Flip-flopping on McFadden

[Stash]

again I say what difference does it make? How many teams have had multiple 1st rd picks the past few years AND were coming off 13-3 seasons with 13 or so pro bowlers? Not alot of teams get into the position we are in

Again, see the Vikings. They were a playoff team who felt they were one player - a running back - away. And Herschel Walker had a much better resume than McFadden ever will. Didn't work out for them.

Not really...McFadden is very arguably the best player in the draft and vastly improves our offense, in addition to adding a very explosive player capable of making game changing plays...opposing defenses will have to account for him and game plan around him, improving the effectiveness of what was already a very good passing game...none of the CB's in this draft come anywhere near the grade McFadden has...after him I am all with you, I wouldnt even consider taking a RB in the first rd unless its him because there are alot of decent RB prospects who can be had outside rd 1

Sorry, but I'm not as sold on him as some are. I don't think he's as good as Peterson is and I wonder how he'll do when he simply can't run faster than everyone else.

 

[theogt]

ok...whatever Theo...Cason is alot closer to a 2nd rd talent that McFadden is, and Rice is nowhere near a 1st rd talent

What can I say? I couldn't disagree more. Honestly, my opinion of that statement is that it's mind-bogglingly stupid.

he was in on defense for all 13 games we won too wasnt he? And he was probably on the field at some point in the 2nd half of that playoff game too wasnt he? They scored a whopping 7 pts in the 2nd half...D forced two 3 and outs with the game on the line, and our offense blew it...we scored 76 pts on that team the first two games, 17 the last one...anyone who continues to say the defense lost the game and the offense had nothing to do with it is delusional...just like the Seattle game the yr before...the defense did enough to win the game, and the offense blew it

David

And Julius Jones was in on all 13 games and we won too? Should we have kept him? Our problem all season and in the playoffs wasn't our #2 running back. It was a 3rd corner.

 

[Stash]

did Reeves lose the game for us? Because my memory of the game was of them basically having two or three decent series on offense. We gave up 230 yds of total offense to them, held one of the top rushing offenses in the league to under 100 yds...yet for the 2nd straight yr our offense stunk in the postseason and we were one and done. So no, I am not nuts. We have a loaded team with an outside possibility of getting the best player in the draft at a position where he can make a legit impact. I also have vidid memories of our offense doing nothing at home against Philly two staright years in December, and remember us managing a franchise record worst rushing performance to close this past season

Yeah.

He did.

The difference in the game was the drive to end the half.

When Reeves allowed the Giants to walk down the field in 45 seconds after the Cowboys methodically worked to gain the lead and the momentum.

 

[dbair1967]

What can I say? I couldn't disagree more. Honestly, my opinion of that statement is that it's mind-bogglingly stupid.

And Julius Jones was in on all 13 games and we won too? Should we have kept him? Our problem all season and in the playoffs wasn't our #2 running back. It was a 3rd corner.

guess we'll have to agree to disagree then...

if you cant see we lost the playoff game not only last yr but also the yr before last because the offense failed miserably, I cant do much for you

David

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah.

He did.

The difference in the game was the drive to end the half.

When Reeves allowed the Giants to walk down the field in 45 seconds after the Cowboys methodically worked to gain the lead and the momentum.

Dude, did the game end then? No it didnt...there were 30 more minutes left in that game...we managed a whopping 3 pts in those next 30 minutes...the defense forced two 3 and outs in the 4th qtr and the offense did nothin after either posesssion

David

 

[Stash]

guess we'll have to agree to disagree then...

if you cant see we lost the playoff game not only last yr but also the yr before last because the offense failed miserably, I cant do much for you

David

What part of the offense 'failed' specifically?

We know Reeves 'failed' specifically.

What part of the offense was it that failed?

Backup running back?

 

[Stash]

Dude, did the game end then? No it didnt...there were 30 more minutes left in that game...we managed a whopping 3 pts in those next 30 minutes...the defense forced two 3 and outs in the 4th qtr and the offense did nothin after either posesssion

And was that due to our backup running back failures?

Let's be specific.

As specific as pointing out Reeves' failings anyway.

 

[dbair1967]

And was that due to our backup running back failures?

Let's be specific.

