Fish Reports: Cowboys want Dak but not for long

[Flamma]

He doesn't wanna go cold turkey at the position. Let's be honest, Dak has the regular season covered, it's the postseason he's trying to break through. Two years will give Jerry one last chance to see if he can do which also grooming his replacement.

He doesn't have the regular season covered. It's pretty much any high profile game. We just focus on playoffs because they are usually all high profile games. We didn't compete against the 49ers or Bills last year. This isn't just last year. we don't compete against a Brady led Patriots team when they were good. Or the Chiefs. Dak flashes against average to crap teams. That's it. It's not just the playoffs. He also has no comeback ability when the team is down in the regular season. If he struggles from the start, he struggles all game.

 

[khiladi]

My knee jerk reaction to this development is this is one of the dumbest things Jerry has done and that’s saying something because he’s done some really dumb things. I’m going to put my personal opinion on signing him aside and look at this from a bird’s eye view.
1. I’m completely shocked Jerry wants a short term deal and Dak wants a long term deal. I need you cap guys to explain this to me if I’m wrong. But wouldn’t a longer deal help the team deal with the already cap credit card of 40 million and spread out the signing bonus on the extension. That tells me Dak wanted to do a team friendly contract that gives us flexibility and Jerry is saying no. That’s if I understand it right.

2. If Jerry doesn’t want to commit long term to Dak then why even bother doing a 2 year deal? It seems to me that Dak wants to retire a Cowboy and Jerry doesn’t believe in him to sign him long term. So if you don’t believe in the guy then why didn’t you try and trade him early in the offseason so we can get something for him. If you’ve lost faith in him then why sign him for 2 years? Cut or trade him now and let’s start the rebuild.

3. I feel like Jerry is throwing away 2024 by his decision making. We could have done this in March, not 2 days before the season starts. In March Jerry should have told Dak we lost faith in you and we’re only going to sign you as a 2 year rental while we look for your replacement. You’re free to look around for better offers and if you find one we’ll trade you, obviously if you waive the NTC. Dak could have gotten his 60 million payday this season and we could have gotten compensation. Horrible mismanagement.

4. Jerry is a bad GM and a bad owner. I don’t know how anyone can stand up for this guy.

I don’t think Jerry even wants to give him a 2 year deal. Dak is already on contract for one year. He’s probably just set to let it play-out, as he’s been fooled enough by regular season “success”. Even last year, the original changes to the offense didn’t benefit the team and they had to make some major changes after the bye. They had success against bad teams once again, but sucked against good teams.

Remember, this is from one source, and she may be rehashing the general vibe in Dallas, which is Jerry doesn’t have faith in Dak, it’s not about money. But by the time it got to her from the source, it turned into additional speculation based on that general vibe.

Does every employee know what the owner is thinking in a company?

For all we know, it could be the agent, Dak and his fanboys spinning Jerry into not having faith in him, into a narrative that makes it look better. When in reality the core issue of Jerry not believing in Dak is right at center here.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Don’t forget, the same defense that Dak fanboys say sucks played elite against the same bad teams Dak “lit up”…. Yet they have no problems trashing the defense.. heck, if anything the defense showed up more against good teams than Dak did..

I'm not a move on from Dak no matter what guy, I think it simply depends on the structure of the contract, however this is exactly why I really dont fear moving on from Dak. So much is made up of how great the Cowboys defense played under Rush a couple years ago and how they are to credit for the wins that year, but ultimately the Cowboys defense gave up 13.6 PPG in the Cowboys wins in 2023. In 2022 in the wins under Rush they gave up 13.25 PPG.

The NFL pushes offenses because they get ratings, however its still true in the NFL that you can win games through your defense. For the most part if you allow under 20 points in a game you're going to win that game.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Video starts at the relevant portion. Fish knows the Athletic reporter and that she has sources inside The Star. Essentially, it's not the APY that is the sticking issue, it's the Cowboys unwillingness to give Dak long-term security with the team.

As I had been saying to some folks, the party that cares (or can afford to care the least) almost always has the leverage. Dak wants the Cowboys more than they want him.

