Fish: What if it's Gibbs, not Bijan Robinson?

[CowboyRoy]

He runs upright, for his size he's not a bruiser. I dont know if he'd get them tough yards Elliot got. Kinda the deal with these tcu players. Bigger guys that don't have that big player mentality.

WE can disagree on that too. I dont think he runs upright.

Zeke tough yards? You mean run into people? Looks like you didnt watch much of Miller it sounds like to me.

You see Isreal as a tougher runner? Were seeing two different things.

 

[zrinkill]

I get this point but the entire league isn’t really doing the Bell cow back thing anymore.

Carrying the load is 15 touches now days.

Plus this guy can play WR I believe.

Felix Jones was great until they tried to bulk him up and Jason Garrett ruined him.

I’ll never forget the Bengals game his rookie year I believe it was when he just wouldn’t let him on the field.

Dude if they take him that high ...... I hope you are right

Hope I get fat on crow next year.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Gibbs is an elite receiver. Elite speed on outside rushes. Has an extra gear at top that Pollard doesn’t. That’s no knock on Tony as he’s yet to be caught from behind.

He’s the X factor you put him out there and defenses don’t know to stop him.

He takes the screens, the tosses, runs routes etc.

If you watch film and Alabama struggled, they would give him the ball and he’d make plays.

Pollard is as big play as it gets. Show me another back in the NFL that has the big plays he does. Gibbs would be lucky to have that kind of speed in the pros. Pollard can catch like an elite back can. They just didnt use him well enough that way in Dallas.

Gibbs in NOT a guy to run up the middle or get the tough yards. Pollard has shown he can do that and excel at it. Give me the UCLA back. You team him with Pollard and have the perfect combination. If we move on from Pollard next year then Charbonnet can take over and do it all. YOu move on from Pollard with GIbbs and you have to turn around and draft another back high next season.

 

[CATCH17]

Dude if they take him that high ...... I hope you are right

Hope I get fat on crow next year.

Dudes a playmaker and easy to get the ball to.

Come playoff time when it gets harder to throw the ball you’ll be happy we have a guy that can score from anywhere on the field with a simple handoff.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I’d be great with Gibbs at 26. He’s going to be such a weapon. He can take a little dump off and turn it into an explosive play.

If he is the pick, then the defense won’t be able to relax when Pollard isn’t in the game. Last year, when Pollard went out, defenses didn’t have to worry about Elliott gashing them. They could just flood the passing lanes and if it was a handoff to Zeke, they weren’t scared of that.

San Francisco pretty much said that last year in the Divisional Playoff game, and once Pollard was out of the game, their defense had it made.

Add Cooks at WR and Gibbs at RB to that playoff game and it is an entirely different story.

Yes I’d like Gibbs at 26.

Heck you could get Deuce in the 6th round and do dump offs if you wanted to spell Pollard. No sense in burning a first rounder on him.

 

[doomsday9084]

What does Gibbs bring ... that Pollard does not ?

Same type players

Using a first round pick on a speedy finesse all purpose back.. that we already have ..?

And Pollard is a Pro Bowler now. He's awell known weapon around the NFL now.

• I suspect Pollard is gone after this year.
• Most teams platoon RB's nowadays and Dallas certainly will.
• The offense was noticeably better with Pollard on the field than Zeke. Imagine two Pollards.

Overall, I kind of doubt that Dallas gets Gibbs and I trust their judgment. If they do happen to get Gibbs, I get it and I'm not going to complain.

 

[Carson]

Pollard is as big play as it gets. Show me another back in the NFL that has the big plays he does. Gibbs would be lucky to have that kind of speed in the pros. Pollard can catch like an elite back can. They just didnt use him well enough that way in Dallas.

Gibbs in NOT a guy to run up the middle or get the tough yards. Pollard has shown he can do that and excel at it. Give me the UCLA back. You team him with Pollard and have the perfect combination. If we move on from Pollard next year then Charbonnet can take over and do it all. YOu move on from Pollard with GIbbs and you have to turn around and draft another back high next season.

See this is the problem when people ask about players and what they bring. This isn’t knocking Tony nor is Gibbs here to take his job.

Gibbs is a much better and more natural pass catcher and better running to the outside. Pollard gives you the tough yards up the middle, will be your lead back.

The plus is they will be great complimenting each other.

Charbonnet is one hell of a back. He’s also a massive Cowboys fan.

But Charbonnet is not the game changer that Gibbs is.

 

[CATCH17]

Gibbs is an elite receiver. Elite speed on outside rushes. Has an extra gear at top that Pollard doesn’t. That’s no knock on Tony as he’s yet to be caught from behind.

He’s the X factor you put him out there and defenses don’t know to stop him.

He takes the screens, the tosses, runs routes etc.

If you watch film and Alabama struggled, they would give him the ball and he’d make plays.

Yep…

Only thing that worries me is the Cowboys coaching staff.

Tony Pollard has stuck out like a sore thumb for a few years and until this past season they just refused to get him on the field more.

Like Pollard is a legit WR talent too and he’s never used.

So if we draft Gibbs it has to become a priority to get him split out at times with someone who is more built like a bowling ball on the field.

Jamyr Gibbs would just be so exciting.

I think the best pick we can make is Darnell Wright but Gibbs kinda changes how explosive this offense can be.

 

[Carson]

Heck you could get Deuce in the 6th round and do dump offs if you wanted to spell Pollard. No sense in burning a first rounder on him.

Deuces dad is a key scout for the Cowboys. I fully expect them to find a way to take him late.

