From the Iggs newspaper today. They think we are running Zeke into the ground and they love it

[Sydla]

Big game tonight. If Washington can pull out a win, give Philly a divisional loss, and put Dallas only a game back it opens up way more possibilities for the Cowboys here.

If Philly wins, that puts them at 3-0 in the division with a sweep over the Skins. That puts Dallas in a hole.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Wont answer it is more like it. Not with you.

Hmmmm.....

 

[Pokes12]

Wont answer it is more like it. Not with you.

The Answer is the the Iggs are wrong as usual and so are their newspapers. Zeke looked awesome yesterday and put a lot of skeptics back in their holes. Speaking of holes, there were plenty opened up by the O line that looked like there old self. Dak was great, as usual and got Dez, Witt and Beas involved in the offense as well. Need to see a few more plays to Butler. NOT IMPRESSED with Switzer so far.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Hmmmm.....

So did you do your homework last night and watch Wentz? If you still cant see how good this kid is then there is no hope for you.

I am almost at the point where I would take Wentz over Dak. Its very close at this point. Wentz clearly throws the ball better.

 

[Sydla]

So did you do your homework last night and watch Wentz? If you still cant see how good this kid is then there is no hope for you.

I am almost at the point where I would take Wentz over Dak. Its very close at this point. Wentz clearly throws the ball better.

The difference to me is that Wentz seems more inclined to take chances down the field. Prescott simply does not. Now is it because Prescott isn't finding those guys or is he just very aware of not making mistakes and won't push the ball down the field as much as Wentz?

I have no idea.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The difference to me is that Wentz seems more inclined to take chances down the field. Prescott simply does not. Now is it because Prescott isn't finding those guys or is he just very aware of not making mistakes and won't push the ball down the field as much as Wentz?

I have no idea.

I agree, but I think its more then that. Wentz has a better and more accurate arm in my opinion. But he IS more of a gunslinger no doubt. He will take more risks where Dak has a better feel for managing the offense. But Wentz has no run game to speak of. And that Oline certainly isnt as good as the Cowboys. The OC of the Eagles is also pass happy.

And the way Wentz uses his legs is incredible. Dak as well, but again I think Wenz is a little better there.

 

[Pokes12]

The difference to me is that Wentz seems more inclined to take chances down the field. Prescott simply does not. Now is it because Prescott isn't finding those guys or is he just very aware of not making mistakes and won't push the ball down the field as much as Wentz?

I have no idea.

Wentz is a football player with some great instincts and can do attitude just like Dak. He is getting better coaching and opportunities to go downfield. We have one downfield threat, Wentz has three plus Ertz.

 

[Sydla]

Wentz is a football player with some great instincts and can do attitude just like Dak. He is getting better coaching and opportunities to go downfield. We have one downfield threat, Wentz has three plus Ertz.

I've seen this a lot......... this notion that the Eagles now have much better weapons than we do.

That's bogus. Ertz is clearly a better TE than Witten at this point in their careers, but there is no way Bryant, Beasley, Butler, Williams is somehow significantly inferior to Jeffrey, T. Smith, Agholor and Mack Hollins.

I think people are now saying this as an excuse for Prescott/a way to minimize Wentz's accomplishments.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So did you do your homework last night and watch Wentz? If you still cant see how good this kid is then there is no hope for you.

I am almost at the point where I would take Wentz over Dak. Its very close at this point. Wentz clearly throws the ball better.

I never said Wentz was a bad qb I just didn't think he was incredible. He was last night though. He may very well be better than Dak. Either way, I'm glad Dak is our qb and we got him in the fourth and didn't need have to trade a bunch of picks for him.

He's having a great season though. Good for Philly fans......

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

I never said Wentz was a bad qb I just didn't think he was incredible. He was last night though. He may very well be better than Dak. Either way, I'm glad Dak is our qb and we got him in the fourth and didn't need have to trade a bunch of picks for him.

He's having a great season though. Good for Philly fans......

Definitely his best performance

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I've seen this a lot......... this notion that the Eagles now have much better weapons than we do.

That's bogus. Ertz is clearly a better TE than Witten at this point in their careers, but there is no way Bryant, Beasley, Butler, Williams is somehow significantly inferior to Jeffrey, T. Smith, Agholor and Mack Hollins.

I think people are now saying this as an excuse for Prescott/a way to minimize Wentz's accomplishments.

Well to his credit he said he is getting better coaching and opportunities. I don't agree with it personally. I think both are getting good coaching.

I think in the defense of Wentz he's allowed to take more chances because his staff has faith in their defense. Dak has to win the turnover battle for us even to have a chance since we don't get turnovers.

I think Dak and Wentz are having great seasons.

Not sure why people can't admit both are good without devaluing the other.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Definitely his best performance

Right. He's acting like he played that way all year...he was good but that was arguably the best game of his career.

 

[HungryLion]

I've seen this a lot......... this notion that the Eagles now have much better weapons than we do.

That's bogus. Ertz is clearly a better TE than Witten at this point in their careers, but there is no way Bryant, Beasley, Butler, Williams is somehow significantly inferior to Jeffrey, T. Smith, Agholor and Mack Hollins.

I think people are now saying this as an excuse for Prescott/a way to minimize Wentz's accomplishments.