As specific as pointing out Reeves' failings anyway.

you honestly dont see where a guy like a Darren McFadden would have been an improvement to our offense as a whole, especially when compared to Julius Jones? You honestly believe he'd have made NO DIFFERENCE at all?

David

 

[Stash]

you honestly dont see where a guy like a Darren McFadden would have been an improvement to our offense as a whole, especially when compared to Julius Jones? You honestly believe he'd have made NO DIFFERENCE at all?

Of course not.

I know he would be a big improvement.

I'm just not willing to pay the price and to ignore all of the other areas to get him.

Your scenario costs the team two #1's and a #3 and fails to fill two other needs.

It also talks about depending on Pacman Jones to stay out of trouble.

If we stay put, we could fill needs at CB, WR, and RB in the first two rounds and not have to count on Jones. Anything he could provide would be a bonus.

I like McFadden, I'm just not willing to pay the huge price to get him.

 

[dbair1967]

Of course not.

I know he would be a big improvement.

I'm just not willing to pay the price and to ignore all of the other areas to get him.

Your scenario costs the team two #1's and a #3 and fails to fill two other needs.

It also talks about depending on Pacman Jones to stay out of trouble.

If we stay put, we could fill needs at CB, WR, and RB in the first two rounds and not have to count on Jones. Anything he could provide would be a bonus.

I like McFadden, I'm just not willing to pay the huge price to get him.

I just dont see where trading two late 1sts and a late 3rd is a big price to pay, especially if they can get get a nickel CB via trade or in the 2nd rd. McFadden's an elite talent that will change games, none of those guys drafted at 22, 28 or late in the 3rd is likely to have anywhere near the kind of impact he would

as for WR, even if we use a 1st on one of them (regardless of where in the 1st on any of these guys) its highly unlikely IMO that we get anything from this yr, and maybe not even next yr...I really wont be surprised at all if 5yrs down the road the best WR in this draft comes from the 2nd rd or later...I'd rather see us trade one of the firsts for a proven WR (if someone is willing)

David

 

[Chuck 54]

I still don't see that trade happening, but if we somehow did package enough to move up for DMac, you can bet MBIII would never be resigned. At best, we'd see him play his last season in Dallas as the Francised Player as insurance till we see that DMac can be the star imagined...then MBIII would be a FA, and we wouldn't get anything for him.

I just think it would be a bad deal all-around.

I also don't believe we can get Chad or Roy for 1 lowly first round pick...with that pick, Cinncy would be lucky to even get a true first round value in this year's draft.

Besided, if Roy Williams or Chad Johnson can be had for a mere first rounder, I believe there would be plenty of teams selecting between 18 and 22 who would see that as a steal if they were going to use the selection on a WR anyway.

We will see what we will see...It sounds like the next few weeks leading up to draft day are going to be very interesting.

 

[dbair1967]

I still don't see that trade happening, but if we somehow did package enough to move up for DMac, you can bet MBIII would never be resigned. At best, we'd see him play his last season in Dallas as the Francised Player as insurance till we see that DMac can be the star imagined...then MBIII would be a FA, and we wouldn't get anything for him.

or we could franchise him and trade him next yr, and perhaps we get quite a bit for him...looks like a much weaker crop for RB's next yr

I also don't believe we can get Chad or Roy for 1 lowly first round pick...with that pick,

yeah I kinda doubt either would accept only a 1st...maybe a 1st and 3rd, or maybe a 1st and pick next yr

Besided, if Roy Williams or Chad Johnson can be had for a mere first rounder, I believe there would be plenty of teams selecting between 18 and 22 who would see that as a steal if they were going to use the selection on a WR anyway.

Thats one reason I think the price will stay fairly high for them...I think everyone is kinda yawning over this years WR crop

We will see what we will see...It sounds like the next few weeks leading up to draft day are going to be very interesting.

very much agree...and especially that last week before the draft, its gonna be something I think

David

 

[Stash]

I just dont see where trading two late 1sts and a late 3rd is a big price to pay, especially if they can get get a nickel CB via trade or in the 2nd rd. McFadden's an elite talent that will change games, none of those guys drafted at 22, 28 or late in the 3rd is likely to have anywhere near the kind of impact he would

as for WR, even if we use a 1st on one of them (regardless of where in the 1st on any of these guys) its highly unlikely IMO that we get anything from this yr, and maybe not even next yr...I really wont be surprised at all if 5yrs down the road the best WR in this draft comes from the 2nd rd or later...I'd rather see us trade one of the firsts for a proven WR (if someone is willing)

David

Then what about that scenario?

