FWST: Phillips takes high road with critics but points out he has won more than BP

[windward]

What's funny is, many if not most of these people claimed when Bill left that we were on a fast track back to the Campo/Lacewell years.

It's not worth my time to search for it, but I guarantee you some people in this thread even insisted we'd be 5-11 within three years of Bill quitting.

You're not off base here. I remember exactly the same thing.

 

[Bach]

Why does it have to be one side or the other?

Bill got us on winning track, sure. But plain and simple he quit on the team, I'm not going to defend the man. I simply think the game has passed him by.

I think Wade has done a nice job so far. Could it be better? Of course, but his time is not yet over in Dallas. So I will support the coach.

It doesn't have to be one side or the other, but it was brought up in this thread based on Wade's comments.

"I take pride in that we won a lot of games," Phillips said. "People don't realize how hard it is to win games. They do if they look at the previous four years and the years before that. We won 34 games in three years. Bill (Parcells) won 34 in four years and previous one before that won 34 in six or eight."

Like I said, one would have to be simpleminded to just look at those figures without looking at the circumstances with each situation. Same as if people compared Jimmy's first 3 years with Switzer's. Apples and oranges.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Like I said, one would have to be simpleminded to just look at those figures without looking at the circumstances with each situation. Same as if people compared Jimmy's first 3 years with Switzer's. Apples and oranges.

Exactly. So stop comparing them if there is nothing to compare in your mind. But I'm sure you think BP is better.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

what I don't like is people tearing down Bill to prop up Wade

without Bill, do you really think Jerry changes his way of managing the team?

he was wandering around aimlessly before Bill got here

just think for a moment if he had hired Wade instead of Bill

where we would be at?

yes, Bill didn't quite finish everything that he aimed for and was expected of him, but the quitter talk, the talk of him being an egotistical maniac that didn't care one iota about the Cowboys, and was only here to collect a paycheck is dumb, quite frankly

be glad Bill was here and thank him for his time and effort

we also though can't get around the fact that Wade has done more than Bill did while he was here, but let's not act like Wade is the beacon of Dallas coaches

the fact still remains that he has just one more playoff win than Bill had here

 

[windward]

what I don't like is people tearing down Bill to prop up Wade

without Bill, do you really think Jerry changes his way of managing the team?

he was wandering around aimlessly before Bill got here

just think for a moment if he had hired Wade instead of Bill

where we would be at?

yes, Bill didn't quite finish everything that he that he aimed for and was expected of him, but the quitter talk, the talk of him being an egotistical maniac that didn't care one iota about the Cowboys, and was only here to collect a paycheck is dumb, quite frankly

be glad Bill was here and thank him for his time and effort

Jerry sought out Bill because he realized he needed to change.

 

[Doomsday101]

He's a good defensive coordinator, but that's about it. Sorry you don't want to deal with it, but it's fact.

He has accomplished more in Dallas than any HC we have had in years sorry you can't deal with that. It is right there in black and white no what if or some other hypothetical non sense. I have no problem giving credit to both men they deserve that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jerry sought out Bill because he realized he needed to change.

tis is true

but do you really think we'd be on this track if Wade was hired instead?

it's also true that the game passed Bill by, but in building and managing a team, he far surpassed anything Wade has done here, as Wade largely inherited a system that Bill put in place, and some of his key players

 

[Bach]

Exactly. So stop comparing them if there is nothing to compare in your mind. But I'm sure you think BP is better.

If you ask, yes. And Wade's comments inferring he's better based on the regular season totals of the two despite inheriting vastly different teams is assinine.

 

[Bach]

He has accomplished more in Dallas than any HC we have had in years sorry you can't deal with that. It is right there in black and white no what if or some other hypothetical non sense. I have no problem giving credit to both men they deserve that.

I'm entire grateful we finally got that one wildcard win. I'm sure though that Wade wouldn't have achieved that, or even a winning record if he took over after Campo rather than taking over after BP righted the ship.

 

[windward]

tis is true

but do you really think we'd be on this track if Wade was hired instead?

it's also true that the game passed Bill by, but in building and managing a team, he far surpassed anything Wade has done here, as Wade largely inherited a system that Bill put in place, and some of his key players

It's hard to say because Wade has never been asked to completely rebuild a team.

