forget every thread you ever read about these two...Roy v Ed Reed

[zrinkill]

So now not only is Roy a liability but so is Ed Reed, Adrian Wilson, and Sean Taylor?


:laugh2:

Yea I think they finally cracked under the "prove Roy sucks" pressure ....

Poor guys.

 

[BigDFan5]

So every Safety in the league is a liability in coverage ...... yet Roy sucks and needs to be better.

Wow ......


Wow ......

 

[WoodysGirl]

All those stats are coming from Stats, INC.

Let's see what Joyner comes out with, and compare

This was pulled from an article Joyner wrote for ESPN back in Nov. I wouldn't know where to get stats of all safeties for Joyner.

The problem is that these two (referencing Henry and Newman) have not been able to cover up for the deficiencies of the Dallas safeties. Roy Williams, the Cowboys strong safety, has Pro Bowl caliber run-stuffing abilities but his coverage abilities always have been suspect.
This year has been no different:

Player Att. Comp. Yds TD Int Penalties Pen. Yds YPA
Roy Williams 24 12 237 4 3 1 48 11.9
​

To put Williams' 11.9 yards per attempt into perspective, consider that it would have ranked him 33rd in the league in that metric in 2005. It is also two yards worse than Williams' 2005 season-ending total in that metric.​

The free safety position has been a revolving door ever since Darren Woodson left. Dallas thought that they might have solved this problem when they drafted Pat Watkins from Florida State in the fifth round in last year's draft. Watkins was off to a promising start early on, as he was beaten only on one deep pass in his first three starts.​

But things went downhill very quickly in Watkins' next two starts. He was beaten for two long touchdown passes against Philadelphia in Week 5. Watkins was out of position on both of the passes, once because he bit on a play-action fake and once because he bit on the first move of a double-move deep pass route. He compounded one of those mistakes with a missed tackle that allowed Hank Baskett to get an additional 25 yards and a TD. That game put Watkins on the hot seat, so when he was beaten for a 50-yard TD in the Cowboys' loss to the Giants in Week 7, it came as no surprise to see him benched in Weeks 8 and 9.​

The problem for the Cowboys is that they don't have anyone to replace Watkins with. Keith Davis proved he wasn't the answer last year when he gave up 15.6 yards per attempt in his tryout year at that position. Marcus Coleman is the other alternative, but Coleman has allowed over 12 yards per attempt in each of the past two seasons. Coleman was so bad last year that the Texans, who could have used a player with his experience to help mentor a young secondary, benched him for a rookie and then let him go after the season.​

It's a shame when a team has this much talent but it cannot find a free safety who would even qualify as being mediocre, much less good. Tony Romo might have helped fix the offensive issues that were slowing Dallas down. If the Cowboys can't find a way to solve their safety issues, however, they will be hard-pressed to make the playoffs.​

LINK

 

[zrinkill]

Looks like they are talking alot about the Free safety position in that article .....

Anyone know how the other Strong safties in the league compare?

 

[locked&loaded]

So every Safety in the league is a liability in coverage ...... yet Roy sucks and needs to be better.

Wow ......


Wow ......

thats 4 not every

 

[TEK2000]

See where it says 4 TD's allowed there.. that's exactly what I'm talking about.

At the time that article was published, Roy had only given up 2 TD's... 1 to Troupe vs the Titans and 1 to Shockey... but Joyner assigned blame to Roy for giving up a TD vs the Eagles and for the Burress TD vs the Giants. Both of the latter plays were entirely Pat Watkins' guys and Roy was only in the vicinity trying to help.

 

[locked&loaded]

So now not only is Roy a liability but so is Ed Reed, Adrian Wilson, and Sean Taylor?


:laugh2:

you gave the stats. giving up 6 touchdowns is good...? i dont get whats so funny.

 

[zrinkill]

thats 4 not every

Name the Strong Safties who are better than Roy in coverage

 

[DragonCowboy]

you gave the stats. giving up 6 touchdowns is good...? i dont get whats so funny.

if ed reed's a liability, then why is he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(times infinity) roy?

 

[BigDFan5]

thats 4 not every

yes they are 4 of the best safties in the NFL yet according to you they are ALL liabilities

Ed Reed is a liability according to you lol

 

[big dog cowboy]

Marcus Coleman was signed just in case Watkins couldn't get it done. With his personal problems well documented, perhaps that was another blunder by our GM. Counting on rookie, backup plan was a player with problems and just got cut from the Texans isn't a well thought out plan in my book. Get a real FS in here Jerry. If Watkins can play in a year or two that is great. Until then we have tons of talent being wasted because of another failed GM job.

 

[BigDFan5]

i dont get whats so funny.

I know, and that makes it even funnier

 

[BigDFan5]

Marcus Coleman was signed just in case Watkins couldn't get it done. With his personal problems well documented, perhaps that was another blunder by our GM. Counting on rookie, backup plan was a player with problems and just got cut from the Texans isn't a well thought out plan in my book. Get a real FS in here Jerry. If Watkins can play in a year or two that is great. Until then we have tons of talent being wasted because of another failed GM job.

Is Parcells the GM? He picks the players.

Altough I agree we definately need a FS

I still would like Laron Landry from LSU

 

[locked&loaded]

if ed reed's a liability, then why is he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(times infinity) roy?

because he can cover better than roy! thats what this whole thread is about. having a ball hawk at a safety. wow people can really twist and manipulate words to make themselves look good and on the internet of all things!wow, im so alone.

 

[DragonCowboy]

because he can cover better than roy! thats what this whole thread is about. having a ball hawk at a safety. wow people can really twist and manipulate words to make themselves look good and on the internet of all things!wow, im so alone.

but you said reed's a liability...?

so which is it?

 

[locked&loaded]

but you said reed's a liability...?

so which is it?

its hes not as big of a liability as roy.

 

[DragonCowboy]

its hes not as big of a liability as roy.

then according to you, roy must be a HUGE, HUGE liability compared to reed.

yet he only gave up 2 int's more, fewer completions, etc.

And before you go into your "why can't you ever be wrong" tirade, remember who started this thread.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Is Parcells the GM? He picks the players.

That was my point.

 

[zrinkill]

because he can cover better than roy! thats what this whole thread is about. having a ball hawk at a safety. wow people can really twist and manipulate words to make themselves look good and on the internet of all things!wow, im so alone.

Roy is a Strong Safety ..... Name a "ball hawking" Strong Safety not named Roy Williams.

What is wrong with you people?

Coming from College they turn undersized linebackers into Strong Safties
They turn Oversized Corners into Free Safties .....

Why is this so hard to understand? Woody was the exception ..... and neither Reed or Roy could do BOTH as well as him .... but they both do what they do better.

 

[BigDFan5]

because he can cover better than roy! thats what this whole thread is about. having a ball hawk at a safety. wow people can really twist and manipulate words to make themselves look good and on the internet of all things!wow, im so alone.

Ed Reed gave up more catches than Roy

Ed Reed gave up more yards than Roy

Ed Reed had fewer pass deflections than Roy

Ed Reed had the same amount of INTs as Roy

Reed allowed 6 TDs Roy allowed 8


Now according to you the TDs make Reed a liability but he is better than Roy because of his coverage which as the stats show Roy gave up less of everything except TDs