How does this change anything anyone has said? I think we all already knew the 2 sides dont agree on what they want....FA is the market and thats on Dak's teams side...Question has Dak agreed to a shorter deal with the Cowboys? Why do you think that is?

 

[khiladi]

How does this change anything anyone has said? I think we all already knew the 2 sides dont agree on what they want....FA is the market and thats on Dak's teams side...Question has Dak agreed to a shorter deal with the Cowboys? Why do you think that is?

We all don’t know what they want.

This report says Jerry and the FO doesn’t believe Dak can get it done.

Dak is still on contract for one more year. Why does Jerry need to do anything, if he already is paying less for that year, and everybody knows Jerry doesn’t have faith in Dak to get it done, but had no problems paying market value if he did?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Surprised at this report. Would think it would be reversed. Taking it with a grain of salt.

Actually, it’s accurate if Dak wants a 4 year deal and the Cowboys want a 0 year deal.

 

[mmohican29]

He doesn't have the regular season covered. It's pretty much any high profile game. We just focus on playoffs because they are usually all high profile games. We didn't compete against the 49ers or Bills last year. This isn't just last year. we don't compete against a Brady led Patriots team when they were good. Or the Chiefs. Dak flashes against average to crap teams. That's it. It's not just the playoffs. He also has no comeback ability when the team is down in the regular season. If he struggles from the start, he struggles all game.

This is a bit extreme. He's done more than flash. He's a plus-NFL QB.

That said, I'm generally with you on your points.

He mostly folds against top teams, and will flop when least expected. He no longer rises to the occasion. He's had multiple chances to do so.

He's understandably not the same warrior as he was prior to his injury- but there's a choke factor he's inherited.

I let him walk: unless he appears and plays wellin the NFC Title game.

I'd actually roll with Lance sooner than later to see what he can do or can't. Either way- you're targeting a QB high in the draft in 2025.

 

[Bullflop]

I'm totally willing to accept whatever comes of the upcoming fate that's in store for both the Cowboys and Dak. I think a change is best for all who are concerned, due to the fact that both sides have hard feelings over their mutual dissatisfaction with how things have developed in the past. A change of scene would likely be welcomed for both the team and many, if not most, of its fans. In any case, I wouldn't mind what happens, either way.

 

[JoeKing]

It's time to draft Dak's replacement. An extension for Dak of two or three years is perfect.

 

[Creeper]

I have a hard time listening to this guy. He can seem to get a sentence out and make a point concisely. Maybe he doesn't want to because he needs to fill the minutes. IDK.

But I do not buy this story. Why would the Cowboys want a 2 or 3 year deal when they are facing paying him $60 million, plus the $40 million in dead money in voidable years on his current contract? This could potentially make their CAP issues worse. Maybe it's a plan to get Dak's CAP impact off the books faster? Doesn;t make sense. Plus, its not like the Cowboys have a developmental QB on the roster behind Dak waiting for his turn. If they think Lance is that guy, we are in worse shape as fans than we thought.

Maybe the Cowboys are thinking Dak will be far less effective when he is 36 or 37 and at that point they need to have a replacement for him anyway?

 

[HungryLion]

This is stupid. They sign him for two years and we are back in the same spot we are in now in 2026.


Just move on man. Sign a vet in free agency and draft a qb in April

I agree 100%

You either want him or you don’t.

Also signing a QB. You need a long term deal to spread that cap hit out. A couple year deal means a massive cap hit every season.

Honestly, this report just drives home how incompetent the FO is.

 

[Flamma]

This is a bit extreme. He's done more than flash. He's a plus-NFL QB.

That said, I'm generally with you on your points.

He mostly folds against top teams, and will flop when least expected. He no longer rises to the occasion. He's had multiple chances to do so.

He's understandably not the same warrior as he was prior to his injury- but there's a choke factor he's inherited.

I let him walk: unless he appears and plays wellin the NFC Title game.

I'd actually roll with Lance sooner than later to see what he can do or can't. Either way- you're targeting a QB high in the draft in 2025.

