For The Torry Holt Crowd... **Updated** Holt released (post #72)

[AKATheRake]

Seems very counter productive to go after Holt when we want to give our young guys a shot

Don't believe the we released T.O to "give our young guys a shot" thing too much. It was mostly for the sake of Romo and continuity between him, the rest of the offensive players and Garrett. It was Secondly because of the circus having that guy here creates.

Yes Jerry feels there are some guys like Austin that might be able to step up if we're in a pinch to leave the WR corps as is especially with all the other offensive components but don't buy into T.O leaving giving Miles Austin, Sam Hurd or Isiah Stanback their shot. If anything it's to get some value out of RW's contract.

It isn't in any way counter productive to sign Holt if the contract is structured properly and has a good value price. Might be counter productive to leave the WR as is because of the durability issues amongst our WR corps. Every wideout on our team has had mild to sever durability issues throught their short careers. These aren't old vets that break down, these are young guys who can't stay on the field. Somethings wrong their.

 

[AKATheRake]

No we don't want Holts current salary... Wait til he gets cut.. Then trade Crayton..

You have a point but we could restructure the deal before a trade like that. But remember Spagnuolo is now the coach there and I'm sure he knows Crayton quite well playing us 9 times in the last 3 seasons with NY and how many other games while working under Johnson in Philly.

I doubt he wants Crayton's billboard material mouth, poor route running and bad hands when he needs him most, the last drive in the end zone during the playoffs. But yes, I'd do the Crayton thing in a heart beat but that would also mean accelerating his guaranteed money into this years cap actually giving us less cap room to do a deal with Demarcus Ware and Holt this season.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Honestly I'd rather keep the roster the way it stands... Roy Williams, Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton.

 

[Big Country]

We sign a vet we move WR down in the Draft. I don't want to do that. There is good value where we pick in the 2nd round.

I hope Dallas doesn't go WR in the 2nd round myself... Dallas is in need of drafting more quality trenchmen... I don't care if it's OL or DL... I hope Dallas goes after a NT type body and more O Linemen... I want to see quality backups emerge behind our OLinemen... esp LG, OT and C... I bet Flo has a better year if Dallas gets another stud tackle...

 

[bysbox1]

Main reason I want him is if Roy does get hurt, a 1, 2, 3 of Austin, Crayton and Hurd is very scary. And not for the other team.

Exactly what I was thinking. Neither Roy Williams or Miles Austin are durable receivers. At the right price, Holt gives you that insurance and he is very durable.

 

[bysbox1]

Honestly I'd rather keep the roster the way it stands... Roy Williams, Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton.

That's not going to get the job done. Unless we are back to playing Parcells ball . . . run the ball a lot, keep the score real close win close games (we do have the kicker to do that).

 

[bysbox1]

Don't believe the we released T.O to "give our young guys a shot" thing too much. It was mostly for the sake of Romo and continuity between him, the rest of the offensive players and Garrett. It was Secondly because of the circus having that guy here creates.

Yes Jerry feels there are some guys like Austin that might be able to step up if we're in a pinch to leave the WR corps as is especially with all the other offensive components but don't buy into T.O leaving giving Miles Austin, Sam Hurd or Isiah Stanback their shot. If anything it's to get some value out of RW's contract.

It isn't in any way counter productive to sign Holt if the contract is structured properly and has a good value price. Might be counter productive to leave the WR as is because of the durability issues amongst our WR corps. Every wideout on our team has had mild to sever durability issues throught their short careers. These aren't old vets that break down, these are young guys who can't stay on the field. Somethings wrong their.

 

[AKATheRake]

Exactly what I was thinking. Neither Roy Williams or Miles Austin are durable receivers. At the right price, Holt gives you that insurance and he is very durable.

Exactly, but he is also a feared WR. Teams have to game plan for Torry Holt. Both Roy Williams and Torry Holt have had their best years when having another quality WR playing across from them. Witten as the TE, Bennett too, with an effective running game and everyone just focusing on executing when their number is called up and making the play.

This can worth with Torry Holt because that's his mentality and even though he has superstar talent he doesn't have the me first, stat padding ego to go with it. He sure as hell has those hands that aren't going to drop the rock in key situations. The stats with him take care of themselves because he executes extremely well. He's won a super bowl and he works his butt off. This is the talent/super dependable/leadership character at WR this team needs.

