For The TO Fans... A Highlight Video

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khiladi;2817808 said:
If Garrett is the OC, the question is really mute. Teams would just double Fitzgerald just like they did TO, and Garrett wouldn't be able to adjust. The Arizona Cardinals haven't done crap for years, even with Larry, and all of the sudden people think he would take the Cowboys to the top? The Cardinals were tanking at the end of last season offensively, and the only reason they actually played well in the play-offs is because their OC actually went back to running the ball. The Cardinals adjusted their play-calling. Last I checked, the Cowboys still have to deal with the same issues, among them, the fact that Garrett can't devise schemes to keep the pressure off of Romo to even throw it to Larry...

Wow... Larry can make some amazing catches in double-coverage... Doesn't mean it happens all the time or it would be a consistent thing...

I'm very worried about this season on offense. Not the beginning of the year, but later in the year when a team figures us out and every other team in the league copies the strategy. The offense will sputter and Romo will be the fall guy, again.

It's easy to stop a predictable offense with an elite receiver. If anyone thinks TO is not an elite receiver, you're clueless. His hands aren't always spot-on but his ball instincts and athletic ability are second to none. There was a play in that highlight reel where he was running toward the corner of the endzone and peeked over his shoulder for a split second and saw the ball was going toward the post, turned, located the ball and made the touchdown catch. That's a perfect example of ball skills.

I don't have to make a case for his speed, when he gets cranking, there's no one on the field who can catch him.

There's no way you should have to force the ball to TO when you have Witten and Crayton on the field. Crayton isn't a stud but he runs good patterns and has good hands. There was enough talent on that field that the offensive line and defense shouldn't have mattered. A proper scheme should've made that offense unstoppable.
 

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theWave21;2817846 said:
I'm very worried about this season on offense. Not the beginning of the year, but later in the year when a team figures us out and every other team in the league copies the strategy. The offense will sputter and Romo will be the fall guy, again.

It's easy to stop a predictable offense with an elite receiver. If anyone thinks TO is not an elite receiver, you're clueless. His hands aren't always spot-on but his ball instincts and athletic ability are second to none. There was a play in that highlight reel where he was running toward the corner of the endzone and peeked over his shoulder for a split second and saw the ball was going toward the post, turned, located the ball and made the touchdown catch. That's a perfect example of ball skills.

I don't have to make a case for his speed, when he gets cranking, there's no one on the field who can catch him.

There's no way you should have to force the ball to TO when you have Witten and Crayton on the field. Crayton isn't a stud but he runs good patterns and has good hands. There was enough talent on that field that the offensive line and defense shouldn't have mattered. A proper scheme should've made that offense unstoppable.

That is exactly the problem. Garrett may come up with schemes in the off-season, but once he is figured out, he shows no ability to adjust in real-time. Last year, he was effectively clue-less. Even after TO called him out in the interview, though he was complaining prior as a result of people attacking his skills, Jason Garrett didn't change his approach at all to offense. If Garrett was trying to pacify TO, then why didn't he change the routes TO was running? Hell, he even need a 3 receiver meeting, but it didn't change how he attacked team defenses. Wade called him out implicitly for the lack of running the ball, and he still didn't change.
 

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khiladi;2817845 said:
Let me repeat for you your own words:



Your statement that I brought asserted two things:

1. They called his number more than enough.
2. His skills were eroding.

That in a nutshell is exactly what you asked for... I swung and not only hit a home-run, it was a grand slam that went out of the ball-park...

Besides the fact, that I asserted many things in that post, among them a direct remark against the claim that he was a locker-room cancer and it affected the team, and with him gone they can get back to winning. And I really don't think I need to do a search for that one.
You're missing the word "bandwagon." I have repeatedly said this team was destroyed by injuries. There were undoubtedly other problems. I have never denied this. One of them was forcing the ball to TO in order to placate him. I do think his skills are eroding and he is no longer worth the contract he had. That doesn't change the fact I have not focused on those things for what is wrong.

Injuries, by far and away, were the main reason for a poor showing in 2008. That is my bandwagon and has been all off season.

Strike three, you're out.
 

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khiladi;2817806 said:
Tell that to Troy Aikman and Michael Irvin when Dave Schula was our OC... Tell that to them when Bruce Coslett was OC of this team. I guess we didn't need a change in the schemes of our defense to suit our players like Ware, for him to get over 20 sacks? Why does Romo need a running game? Why are we scheming now for Romo, if an elite player should perform no matter the scheme? The fact is TO performed in the 'scheme' that wasn't suited to his talents, which is a testimony to his abilities. You people like he was garbage last year. Well, if he was garbage then the rest of the offense was even worse, from the OL to the second-string receivers to Crayton. Hell, even Witten's production dropped off.

The issue has nothing to do with scheming a player to be effective, it has to do with utilizing your talent to what suits them.

Neither Aikman nor Irvin was elite when Dave Schula was OC.

And Jimmy Johnson's offensive philosophy was predicated on simplicity; by his own admission, during his tenure as head coach, the Cowboys employed the simplest and easiest-to-run pass routes.
 

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Thanks for the memories, TO. Now move on and stop badmouthing our quarterback and owner's son.
 