The comeback against Philly in 2016 was great. I haven't seen him do that since. He's not that QB anymore. Maybe he needs a Zeke for that to happen. Hell, Romo was at his best when he had a great run game.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You are following an Eagles troll. He accidentally finally admitted as much early this summer but quickly deleted his comment after realizing his mistake and hoping no one noticed. Too bad a few of us caught it and took a screen shot for proof. As you can see, you and others are supporting an Eagles troll and have fallen into his web of deceit. Good luck following him and his Eagles team. Heck, he even uses Siriani's face as his avatar picture. It doesn't get any more pathetic than that for a "so called" Cowboys fan.

If he were a REAL philthy fan why would he use such a pathetic photo?

Oh I get it...clever misdirection, right?

 

[HungryLion]

I don’t think Jerry even wants to give him a 2 year deal. Dak is already on contract for one year. He’s probably just set to let it play-out, as he’s been fooled enough by regular season “success”. Even last year, the original changes to the offense didn’t benefit the team and they had to make some major changes after the bye. They had success against bad teams once again, but sucked against good teams.

Remember, this is from one source, and she may be rehashing the general vibe in Dallas, which is Jerry doesn’t have faith in Dak, it’s not about money. But by the time it got to her from the source, it turned into additional speculation based on that general vibe.

Does every employee know what the owner is thinking in a company?

For all we know, it could be the agent, Dak and his fanboys spinning Jerry into not having faith in him, into a narrative that makes it look better. When in reality the core issue of Jerry not believing in Dak is right at center here.

Honestly. I have zero faith in Jerry. I think he sucks as a GM.

If anything they belief has made me want to move on even more.

You and I can disagree about how good Dak is. I think he is a good but not great QB. You think he isn’t even good. That’s fine. No need to rehash that.

My belief is: there is no way the Jones boys running the front office can win a Super Bowl unless they have a freaking amazingly elite QB.

We need the next first ballot HoF QB. That’s the only type of person that could drag the incompetent Jones FO over the finish line.

Obviously the chances of that happening are tough. But we may as well move on from Dak, start drafting QB’s And try.

 

[starfan1]

If he were a REAL philthy fan why would he use such a pathetic photo?

Oh I get it...clever misdirection, right?

I mean its pretty clear. All of that is part of his schtick. That pic being used has purpose. I don't think for a second hes an eagles fan. Just a huge troll whose goal is to divide the site. Mission accomplished! our world is full of division even in places you go to escape it.

 

[Staubacher]

Jerrah treating Dak like a parking lot stripper. How ironic.

 

[America's Cowboy]

The only question I have is why would an EAGLES fan want us to get rid of a qb that has continuously failed in the playoffs?

Niners and Packers fans that I know want us to make Dak the HIGHEST paid Qb in the league, specifically so we won't remain a threat AND we will lessen the ability to bring in real FA help...

...I'm starting to wonder if Boys fans who want our QB to break the bank are really the true trolls

Our fans should want our players to be compensated commensurate with production in the regular season and playoffs....and ONLY because a salary cap exists and how it effects our roster.

I've been against Dak being paid top record pay, so don't include me with those "top overall pay" Dak supporters.

As for the Eagles troll, he wants Dak gone because Dak OWNS HIS EAGLES!!!

 

[America's Cowboy]

Nice deflection

It's a fact. Now go kiss and follow that Eagles troll.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

He doesn't have the regular season covered.

Are you serious? So three straight 12-5 seasons are coincidences? C'mon man......as stated, he has some postseason issues to overcome but the fact is he is going either get you to the playoffs or very close to it. That was my point.....I don't get into win or loss against so-called crappy teams coz they play what's in front of them. To say Dak hasn't won tough regular season games is not true. Has he struggled with some, of course, just as many other QBs but he has won some. I'm sure I can review his last 36 wins and find some tough games he won but as stated, my point is he get can get you to the playoffs. That's what I meant by him having the postseason covered.....JMO

 

[America's Cowboy]

Fly Eagles Fly.

America’s Raider coming to a Raider message board near you!

Try to deflect all you want. You've been exposed Eagles troll!