Freeney

[superpunk]

Don't confuse intentional omissions with lack of knowledge.
I purposely left those names out so you could see the supporting cast,not the cornerstones of the defense.It's not that difficult to understand.
There are players you build a defense around,then you get them a sidekick or two,and then you give'em supporting players who are not necessarily pro bowlers,but role players,like The Pats did.

Was it difficult to understand this time?

Phillips is a cornerstone? Is that why he was a backup until Foley went down?

 

[Doomsday]

Looking at Dallas sack totals is pretty scary. 29 total sacks on the season, which is tied for 24th in the NFL. 13 of those 29 are from Ware and Ellis.

Ratliff 4, Hatcher 2.5, Coleman 3 = 9.5 from non starting Dlinemen
Fergy 0, Spears 1, Canty 1 = 2 from starting Dlinemen
Ayodele 1, Burnett 1, Singleton 1, Carpenter 1.5 = 4.5 from LB not named Ellis or Ware
ZERO sacks from the secondary

Basically 5 sacks from starters other then Ware and Ellis. Pretty shameful.

 

[TexasAce]

Finally somebody with some sense.
Some of you need to take note.

I wasn't even thinking about Freeney a few weeks ago, but after watching our defense sputter, witht he biggest problem being the lack of pressure, and our 3-4 defense incapable of doing what a 3-4 defense is supposed to do, I'm now very much in favor of bringing in Freeney and switching back to the 4-3.

Of course if Parcells comes back you can forget about switching, but I don't see much from this team this year, so a one and done in the playoffs is very possible. And if that ends up being the case, I don't see Parcells returning.

Let's get one thing clear before some brings it up, I hate Mike Zimmer, I've disliked him since 2002 when I first began to notice the same crap wrong with this defense that still remains.

The lack of creativity, blitzes that never work, this read and react crap mindset, it all sucks.

However, I think too many fans are under the impression that if we bring in a better 3-4 coordinator that he's going to magically turn our defense into this monster, I'm not so sure about that.

Yes someone with more creativity will help, but at some point our guys have to just beat the guy in front of them, and they don't do that too much.

Spears and Canty are right now JAGS as are Parcells like to call people.

I was watching the NFL replay of the Chargers and Seahawks, and on many of their plays it looked exactly like the Dallas defense. I was expecting a bunch of stunts or crazy blitzes, and while there were some here and there, for the msot part they just lined up like we do but consistently beat their man.

Most of the time they'd have their 3 downlineman in a 3 point stance, and Merriman standing up as a pass rusher, identical with what we do.

The difference was, their DE's and their DT were frequently disrupting the QB, it wasn't just Merriman. My point being, our players, mainly at the DE position, just may not be all the great.

 

[smarta5150]

Don't confuse intentional omissions with lack of knowledge.
I purposely left those names out so you could see the supporting cast,not the cornerstones of the defense.It's not that difficult to understand.
There are players you build a defense around,then you get them a sidekick or two,and then you give'em supporting players who are not necessarily pro bowlers,but role players,like The Pats did.

Was it difficult to understand this time?

Convienent.

I strongly doubt it.
As for his supporting cast,have you heard any of them being world beaters?
Randall Godfrey?...old.
Donnie Edwards?...they tried to unload him this year.
Marlon McCree?...better than our safeties.
Terrence Kiel?...see above.
Steve Foley...out fore year.
Quentin Jammer?

They have talent,that I can't deny,but not better than our talent.
It's all on coaching and scheming.
That being said,I have seen that sack machine get to the QB,not just almost getting to it.
That is my point.

Well I named 2 world beaters you left off on purpose.

If you honestly think our defensive talent matches SD's you are on drugs.

Swap Ware and Merriman and Ware would have 20+ sacks - he is clean, thus, he would have 4 more games under his belt.

 

[superpunk]

Looking at Dallas sack totals is pretty scary. 29 total sacks on the season, which is tied for 24th in the NFL. 13 of those 29 are from Ware and Ellis.

Ratliff 4, Hatcher 2.5, Coleman 3 = 9.5 from non starting Dlinemen
Fergy 0, Spears 1, Canty 1 = 2 from starting Dlinemen
Ayodele 1, Burnett 1, Singleton 1, Carpenter 1.5 = 4.5 from LB not named Ellis or Ware
ZERO sacks from the secondary

Basically 5 sacks from starters other then Ware and Ellis. Pretty shameful.

Percentage wise, Ware accounts for more of his team's sack total than Merriman, despite not rushing nearly as much, as well as not having the personnel or OC around him.

 

[smarta5150]

Percentage wise, Ware accounts for more of his team's sack total than Merriman, despite not rushing nearly as much, as well as not having the personnel or OC around him.

Woah Woah %-wise?

You mean you cant just look at Wares bottom line vs. Merrimans?

And whats this about personnel?

 

[smarta5150]

Dont forget Ware has more 3rd down sacks (when compared to his own totals) where Merriman's sacks are greater on 1st down than any other down.

 

[Doomsday]

How many TDs does Merriman have? Last time I counted Ware had 2.

 

[smarta5150]

How many TDs does Merriman have?

Who cares he has 15 sacks or something.

 

[MetalHead]

Convienent.



Well I named 2 world beaters you left off on purpose.

If you honestly think our defensive talent matches SD's you are on drugs.

Swap Ware and Merriman and Ware would have 20+ sacks - he is clean, thus, he would have 4 more games under his belt.

Ware with 20+ sacks???
You are the one on drugs here man.
Are you familiar with World War II history?
In **** Germany,Joseph Goebbels,Minister of propaganda was attributed with the following:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,people will eventually come to believe it"

Somebody lied to you.

 

[smarta5150]

Ware with 20+ sacks???
You are the one on drugs here man.
Are you familiar with World War II history?
In **** Germany,Joseph Goebbels,Minister of propaganda was attributed with the following:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,people will eventually come to believe it"

Somebody lied to you.

Merriman has 16 sacks.

Missed 4 games.

You put Ware on that team with that talent and that playcalling and I can see him doing what Merriman does.

I dont think its too far fetched at all.

 

[MetalHead]

Merriman has 16 sacks.

Missed 4 games.

You put Ware on that team with that talent and that playcalling and I can see him doing what Merriman does.

I dont think its too far fetched at all.

I tell you what,I see we have common ground here.
Our defensive scheme cripples the talent we have.
so lets agree to disagree on this one because we are not going to convince each other to change our views about this Ware-Merriman debate.

 

[smarta5150]

I tell you what,I see we have common ground here.
Our defensive scheme cripples the talent we have.
so lets agree to disagree on this one because we are not going to convince each other to change our views about this Ware-Merriman debate.

I was gonna go grab some food anyway and have you talking to yourself

But yea.. this debate will go on forever and it actually will until they are both out of the league.

 

[TexasAce]

I tell you what,I see we have common ground here.
Our defensive scheme cripples the talent we have.
so lets agree to disagree on this one because we are not going to convince each other to change our views about this Ware-Merriman debate.

As I mentioned in a post I made in this thread earlier, a new coordinator definitely helps, but having watched the Chargers vs Seahawks game in it's entirety, I saw the Chargers do ALOT of the same things we do, but they were actually able to beat the man in front of them.

Our players aren't making alot of plays when they have a chance, and that cannot be ignored either.

 

[jay cee]

the more I see of vince young the less I like him, he seems very full of himself.

Give some examples please, because I just don't see it.