FWST: Phillips takes high road with critics but points out he has won more than BP

[Alexander]

It's hard to say because Wade has never been asked to completely rebuild a team.

You got that right.

He's basically taken over relatively sound franchises at each stop where ownership wanted him to basically steward what had already been put in motion. He's never been challenged with a complete rebuilding project.

In Denver, he had Reeves' program to continue. He took over an 8-8 team a year removed from the AFC Championship and three years removed from a Super Bowl.

In Buffalo, he was asked to carry on what Levy started. His inherited team was 6-10 but in the previous two seasons the Bills made the playoffs and were four years removed from the three Super Bowl run.

And for the most part here, he took over for Parcells with the express intent of carrying forward the commitment to the 3-4 defense. To pretend he was brought here for his glowing track record of winning regular season football is ignoring the real reason Jones hired him to begin with.

 

[wileedog]

But who knows how Bill would do trying to make a 9-7 team a Superbowl team? He doesn't even try to do that. Notice how he always takes over terrible teams? Wonder why that is?

Because terrible teams who need a new HC/GM know he can turn their franchise around and offer him a lot of money?

If you want to play this game, how come no terrible teams have ever come knocking at Wade's door to help right the ship?

 

[Alexander]

But who knows how Bill would do trying to make a 9-7 team a Superbowl team? He doesn't even try to do that. Notice how he always takes over terrible teams? Wonder why that is?

Notice how Phillips always takes over five hundred teams? Wonder why that is?

 

[WV Cowboy]

I know I liked BP and thought more highly of him when he first came to Dallas than when he left.

He still has the same pedigree from the Super Bowl years of course, but he wasn't what I hoped he would be while he was here.

On the other hand WP is better than I thought he would be. Contrary to what is being posted in this thread, I think he is a very good HC here in Dallas.

I don't want to tear one down to prop one up, .. just let them each stand on their own merits and accomplishments while here in Dallas.

 

[Alexander]

Because terrible teams who need a new HC/GM know he can turn their franchise around and offer him a lot of money?

If you want to play this game, how come no terrible teams have ever come knocking at Wade's door to help right the ship?

Parcells = evil self-serving glory hound who takes the easy road by taking over bad teams so he looks good

Phillips = nice fellow who gosh darn it has just never been asked to do it

 

[DFWJC]

I think it's tougher to go from average to SB than it from the dregs to average. So Wade's task has not been a cakewalk. With a crappy team you get high draft picks and easy schedules, so going from 5-11 to 8-8 or 9-7 is not miraculous. But after your team is in that playoff mix, the increments get much tighter and progress is tougher.

What set BP apart a couple of centuries ago was that he took more than one so-so team and bulit it into a top tier winner. That was impressive.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Parcells did much more with much less.

Correction:

True, he did with 'much less', but he did not do 'much more'.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells = evil self-serving glory hound who takes the easy road by taking over bad teams so he looks good

Phillips = nice fellow who gosh darn it has just never been asked to do it

You weaken your stance when you get ridiculous. No one ever said Bill was an evil glory hound.

Anyway, forget it. I was just asking a rhetorical question to get some thoughts from people. Not trying to "play that game" (whatever "that game" is).

Cripes, talking Bill is like talking Quincy or Hutch. Just the mention of the name brings out the fangs. People already have their minds made up anyway, so it's completely pointless.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Both men have won squat lately...

What has Parcells won in the last 2 decades? really....supposely built a team and then bolted....thats his MO.

Wade hasn't won anything here either.....but he does have a very good winning percentage and should be respected as a head coach......others get that respect...

This team was not built by just Big Bill.

Bill helped but IMHO he also hurt this team too. Bill's heart was never here to win....he collected a paycheck....loved his ego...and on some occasions payed his old players a retirement check.

Bill played not to lose instead of trying to win. And he would of never won a SB with that attitude.

Also..while as coach...Bill was looking to be in mangement....Giants...whoever.


Wade has taken a team that Bill started getting pieces for and added his own and made this team better.

Lets see where this takes us.

btw....the hype the great Big Bill gets is Favre like......

btw...if Wade fails here....should we hire Bill Walsh next?

You weaken your stance when you get ridiculous. No one ever said Bill was an evil glory hound.

Anyway, forget it. I was just asking a rhetorical question to get some thoughts from people. Not trying to "play that game" (whatever "that game" is).

Cripes, talking Bill is like talking Quincy vs. Hutch. Just the mention of the name brings out the fangs.

you hear that tearing sound? it's the sound of your argument

tearing

 

[Hoofbite]

Parcells = evil self-serving glory hound who takes the easy road by taking over bad teams so he looks good

Phillips = nice fellow who gosh darn it has just never been asked to do it

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Not torn at all. Bill was trying to get the Giants GM job the morning before we played them.