 

[Doomsday101]

what I don't like is people tearing down Bill to prop up Wade

without Bill, do you really think Jerry changes his way of managing the team?

he was wandering around aimlessly before Bill got here

just think for a moment if he had hired Wade instead of Bill

where we would be at?

yes, Bill didn't quite finish everything that he aimed for and was expected of him, but the quitter talk, the talk of him being an egotistical maniac that didn't care one iota about the Cowboys, and was only here to collect a paycheck is dumb, quite frankly

be glad Bill was here and thank him for his time and effort

we also though can't get around the fact that Wade has done more than Bill did while he was here, but let's not act like Wade is the beacon of Dallas coaches

the fact still remains that he has just one more playoff win than Bill had here

I'm not trying to tear down what BP did, I get sick of the fact that some can't man up and give Phillips the credit he also deserves. He is the HC period not some assistant HC or Co HC he is the real HC of the Dallas Cowboys, when things go wrong it is Wade who the media goes to it is Wade who has to face the music no one else.

 

[DFWJC]

Maybe because Parcells is regarded as one of the best coaches ever.

Like it or not, BP almost has Deity status. You can't deny that BPs resume and reputation takes a big steamy piss all over Wade's. There is no question.

Wade Phillips has nothing to compare to Parcells.

I've grown to like Wade in the past short while but he's a total nut in saying this.

Wade was not putting down BP whatsoever. It is only read like that if you have the BP knee pads on while ready his statement. His point was that 34 games is 3 years is nothing to thumb your nose at.

Nothing more, noting less.

FWIW, the 34 games in 4 years under BP was not too bad given what he started with. But the 34 games in 3 under Wade deserves kudos as well.

 

[Hoofbite]

Wade was not putting down BP whatsoever. It is only read like that if you have the BP knee pads on while ready his statement. His point was that 34 games is 3 years is nothing to thumb your nose at.

Nothing more, noting less.

FWIW, the 34 games in 4 years under BP was not too bad given what he started with. But the 34 games in 3 under Wade deserves kudos as well.

So why even mention Parcells?

Its clear what he was doing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm entire grateful we finally got that one wildcard win. I'm sure though that Wade wouldn't have achieved that, or even a winning record if he took over after Campo rather than taking over after BP righted the ship.

You could be right but that is a hypothetical we don't know because it did not happen.

 

[DFWJC]

So why even mention Parcells?

Its clear what he was doing.

No, it's clear that he is at least slightly (and rarely) tooting his horn, and using a great coach as a gauge....not putting said great coach down.

It was more like "if you are going to give Bill some kudos for his 34 in 4, than maybe 34 in 3 (but under better circumstances) deserves at least something as well".
So not a dig more than a "both are good so be fair about it".

 

[Chocolate Lab]

what I don't like is people tearing down Bill to prop up Wade

And vice-versa.

And about what we'd have done if Wade took over the 5-11 team, who cares? He wasn't asked to do that.

Bill was, and he did a good job.

But who knows how Bill would do trying to make a 9-7 team a Superbowl team? He doesn't even try to do that. Notice how he always takes over terrible teams? Wonder why that is?

 

[Woods]

And vice-versa.

And about what we'd have done if Wade took over the 5-11 team, who cares? He wasn't asked to do that.

Bill was, and he did a good job.

But who knows how Bill would do trying to make a 9-7 team a Superbowl team? He doesn't even try to do that. Notice how he always takes over terrible teams? Wonder why that is?

why do you think that is?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And vice-versa.

And about what we'd have done if Wade took over the 5-11 team, who cares? He wasn't asked to do that.

Bill was, and he did a good job.

But who knows how Bill would do trying to make a 9-7 team a Superbowl team? He doesn't even try to do that. Notice how he always takes over terrible teams? Wonder why that is?

he must be scared

 

[Doomsday101]

he must be scared

I think he gets burned out. Other places he left was due to stress and burn out. BP has said before it is a love/hate relationship the job takes it's toll on him

 

[Apollo Creed]

Parcells did much more with much less. But Wade has built a solid football team and a borderline great defense under more pressure than any other coach in the game today.