Flip-flopping on McFadden

[dbair1967]

An interesting tidbit from an article I saw this morning:


"I recently did an running back analysis for another publication and many of the combine studs fizzled in the NFL. Derrick Blaylock, Tatum Bell and particularly Michael Bennett should be amassing Hall of Fame credentials by now. Bennett even clocked a 4.13 at his pro day in Wisconsin, supposedly the fastest time ever for an NFL player. He went over 1,200 yards as a rookie and has bounced around the league since."

Not a McFadden condemnation, but food for thought.

Rampage brought up the Herschel Walker deal in a debate regarding McFadden. It struck me that we would be playing the role of the Vikings this time around.

sorry dude, thats just about as way off as possible...we're talking about giving up 2 or 3 picks for one guys, not 8 picks and 5 players

as for the Bennett, Blaylock, Bell comparison, whoever decided they were similar to McFadden in anything other than 1) playing the RB position and 2) maybe being fast needs to put the crack pipe down

David

 

[Sarge]

McFadden's the only RB I'd take in the 1st rd...after that I do agree, there's little sense in taking one in the first.

There are still some variables with Barber though too. As much as we all love him, he has never had to be THE guy, never had carry a load. There's 6 yrs of college and pro history to that. That doesnt mean he CANT do it, but its definitely something that has to be proved. The other issue is his contract. First he isnt signed to one, he's tendered as a 1st and 3rd. There's no guarantee he'll play under that deal and he reportedly wants alot of money. Is now the right time to commit a huge contract for him, or would be better served to see what he does this yr?
David

If there is one postion that is easiest to draft for - it's the RB position. I don't know what everyone's problem with Barber is.......he's looked awesome to me....and no, he has not proven himself as a fulltime back but neither has McFadden at this level. I'm not knockin' McFaddster, but what I don't get is some people's misconception that we are all fine and dandy in our secondary which is a disaster. Lord help us if Newman get's hurt.

Get a RB ANYWHERE in the draft, but we need NOT trade 2 first rounders for a guy who will be splitting time with another guy who made the ProBowl last year playing PART TIME.

This is common sense to me. I am perplexed by the number of people who do not see our CB as a MAJOR, MAJOR problem and area of need.

I love McFadster, but this is NOT the year to be gettting cute with that type of maneuver.

Sorry David......just don't see it.

Carry on.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I love McFadster, but this is NOT the year to be gettting cute with that type of maneuver.

That is a much kinder word than I would have used.

 

[Sarge]

That is a much kinder word than I would have used.

Ya, it took me some time to come up with the correct adjective there.

 

[CATCH17]

What makes you have to believe Jerry would go after McFadden is he has been hinting at adding a "WOW PLAYER" since the offseason began.

Its no secret our organization really likes his talent as well.

Things are going to get super interesting in this next month.

 

[Dhragon]

No way do I trade 2 first round picks for McFadden when we already have a Pro Bowl RB on board and serious needs at both CB and WR. No brainer is right.

We have a Probowl Strong Safety on our roster too. Probowls aren't always the best indicator. We need a RB who can take it to the house.

 

[Dhragon]

If there is one postion that is easiest to draft for - it's the RB position. I don't know what everyone's problem with Barber is.......he's looked awesome to me....and no, he has not proven himself as a fulltime back but neither has McFadden at this level. I'm not knockin' McFaddster, but what I don't get is some people's misconception that we are all fine and dandy in our secondary which is a disaster. Lord help us if Newman get's hurt.

Get a RB ANYWHERE in the draft, but we need NOT trade 2 first rounders for a guy who will be splitting time with another guy who made the ProBowl last year playing PART TIME.

This is common sense to me. I am perplexed by the number of people who do not see our CB as a MAJOR, MAJOR problem and area of need.

I love McFadster, but this is NOT the year to be gettting cute with that type of maneuver.

Sorry David......just don't see it.

Carry on.

