have one and you don't, well you aren't looking because they cost too much to have two such guys on the roster.

But you answered your own dilemma by praising WAS. They traded all that for RGIII and still drafted Cousins.

If DAL drafts Goff they still need back-ups and projects down the road.
The lesson is to keep drafting QBs.

Worst case if Goff is a back-up then they get 4-5 years out of him.
They should be able to determine if he is starting quality in the first year or so. Just because he isn't starting doesn't mean they don't see him practice.

If they pass on Goff/Wentz and they turn out to be stars, that is setting the franchise back 5 years until they stink enough to draft top 4 again.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

But you answered your own dilemma by praising WAS. They traded all that for RGIII and still drafted Cousins.

If DAL drafts Goff they still need back-ups and projects down the road.
The lesson is to keep drafting QBs.

Worst case if Goff is a back-up then they get 4-5 years out of him.
They should be able to determine if he is starting quality in the first year or so. Just because he isn't starting doesn't mean they don't see him practice.

If they pass on Goff/Wentz and they turn out to be stars, that is setting the franchise back 5 years until they stink enough to draft top 4 again.

lol-when Goff or Wentz don't workout for whomever takes them it will set them back 6-7 years ... and risk losing a Franchise player like Ramsey or Elliot to boot.

 

[Verdict]

Let's assume Romo plays all 16 games next year. The Cowboys finish 10-6 and win a playoff game. Not an unrealistic scenario.

Next off season you will have a 37 year old QB with a bad back. A draft class of QB'S worse than this year. And your draft pick is in the 20's.

That is a terrible situation to be in, IMO. Awful.

I agree that would be a terrible situation to be in. But we would be in worse position if we draft a QB at #4 and he can't play and is a bust, right? Do you see my point?

 

[Verdict]

There is no guarantee you could get a franchise QB in ANY year. There is no such thing as a guarantee.

Therefore, by your logic, we should never draft one. We will be winning Super Bowls by the dozens that way.

That's not what I said. LOL. Reread my post, regroup, give it some thought, and try again.

 

[Verdict]

But you answered your own dilemma by praising WAS. They traded all that for RGIII and still drafted Cousins.

If DAL drafts Goff they still need back-ups and projects down the road.
The lesson is to keep drafting QBs.

Worst case if Goff is a back-up then they get 4-5 years out of him.
They should be able to determine if he is starting quality in the first year or so. Just because he isn't starting doesn't mean they don't see him practice.

If they pass on Goff/Wentz and they turn out to be stars, that is setting the franchise back 5 years until they stink enough to draft top 4 again.

Actually the worst case scenario is that we draft Goff (or whoever) as a QB at #4 and he turns out to be Ryan Leaf. You waste your pick at #4, you use up your cap on a nonproductive player, you delude yourself into thinking that you have your next franchise QB in the wings and pass on other true franchise QB's because you have been lulled into a false sense of security, and by the time you figure out he is a bust, there isn't a true franchise guy on the board and you reach again because you are desperate, repeating the process yet again... LOL. I think that is much worse, but that's just me. LOL.

You can't ASSUME that the top guys are franchise QBs. They either have the grade or they don't. Many draft experts are saying that the best QB's in this class would go late first round or maybe the second round in most years. That doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling, but again, that;'s just me. Hopefully whatever the Cowboys do, they get it right.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I agree that would be a terrible situation to be in. But we would be in worse position if we draft a QB at #4 and he can't play and is a bust, right? Do you see my point?

A bust after 1 season? With few snaps if at all in regular season (if Tony is healthy)?

 

[Verdict]

lol-when Goff or Wentz don't workout for whomever takes them it will set them back 6-7 years ... and risk losing a Franchise player like Ramsey or Elliot to boot.

Setting their franchise back 6 to 7 years might be a bit too extreme a statement, but I agree that it would be at least three years of a hole to crawl out of. We need to stop swinging for the fences on every pick and fill the roster with largely strong can't miss type of players. We need to adequately fill tons of holes with good solid football players who want to play the game.

 

[Verdict]

A bust after 1 season? With few snaps if at all in regular season (if Tony is healthy)?

Holy **** batman, the reading comprehension on this board is absolutely horrendous. I am not directing my next statement at the quoted post, but sometimes I feel like when I read some of the comments on this board that I am now dumber for having read them.

 

[Galian Beast]

Good. Just make sure that you apply the same standard to a rookie quarterback.