I think it’s people going too far to dispel the equally false notion spread by some, that Wentz is carrying the eagles on his back, which is not true.

Wentz’s receivers are not better than the cowboys, but an argument can be made to say they are just as good. So to be fair, call it a push.

The eagles don’t have the same running game as the cowboys, so Dak gets the advantage there.

The eagles defense is far better than the cowboys so wentz gets the advantage there. The eagles defense helps their offense by getting turnovers and giving them short fields. Case in point- the panthers game. The eagles offense was struggling to get anything going against a good Carolina defense. The eagles defense got TWO interceptions around the panthers 20 yard line, giving the eagles offense easy scores by starting their drive right at the red zone. Dak rarely, if ever is given that advantage by his defense.

The reality is, they are both two young quarterbacks who are playing extremely well, for players in their second year in the league. It is uncommon for any second year QB’s to play as well as either Dak or Wentz.

 

[Bleu Star]

Cowboys (-6) at 49ers: The Niners are 0-6, but they've lost their last five games by a combined 13 points, and none by more than three points. They've been in almost every game.

Meanwhile, this Zeke Elliott situation is a mess for the Cowboys. He's on pace for 390 touches this year, and he's been ineffective. He's running at a 3.7 yards-per-carry clip, with 122 touches and only 28 first downs. He has clearly put on weight and doesn't look like the same player, even if his offensive line has also predictably regressed to some degree.

If the Cowboys want to run him into the ground while he isn't even playing well, all while simultaneously causing a major distraction, the rest of the NFC East should take joy in watching his suspension get delayed repeatedly.

Had Elliott just been suspended for the Cowboys' first six games, it would already almost be over and they'd probably have the same record. Instead, it is becoming a year-long distraction, and Elliott is likely still going to serve those six games at some point.

I'll still take the Cowboys here, I guess, but I love the value of getting six points, and wouldn't be surprised if the Niners won this game outright.

Screw the rest of the NFL. Keep fighting Zeke. Due process.

 

[Bleu Star]

No one is overusing Zeke. He's a Clydesdale.

 

[Sydla]

Well to his credit he said he is getting better coaching and opportunities. I don't agree with it personally. I think both are getting good coaching.

I think in the defense of Wentz he's allowed to take more chances because his staff has faith in their defense. Dak has to win the turnover battle for us even to have a chance since we don't get turnovers.

I think Dak and Wentz are having great seasons.

Not sure why people can't admit both are good without devaluing the other.

I am very surprised by the Eagles offensive staff. I thought Pederson was a boob. But save for one bizarre going for it on 4th and 8 from the 50 against the Giants, he's made no noticeable gaffes and their offensive game plans and adjustments have been spot on.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I am very surprised by the Eagles offensive staff. I thought Pederson was a boob. But save for one bizarre going for it on 4th and 8 from the 50 against the Giants, he's made no noticeable gaffes and their offensive game plans and adjustments have been spot on.

I'm not so sure if Wentz is making him look better than he is. But whatever it is...they work well together.

 

[JD_KaPow]

The eagles defense is far better than the cowboys so wentz gets the advantage there. The eagles defense helps their offense by getting turnovers and giving them short fields. Case in point- the panthers game. The eagles offense was struggling to get anything going against a good Carolina defense. The eagles defense got TWO interceptions around the panthers 20 yard line, giving the eagles offense easy scores by starting their drive right at the red zone. Dak rarely, if ever is given that advantage by his defense.

Drives started on the opponent's side of the field (including the 50):
Cowboys (in 6 games): 8
Eagles (in 7 games): 7*

Drives started at or beyond their own 40 (includes the above):
Cowboys (in 6 games): 11
Eagles (in 7 games): 12

Average drive start:
Cowboys: own 30
Eagles: own 28

*I'm excluding one Eagles drive that started with 8 seconds left in the game.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I am very surprised by the Eagles offensive staff. I thought Pederson was a boob. But save for one bizarre going for it on 4th and 8 from the 50 against the Giants, he's made no noticeable gaffes and their offensive game plans and adjustments have been spot on.

It wasn't from the 50: it was from the Giants 43. It was a very reasonable, if aggressive, decision.

 

[HungryLion]

Drives started on the opponent's side of the field (including the 50):
Cowboys (in 6 games): 8
Eagles (in 7 games): 7*

Drives started at or beyond their own 40 (includes the above):
Cowboys (in 6 games): 11
Eagles (in 7 games): 12

Average drive start:
Cowboys: own 30
Eagles: own 28

*I'm excluding one Eagles drive that started with 8 seconds left in the game.

Your stats are meaningless without proper context. If you watched the panthers game you would know.

Also, are you really debating whether the eagles or cowboys have a better defense? Because the benefit a good defense gives an offense goes beyond just turnovers and field position.

It changes the entire flow of the game when you have a defense making plays and getting the ball back for you quickly.

It also changes everything when you actually trust your defense to get a stop for you. Dak says all the right things, but do you honestly believe he expects his defense to get a stop for the team, like against Rodgers?

Dak and the offense have to be damn near perfect to win against good teams. That’s a lot of added pressure on them, that the eagles offense doesn’t have.

Lastly, the eagles defense hasn’t given up 30 points yet this year. The cowboys have lost two games where the offense scored 30 or more points.

The cowboys would be 5-1 right now, with the eagles defense. Maybe even 6-0.