But he is limited. Very limited in pass protection and is better suited as your #3 and special teams guy. People compare him to Sproles, but I don’t believe Vaughn is as game changing as Sproles was.

 

[CATCH17]

Gibbs is an elite receiver. Elite speed on outside rushes. Has an extra gear at top that Pollard doesn’t. That’s no knock on Tony as he’s yet to be caught from behind.

He’s the X factor you put him out there and defenses don’t know to stop him.

He takes the screens, the tosses, runs routes etc.

If you watch film and Alabama struggled, they would give him the ball and he’d make plays.

Here is another thing..

We all think Bijan is awesome.

But..

It’s nice seeing Gibbs rip apart SEC defenses week after week just for confirmation.

 

[CATCH17]

Deuces dad is a key scout for the Cowboys. I fully expect them to find a way to take him late.

But he is limited. Very limited in pass protection and is better suited as your #3 and special teams guy. People compare him to Sproles, but I don’t believe Vaughn is as game changing as Sproles was.

Whoever gets Deuce Vaughn I expect will get one of the steals of the draft.

He’s going to be a heck of a return man and a heck of a player for some team and he’ll get drafted in probably the 6th round.

 

[CATCH17]

• I suspect Pollard is gone after this year.
• Most teams platoon RB's nowadays and Dallas certainly will.
• The offense was noticeably better with Pollard on the field than Zeke. Imagine two Pollards.

Overall, I kind of doubt that Dallas gets Gibbs and I trust their judgment. If they do happen to get Gibbs, I get it and I'm not going to complain.

That’s the thing.

You can move on from Pollard and his cap hit.

Pollard keeps getting these lower body injuries too.

Pollards the man and he’s been awesome to watch but you just can’t give him a big contract.

He’ll be 26 after the season and that’s when things get risky for these RBs. Better just to draft fresh legs.

 

[morasp]

I like him starting in round 2 or a trade down and getting more picks.

Mayer as just a straight up pick does nothing for me and all it does for Dallas is give them a solid TE for a decade.

I hear what you're saying I wouldn't mind a mismatch player as long as he had a high floor and wasn't boom/bust.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Deuces dad is a key scout for the Cowboys. I fully expect them to find a way to take him late.

But he is limited. Very limited in pass protection and is better suited as your #3 and special teams guy. People compare him to Sproles, but I don’t believe Vaughn is as game changing as Sproles was.

Yah, just a little scat back that can play SP teams and catch a few screens a game or dump offs.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Gibbs to Dallas is picking up steam. He is a really good offensive weapon. He can play RB or in the slot, and has great hands.

He may be a better offensive weapon that any of the WRs available at pick 26.

Those who have been picking Dallas to draft Robinson are finally realizing what most of have been saying for months - he won't be there at 26.

Gibbs is by far a better weapon than a WR weapon, I'm just not sure I want him at 26.

A small trade down to get an extra 3rd rounder would be my ideal scenario. I'd love having 4 day two picks.

 

[AsthmaField]

Heck you could get Deuce in the 6th round and do dump offs if you wanted to spell Pollard. No sense in burning a first rounder on him.

That is like saying why spend a first round pick on an OL when you can just get a guy to block in the 6th round, if that’s what you want.

Clearly, the first round guys are a lot better players.

I believe there is a very big difference between Gibbs and backs that can be had in the mid-rounds, obviously, or you’re right… I wouldn’t want to spend a late first on him. What Gibbs has in his physical traits and what he has with his vision and instincts, isn’t an easy combination to find, IMO.

But, I understand that you don’t want to use a first round pick on him, and I understand why. It is something that you aren’t alone on, for sure.

It is something that I agree with much of the time. However, in this case, I just think he’d be worth the pick.

I’m ready to find out what the team is actually going to do. They very well might agree with you.

 

[AsthmaField]

Those who have been picking Dallas to draft Robinson are finally realizing what most of have been saying for months - he won't be there at 26.

Gibbs is by far a better weapon than a WR weapon, I'm just not sure I want him at 26.

A small trade down to get an extra 3rd rounder would be my ideal scenario. I'd love having 4 day two picks.

I think there is a very real chance that Philly picks Gibbs at 30 if Dallas doesn’t take him. Heck Buffalo could take him right after Dallas picks.

If they want him, they better not try to move back for him IMO.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That is like saying why spend a first round pick on an OL when you can just get a guy to block in the 6th round, if that’s what you want.

Clearly, the first round guys are a lot more talented.

I believe there is a very big difference between Gibbs and backs that can be had in the mid-rounds, obviously, or you’re right… I wouldn’t want to spend a late first on him. What Gibbs has in his physical traits and what he has with his vision and instincts, isn’t an easy combination to find, IMO.

But, I understand that you don’t want to use a first round pick on him, and I understand why. It is something that you aren’t alone on, for sure.

It is something that I agree with much of the time. However, in this case, I just think he’d be worth the pick.

I’m ready to find out what the team is actually going to do. They very well might agree with you.

The way you described using Gibbs it was for a part time player to take some dump offs and screens when Pollard wasnt in the game. Why spend a first on that?

IF your blowing a first pick on a low value position like RB, he better be an amazing all around back like Robinson that can do it all. Thats not Gibbs.

 

[Hoofbite]

What if it's uncle Rico?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think there is a very real chance that Philly picks Gibbs at 30 if Dallas doesn’t take him. Heck Buffalo could take him right after Dallas picks.

If they want him, they better not try to move back for him IMO.

YOu cant run your drafts based on what Philly might do. They have the #1 Oline in the NFL and a much more complete offense. WE cant afford to burn a first round pick on a back. STill need to fix the Oline.