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the one thing you notice in these videos, is that although TO is a freak of nature, you don't see him with that much separation unless the Db lets him free

gonna miss him burning DeAngelo Hall though

btw, at the 3:00 mark, that's Crayton catching a TD against Green Bay
 

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moot not mute

unless you meant hostile can't talk, and we all know that aint true.
 

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I am glad he is gone. Don't get me wrong he had some good highlights as he was on the team. But at the end of the day he was a mouthful and he never showed up in big game situations.
 

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Hostile;2817494 said:
He disappeared often in 2008. He really only had one good game. His skills are eroding.

That's what people that want to make themselves feel good about his release say. Let's see what type of stats he has in Buffalo this year. I'm not saying that he's not on the downhill of his career but he's still a 70 rec. 1000 yrd 7-10 td wr even with a below average qb in my opinion..
 

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birdwells1;2818055 said:
That's what people that want to make themselves feel good about his release say. Let's see what type of stats he has in Buffalo this year. I'm not saying that he's not on the downhill of his career but he's still a 70 rec. 1000 yrd 7-10 td wr even with a below average qb in my opinion..
watch T.O. have his stats and watch the bills finish 8-8 or 9-7 and miss the playoffs. you wanna know the reality of the situation on offense for the Cowboys? go back and watch the washington games. 1st game we force the ball to Owens and lose. 2nd game we begin forcing the ball to Owens and are on our way to losing. Than we started running the ball and having Romo spread it around. we wound up winning with Owens doing very little just like the 2nd Giants game.
 

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Four;2817498 said:
and that game was against that power house of a team in san fran

That game SF didn't play man over defense and played him like a normal wr you saw what happened. In Buffalo defenses will have to respect (unlike in Dallas) the other WR Lee Evans so he may see more regular coverage. If they don't Evans will make them pay.

I still thought that we just needed a burner opposite TO, some like Andre Davis in Houston. He's a speed guy that make catch 2 or 3 catches a game but teams have to respect his downfield speed so it opens up the field.
 

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Rampage;2818058 said:
watch T.O. have his stats and watch the bills finish 8-8 or 9-7 and miss the playoffs. you wanna know the reality of the situation on offense for the Cowboys? go back and watch the washington games. 1st game we force the ball to Owens and lose. 2nd game we begin forcing the ball to Owens and are on our way to losing. Than we started running the ball and having Romo spread it around. we wound up winning with Owens doing very little just like the 2nd Giants game.


If he gets his stats then his skills haven't fallen off as much as people want to believe.

Another big game TO performed well in was this little game called the SB, remember that?
 

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birdwells1;2818061 said:
If he gets his stats then his skills haven't fallen off as much as people want to believe.

Another big game TO performed well in was this little game called the SB, remember that?
who cares? they lost that game. the guy has such a drive to get him the ball that it winds up hurting his own team more than helping it. oh and Mcnabb threw a lot of passes in Owens' direction during that superbowl. that's why 2 of his 3 picks were passes intended for Owens.
 

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Blazing fast receivers are quickly becoming the most ridiculously over rated "wants" for every team.


Gimme a guy that catches everything and runs crisp routes over a burner any day of the week.



Though I did really like what we had in dallas with keyshawn and terry glenn, that's just about the perfect 1 2 punch. If we can find a guy that is 3/4s the player terry was, with Roy on the other side, that would make me very happy.
 

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birdwells1;2818055 said:
That's what people that want to make themselves feel good about his release say. Let's see what type of stats he has in Buffalo this year. I'm not saying that he's not on the downhill of his career but he's still a 70 rec. 1000 yrd 7-10 td wr even with a below average qb in my opinion..
I don't need a gimmick to feel good about his release. I don't need to convince myself of anything. I'm not in any kind of denial.

We got younger and removed a chemistry issue who was not worth his 2008 contract. I'm fine with the move and will be regardelss of what he does or doesn't do in Buffalo.
 

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birdwells1;2818061 said:
If he gets his stats then his skills haven't fallen off as much as people want to believe.

Another big game TO performed well in was this little game called the SB, remember that?


TO can't run the quick WR screens anymore, because he can't get guys off him anymore, he lost his quickness, and is more of a long strider now.

you can't remember how devastatingly talented he was before if you don't see how much he has fallen off. He was once truly GREAT, he is now just pretty good.
 

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birdwells1;2818061 said:
If he gets his stats then his skills haven't fallen off as much as people want to believe.

Another big game TO performed well in was this little game called the SB, remember that?
So what you are saying is that we should sign Deion Branch.

Interesting take. Not sure I agree. Actually I am sure I don't agree.
 

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khiladi;2817845 said:
Let me repeat for you your own words:



Your statement that I brought asserted two things:

1. They called his number more than enough.
2. His skills were eroding.

That in a nutshell is exactly what you asked for... I swung and not only hit a home-run, it was a grand slam that went out of the ball-park...

Besides the fact, that I asserted many things in that post, among them a direct remark against the claim that he was a locker-room cancer and it affected the team, and with him gone they can get back to winning. And I really don't think I need to do a search for that one.

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T.O. is one bad dude. The best in the NFL right now, even at this stage in his career. I noticed that there were not a whole lot of the type of routes that he made his name on.

We for some reason just wanted to keep running him on deep routes, he has the speed but he was not suppose to be our homerun hitter.
 
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