Evil? Of course not, that's ridiculous.

Self-serving? Sure. Anyone claiming it isn't?

 

[peplaw06]

The only thing clear is that some people were never going to give Wade any credit. They loved BP and the change that it meant in their minds re: Jerry and not being a "puppet." They screamed when Jerry hired Wade thinking that it was a return to the old mold of coaching here. Some people's hatred for Jerry would never let them give Wade credit. It would mean they were wrong.

At some point, it's no longer a team Wade inherited. It's a team that did have some talent here yes, but has infused some very important pieces over the past couple years with shrewd transactions.

Just because Romo and Ware are here doesn't mean it's still Bill's team. People who think that way are ignoring the Brookings, Sensabaughs, and Igors on the team.

The team that Wade inherited was coming off a 9-7 year... His first season they were 13-3. That's a 4 game difference with "Bill's team."

 

[Hoofbite]

The only thing clear is that some people were never going to give Wade any credit. They loved BP and the change that it meant in their minds re: Jerry and not being a "puppet." They screamed when Jerry hired Wade thinking that it was a return to the old mold of coaching here. Some people's hatred for Jerry would never let them give Wade credit. It would mean they were wrong.

At some point, it's no longer a team Wade inherited. It's a team that did have some talent here yes, but has infused some very important pieces over the past couple years with shrewd transactions.

Just because Romo and Ware are here doesn't mean it's still Bill's team. People who think that way are ignoring the Brookings, Sensabaughs, and Igors on the team.

The team that Wade inherited was coming off a 9-7 year... His first season they were 13-3. That's a 4 game difference with "Bill's team."

Also helps that Romo started that entire season.

Wade deserves his credit as much as any coach but he doesn't have to try and justify it by saying that Parcells wasn't as successful.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

The only thing clear is that some people were never going to give Wade any credit. They loved BP and the change that it meant in their minds re: Jerry and not being a "puppet." They screamed when Jerry hired Wade thinking that it was a return to the old mold of coaching here. Some people's hatred for Jerry would never let them give Wade credit. It would mean they were wrong.

At some point, it's no longer a team Wade inherited. It's a team that did have some talent here yes, but has infused some very important pieces over the past couple years with shrewd transactions.

Just because Romo and Ware are here doesn't mean it's still Bill's team. People who think that way are ignoring the Brookings, Sensabaughs, and Igors on the team.

The team that Wade inherited was coming off a 9-7 year... His first season they were 13-3. That's a 4 game difference with "Bill's team."

I largely agree with your post, but what transactions have been so shrewd?

 

[Doomsday101]

I largely agree with your post, but what transactions have been so shrewd?

I don't know getting Leonard Davis to replace Marco Rivera. Outside of newman a complete overhaul of the secondary

 

[DFWJC]

People who think that way are ignoring the Brookings, Sensabaughs, and Igors on the team.
."

also....Jenkins, Felix, Spencer, Choice, L Davis, Free, Scandrick, Bueler, Ogletree, Butler, M Hamlin, etc, etc, etc.........

He took over the reigns and built on it nicely. I have hard time saying much bad about either BP or WP.

 

[superpunk]

Salud!

 

[peplaw06]

I largely agree with your post, but what transactions have been so shrewd?

I mentioned three of them in my post.

 

[wileedog]

The only thing clear is that some people were never going to give Wade any credit.

It has nothing to do with that. Its people constantly making the claim that Wade has accomplished more than Parcells when Wade inherited a playoff team with an All Pro QB and Parcells inherited Quincy Carter.

Its an apples to oranges comparision yet it pops up daily in multiple threads, and now even Wade is making the dishonest comparison to try and prop himself up.

The team that Wade inherited was coming off a 9-7 year... His first season they were 13-3. That's a 4 game difference with "Bill's team."

The 9-7 year was Romo's first starting and he wasn't even in there for 1/3 of the season.

And conveniently left out is that the team completely spiraled out of his control in Wade's 2nd season coming off 13-3 and led to one of the worst losses in franchise history.

Wade did a nice job here this year and I give him credit for that, but again he still has more than Bill had, particularly in Romo finally maturing, and he still hasn't won anything but 1 Wild Card game - followed by another pummeling to end the season.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Huh?

With Campo's team he went 10-6

Then he went

6-10
9-7
9-7
Overall record those last 3 years was 24-24, how is that "mostly winning and drafting high"?
His top 2 picks in 2003 Terence Newman and Al Johnson
His top 2 picks in 2004 Julius Jones and Jacob Rogers.
His top 2 picks in 2005 Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears
His top 2 picks in 2006 Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Fasano

Compare that too Wades drafts with much worse draft positions

And that's better than most can do while rebuilding a team.