Which would you rather?

A proven wide receiver or McFadden?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course not.

I know he would be a big improvement.

I'm just not willing to pay the price and to ignore all of the other areas to get him.

Your scenario costs the team two #1's and a #3 and fails to fill two other needs.

It also talks about depending on Pacman Jones to stay out of trouble.

If we stay put, we could fill needs at CB, WR, and RB in the first two rounds and not have to count on Jones. Anything he could provide would be a bonus.

I like McFadden, I'm just not willing to pay the huge price to get him.

And that is the point.

Stewart/Talib/Jenkins, Thomas/Sweed/Cason, Rice/Johnson/Smith/Smith/Flowers etc is better than only McFadden. Add in RW, 85 or Boldin for one of those picks and its not even close.

it doesn't matter anyway. VR is not interested in trading up for McFadden so dbairs pie in the sky ranting is pointless.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I still don't see that trade happening, but if we somehow did package enough to move up for DMac, you can bet MBIII would never be resigned. At best, we'd see him play his last season in Dallas as the Francised Player as insurance till we see that DMac can be the star imagined...then MBIII would be a FA, and we wouldn't get anything for him.

I just think it would be a bad deal all-around.

I also don't believe we can get Chad or Roy for 1 lowly first round pick...with that pick, Cinncy would be lucky to even get a true first round value in this year's draft.

Besided, if Roy Williams or Chad Johnson can be had for a mere first rounder, I believe there would be plenty of teams selecting between 18 and 22 who would see that as a steal if they were going to use the selection on a WR anyway.

We will see what we will see...It sounds like the next few weeks leading up to draft day are going to be very interesting.

Which is more likey: Cinci, AZ, or Detroit trying to trade disgruntled WR or NYJ, NE or Oak trading out of the top 10?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just dont see where trading two late 1sts and a late 3rd is a big price to pay, especially if they can get get a nickel CB via trade or in the 2nd rd. McFadden's an elite talent that will change games, none of those guys drafted at 22, 28 or late in the 3rd is likely to have anywhere near the kind of impact he would

as for WR, even if we use a 1st on one of them (regardless of where in the 1st on any of these guys) its highly unlikely IMO that we get anything from this yr, and maybe not even next yr...I really wont be surprised at all if 5yrs down the road the best WR in this draft comes from the 2nd rd or later...I'd rather see us trade one of the firsts for a proven WR (if someone is willing)

David

Except those picks dont add up to even the 6th picks value.

 

[dbair1967]

Then what about that scenario?

Which would you rather?

A proven wide receiver or McFadden?

I love McFadden but if we can get Boldin, R Williams or Chad Johnson for just a 1st or a 1st and later pick (not the 2nd though) then I'd have to go with the WR, espcially since I dont believe any of the WR's we could take this yr would be much of an impact and I really dont think much of them in terms of future development either

I'd still have my 1st and 2nd, and maybe even 1st, 2nd & 3rd and get a bigtime WR

David

 

[Rampage]

oj otogwe 3rd rounder

ronde barber 3rd rounder

dre bly 2nd rounder

leigh bodden undrafted

sheldon brown 2nd rounder

that's just a few good corners named that weren't drafted in the 1st round. i would like to think with Wade's expierence with defense he could find a good corner after round 1

 

[iceberg]

oj otogwe 3rd rounder

ronde barber 3rd rounder

dre bly 2nd rounder

leigh bodden undrafted

sheldon brown 2nd rounder

that's just a few good corners named that weren't drafted in the 1st round. i would like to think with Wade's expierence with defense he could find a good corner after round 1

so you can name positions not mcfadden we can get later, but you can't let mcfadden go at to high a cost for where we are?

 

[Rampage]

so you can name positions not mcfadden we can get later, but you can't let mcfadden go at to high a cost for where we are?

what's up, berg? i was gonna post this a few hours ago but had to run out. but anyways for the people who are hell bent on not getting dmac and getting a corner in the 1st round, i just figured i'd might list a few that are successful who have been drafted after round 1. obviously we can't let mcfadden go at a high cost cause he will be off the board.