Agree that getting a CB is the biggest need, even if we trade for Pac Man. Yet there IS a difference in potential talent between RBs one can draft. Just saying there are lots of RBs which can be decent so avoid the one most likely to be great is silly.

Are the only CBs of worth in the NFL 1st rounders? If we do get Pac Man and trade for McFadden, that doesn't preclude us trading up in the 2nd and drafting a Flowers or some such CB. It CAN be done.

 

[zrinkill]

No way do I trade 2 first round picks for McFadden when we already have a Pro Bowl RB on board and serious needs at both CB and WR. No brainer is right.

I agree

 

[Sarge]

We have a Probowl Strong Safety on our roster too. Probowls aren't always the best indicator. We need a RB who can take it to the house.

Roy Williams is hardly a Pro Bowler in the true sense of the word and most of us will concede same. He is a liability in pass coverage and we are short on CB's. So let's just toss in our 2 first rounders and pay McFadden crazy amounts of paper so he can SPLIT time with a Pro Bowler.

Why one would want to move up in the draft ridding ourselves of 2 first rounders to have a guy split carries is beyond me, given the holes we have at CB, not to mention WR.

Is RB an area of need, yes. It's a question of whether it is wise to get rid of 2 first rounders for a guy who will be splitting carries and most likely not even start(assumption, I agree).

We are PAPER THIN at CB. Our strong saftey is a JOKE against the pass...The Peyton Mannings' and Tom Brady's of the world would eat this secondary alive, at which time, our running game isn't gonna mean much..

I'm right and you're wrong............:

 

[Angus]

Agree that getting a CB is the biggest need, even if we trade for Pac Man. Yet there IS a difference in potential talent between RBs one can draft. Just saying there are lots of RBs which can be decent so avoid the one most likely to be great is silly.

Are the only CBs of worth in the NFL 1st rounders? If we do get Pac Man and trade for McFadden, that doesn't preclude us trading up in the 2nd and drafting a Flowers or some such CB. It CAN be done.

Nobody that I know of is suggesting McFadden should be avoided, just not illogically or irresponsibly grasped for.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

we lost 4 games last yr...one of them we made no effort to win...two of the three we lost because the offense didnt do jack (incl the playoff game) and we lost the previous January because of the offense more than the defense as well

:fact:

An interesting tidbit from an article I saw this morning:


"I recently did an running back analysis for another publication and many of the combine studs fizzled in the NFL. Derrick Blaylock, Tatum Bell and particularly Michael Bennett should be amassing Hall of Fame credentials by now. Bennett even clocked a 4.13 at his pro day in Wisconsin, supposedly the fastest time ever for an NFL player. He went over 1,200 yards as a rookie and has bounced around the league since."

Not a McFadden condemnation, but food for thought.

I don't understand... Did you mean to say Chris Johnson?

McFadden's reputation wasn't built at the combine -- it was built on the football field the last two years in the best league in the country.

 

[Doomsday101]

While I think the move to get McFadden is very risky I no doubt would love to have a player of his caliber but this move does come with risk.

 

[Rampage]

An interesting tidbit from an article I saw this morning:


"I recently did an running back analysis for another publication and many of the combine studs fizzled in the NFL. Derrick Blaylock, Tatum Bell and particularly Michael Bennett should be amassing Hall of Fame credentials by now. Bennett even clocked a 4.13 at his pro day in Wisconsin, supposedly the fastest time ever for an NFL player. He went over 1,200 yards as a rookie and has bounced around the league since."

Not a McFadden condemnation, but food for thought.