I would apply that the a rookie quarterback, but I would say that a rookie quarterback comes with a big disadvantage which is lack of experience, and that the biggest benefit of a rookie quarterback is their rookie contract, which is pretty useless if they're sitting on the bench.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Holy **** batman, the reading comprehension on this board is absolutely horrendous. I am not directing my next statement at the quoted post, but sometimes I feel like when I read some of the comments on this board that I am now dumber for having read them.

lol. You were referring to a poster on taking a qb in 2017. So you bring up the bust statement from this years class. But no wonder, in your pompous universe **** is Holy according to you, batman.

 

[Nightman]

Actually the worst case scenario is that we draft Goff (or whoever) as a QB at #4 and he turns out to be Ryan Leaf. You waste your pick at #4, you use up your cap on a nonproductive player, you delude yourself into thinking that you have your next franchise QB in the wings and pass on other true franchise QB's because you have been lulled into a false sense of security, and by the time you figure out he is a bust, there isn't a true franchise guy on the board and you reach again because you are desperate, repeating the process yet again... LOL. I think that is much worse, but that's just me. LOL.

You can't ASSUME that the top guys are franchise QBs. They either have the grade or they don't. Many draft experts are saying that the best QB's in this class would go late first round or maybe the second round in most years. That doesn't give me a warm fuzzy feeling, but again, that;'s just me. Hopefully whatever the Cowboys do, they get it right.

To me it is like Pascal's Wager

The idea of getting the next Aaron Rodgers outweighs any advantage of believing otherwise

 

[Verdict]

A bust after 1 season? With few snaps if at all in regular season (if Tony is healthy)?

Actually, the fact that you

lol. You were referring to a poster on taking a qb in 2017. So you bring up the bust statement from this years class. But no wonder, in your pompous universe **** is Holy according to you, batman.

I never even mentioned a time frame on the term bust. It is bad if he is a bust regardless of the time frame, at least from my point of view. It might be worse if we took longer to figure it out, but to me the term bust means "he sucks and can't play" for whatever reason. But hey, that's just my viewpoint. Others might think that a player we draft busting to be a good thing. But I don't share that view.

 

[Verdict]

What is so funny is that I'm not against taking the QB IF THE GRADE IS THERE. But I'm not of the WE MUST TAKE A QB NO MATTER WHAT CAMP.

 

[Galian Beast]

Setting their franchise back 6 to 7 years might be a bit too extreme a statement, but I agree that it would be at least three years of a hole to crawl out of. We need to stop swinging for the fences on every pick and fill the roster with largely strong can't miss type of players. We need to adequately fill tons of holes with good solid football players who want to play the game.

I'm not sure about 6-7 years, but it definitely does set you back usually at least 3 or 4 years, not to mention as he said, you miss out on that franchise player.

I've always maintained that if the Cowboys had drafted steven jackson instead of trading down that we would have won a super bowl, if not multiple super bowls.

 

[Galian Beast]

Every first round pick has risks. So what? What did we gain by picking Terrence Newman and Claiborne with high picks? Did Greg Ellis put us over the top? Heck, he picked a HOF OLB/DE with a relatively high pick and it did little for the fortunes of this franchise. QB is the most important position that will have the greatest impact. We can close our eyes and try for the once in a lifetime Tom Brady approach or we can try what Pitt, Baltimore and others, INCLUDING Dallas, have done that led to SB's.

Those teams all built defenses and relied on their defenses not their QBs.

 

[Galian Beast]

Chronic or not, Romo is one hit and one back injury from being finished. That is clear. One would think the brain trust would plan for that, especially since they were all there when Aikman suddenly quit. Jerry thought Troy had 4-5 years left too.

But I use the term brain trust loosely. I see little evidence of brain cells functioning at Valley Ranch based on Jerrys rambling.

Aikman didn't quit, he was cut. Jerry didn't think he had 4-5 years left. You created that entire narrative for yourself.

 

[Galian Beast]

For people who continue to push this Troy Aikman narrative. Please tell me what QB in the first round, the Cowboys could have drafted that you think would have saved the franchise.

 

[Nightman]

For people who continue to push this Troy Aikman narrative. Please tell me what QB in the first round, the Cowboys could have drafted that you think would have saved the franchise.

Drew Brees

 

[Verdict]

To me it is like Pascal's Wager

The idea of getting the next Aaron Rodgers outweighs any advantage of believing otherwise

Well, you could draft Quincy Carter and think you have AAron Ro

I'm not sure about 6-7 years, but it definitely does set you back usually at least 3 or 4 years, not to mention as he said, you miss out on that franchise player.

I've always maintained that if the Cowboys had drafted steven jackson instead of trading down that we would have won a super bowl, if not multiple super bowls.

We would have most likely been a better team with Jackson instead of the two player we drafted with the picks.

 

[Galian Beast]

Drew Brees

Brees was a 2nd round draft pick.