Even RW admits that he has never really had a veteran WR to teach him the tricks f the trade to match his raw skill. He thught T.O could help him with that but Torry Holt sure could be as good an example as many. He's mostly likey a future HOF WR himself and he's no headache for your QB, he's his biggest ally.

 

[AKATheRake]

That's not going to get the job done. Unless we are back to playing Parcells ball . . . run the ball a lot, keep the score real close win close games (we do have the kicker to do that).

We would have to play Parcells ball like when he was here and what Miami did last year. That would get you in the playoffs as well but probably would not be enough to win more than 1 playoff game if any as we know.

You're right, we do have the kicker for those close games and although we should have a solid defense with the ability to get after the QB it's not a big turnover defense whether we work harder at that or not this year, these guys just aren't pick machines and we barely win the coin flip on the fumble recovery.

A team that plays tight football to give them a shot in the 4th needs to win the turnover battles like Tennessee did last year. The defense can not have mental lapses either in the 4th like ours did in Pittsburgh against Baltimore. Or get shredded and pushed around Like it did against St. Louis, Arizona and Philly, both games.

Our defense isn't like a Pittsburgh or Baltimore that can help you win games 17-10 or 13-7 against elite offenses like those teams D's can. I'm not saying we need 30 points or more a game but we need balance passing and running offensively so that we can control the clock when necessary and make the 3rd down plays to continue drives when necessary.

If our WR is as is our passing attack will be too intermediate and as good as our 3 headed rb tandem could be, stacking the box will hurt our consistency back there which will obviously hurt our defense that just doesn't have that killer instinct to take over a game.

 

[MWILL]

Honestly I'd rather keep the roster the way it stands... Roy Williams, Miles Austin and Patrick Crayton.

Honestly I'd rather see the young WR's EARN it.

 

[AKATheRake]

Honestly I'd rather see the young WR's EARN it.

Exactly! If they were better than the vets and Jerry really believed they were so great RW would not been here for any other reason than knowing T.O was eventually going to get the shaft and they needed a similar younger WR.

If Miles was so great and dependable then He would have been on the field more than Crayton. Some will say Crayton, Owens and Roy were gtting paid to be on the field more so that's why Austin never got his shot.

But if it was all about money we would have never sucked up $9.6 million not to have T.O here this season. So I don't buy into that theory. Greg Ellis would already be gonzo also.

So here's what I think. If Jerry's worried about cap space to get Holt signed to about $5 million a year he needs to look in the draft and see if they like an OLB who can play a 3-4 and get to the QB. If they do think they can get one around there guess who sees the door also if they really want Holt.

If they really do like Lucas as well, since the DMN is a decent source when it comes to our player interests I could see us being able to get him on a value contract if he's understanding that he will play less than Anthony Henry did last year. There would be enough cap room to go sign Ware this year. Our draft needs would be backup OLB (2nd or 3rd), Safety (2nd or 3rd), backup NT (Dorrel Scott, 3rd) and OL.

Between Barbie (1st rounder), Kevin Burnett (2nd rounder) and Spencer (1st rounder) we haven't gotten any starters. That's pathetic because those rounds usually produce excellent LB's. Now Spencer is starting quality and it needs to happen now. Get some depth behind him.

 

[AdamJT13]

Holt has been released, according to ESPN.

 

[Rampage]

Holt has been released, according to ESPN.

good post

 

[miamicowboy21]

just heard it down here in miami.

 

[CF74]

He's already on Jerry's plane:laugh2:

 

[MWILL]

He's already on Jerry's plane:laugh2:

WooHoo!



:laugh2:

 

[Cajuncowboy]

I guess you can sticky this thread now.

 

[xWraithx]

He's already on Jerry's plane:laugh2:

seriously? or are you kidding?

 

[MWILL]

seriously? or are you kidding?

I believe he's joking.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I would if the value is there. If Percy Harvin, Brian Robiskie, or Hakeem Nicks is there I definitely consider it.

Ok those are the exceptions to my being angry rule. I don't think any of those 3 fall to us, unless we move up, but if they were I'd be ok with one of them. Harvin would interest me the most.