Rampage brought up the Herschel Walker deal in a debate regarding McFadden. It struck me that we would be playing the role of the Vikings this time around.

all i said about that was i was watching a show and they were talking about that trade. jerry jones said and i quote "with the multiple picks we got the mentality of risk taking". now that got me thinking since people said jerry won't do that again from the risk he took on galloway(even though galloway is pretty good when he has a decent qb throwing to him. A lot of us thought jerry cooled down with the risk taking during parcells' 1st 2 years with us. but than jerry takes a risk and signs Terrell Owens. Parcells leaves and jerry took another risk signing bigg Davis to a BIGG contract and changing his position after many labeled him a bust. half way through last season jerry takes yet another risk on Tank Johnson who just got done serving jail time and a suspension. just a few days ago we hear jerry is interested in another risk taking move by trading for Adam "Pacman" Jones. now with those signings and probably another to come in pacman jerry has been quite the risk taker lately. the quote above could get you thinking since #1 we have multiple draft picks in the 1st and 6th round. #2 everybody knows the jones like mcfadden. #3 jerry is known to get a certain player if he thinks it can help bring a championship. #4 in my opinion we will not address the wr position until next year(signing Roy after he becomes a free agent) plus they drafted stanglass and i don't see a big time wr in this draft other than kelly who would be gone before we had the chance to get him. just my opinion on this mcfadden fiasco

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

We are not gonna burn two 1st-round draft picks for an RB.
Why did Jerra make such a fuss over keeping Barber?

Jerra is smart enough to know we need help at CB (even with Pac-Man on board in such a scenario) safety, WR and power pass rushers.

God loves the Cowboys and he made the Browns win a lot more games than we thought, but for a reason.

He wants us to avoid burning our hard-earned picks and instead go for players we really need.
Thank you, heavenly father for loving the Cowboys and especially, above all, for loving me. Amen

 

[dbair1967]

We are PAPER THIN at CB. Our strong saftey is a JOKE against the pass...The Peyton Mannings' and Tom Brady's of the world would eat this secondary alive, at which time, our running game isn't gonna mean much..

I'm right and you're wrong............:

yet Payton Manning didnt eat this seondary alive when we played them the yr before, and Brady played us when we didnt have Henry and Newman was playing at far less than 100%...

when they are healthy, Newman and Henry are one of the top CB tandems in the league...to suggest we are "paper thin" is exaggeration IMO, there are very few teams with a CB atndem as good as they are...do we need a nickel CB and maybe even a 4th CB? yeah...but those guys can easily be found...Reeves and Jones were about as average as you get, almost anyone we stick out there drafted in the first 4 or 5 rounds will do at LEAST what they did, and most likely be a rather significant improvement


David

 

[theogt]

Why on earth would anyone ever consider spending two 1st round picks on a backup RB? Seriously, a backup RB. A guy that'll be lucky to get 150 touches all season, and who AT THE ABSOLUTE BEST would have about 1 yard per carry more than a back we could draft in the 3rd. Is 150 yards per season worth two first round picks?

 

[speedkilz88]

Why on earth would anyone ever consider spending two 1st round picks on a backup RB? Seriously, a backup RB. A guy that'll be lucky to get 150 touches all season, and who AT THE ABSOLUTE BEST would have about 1 yard per carry more than a back we could draft in the 3rd. Is 150 yards per season worth two first round picks?

Yep, those Vikings are idiots! Idiots I tell you!

 

[CATCH17]

Why on earth would anyone ever consider spending two 1st round picks on a backup RB? Seriously, a backup RB. A guy that'll be lucky to get 150 touches all season, and who AT THE ABSOLUTE BEST would have about 1 yard per carry more than a back we could draft in the 3rd. Is 150 yards per season worth two first round picks?

If McFadden lives up to his hype then we are far and beyond the Superbowl favorites.

If giving up "to much" wins you a Superbowl than its worth it.

 

[theogt]

Yep, those Vikings are idiots! Idiots I tell you!

What do the Vikings have to do with anything?

 

[theogt]

If McFadden lives up to his hype then we are far and beyond the Superbowl favorites.

If giving up "to much" wins you a Superbowl than its worth it.

That is absolutely absurd. Even if McFadden is everything he's hyped up to be he adds very little to this team. An extra yard per carry out of a backup running back isn't going to "put you over the top." That's ridiculous.