Garrett as a lameduck

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It is not an either/or proposition. Just because he is not the main problem, that does not mean he is not part of the problem or have zero culpability.

My biggest bone of contention with him is that of every coach Jones has ever hired save Parcells, he has had the best chance to succeed. This is mainly because I believe he is entirely capable of manipulating Jones in a subtle enough way to be about as successful as any coach can with the way he runs things.

He just has not progressed nearly as quickly as he needed to once hired as the head coach. He should not be having game management problems by this stage. He does not appear to have matured much since the day he took the job.

I don't disagree. everyone is culpable, but to what degree.successful organizations have coaches/GMs and support folks that complement each other and work in unison.

but to say that dump garrett and problem is fixed, is not valid. we have had Wade, parcells as coaches and they failed as well. experienced coaches, with long resumes of success. everyone since Jimmy Johnson has failed.

do I think Garrett needs improvements? yes. But the things that need improvement aren't insurmountable given right organization. its just that in cowboys organization its 10 times as difficult. there are only a handful of coaches, who can be the show and don't need the support system to succeed. Even John Harbaugh with Ravens, would fail and fail miserably if he was the cowboys head coach. Not sure if bilicheck would see the same success having to constantly deal with a meddling GM/ Owner. would he be able to will us to a couple of more victories? yes. but the more success cowboys see, the more Jerry wants involved and be the face and take credit and the worse it gets. its like the movie matrix. the more you fight Mr. Smith, the stronger he gets (sarcasm).

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No I didn't. Garrett is a large part of the problem. You think it's ok to have a coach who needs training up when there are guys who have skins on the wall? At least give them a call. Jerry isn't going anywhere right? That's the consensus. Till he dies he's the GM. At least put somebody on the sidelines Jerry that can manage a game.

show me a coach who hasn't needed training? there isn't any. perhaps Landry and Lombardi. even the great bilicheck needed training. parcells made his share of mistakes before winning. but one thing is for sure, if the organization is weak, no coach will succeed. even billicheck would fail here. jim harbaugh would fail here.

and to your point, jerry isn't going anywhere. so what's the point of having another coach? HOPE? is that all you want? and what do you think is going to happen? jerry is going to wake up and go aha, I just realized I suck and I am going to step away from being a GM!!! well he does that when the proverbial shiet hits the fan. then as soon as there is a little success, or hope of success, he is front and center and trying to manipulate things to get over the top and that's when things get screwed up.l one thing is for sure and we have seen it first hand (undeniable), constant changing isn't any good, because your are constantly changing directions. we have been down that road for the past 16-17 years. lets see something through for a change.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Why do you think he "has" to? He's going to make money with the Cowboys whether they win or not. I heard Drew Pearson on a radio show last summer say that Jerry told him he doesn't really care if the Cowboys win or not. (DP wasn't happy about that either, nor am I).

he has to, if the fan base erodes. one thing Jerry is very very good at, is marketing. he is marketing the team, keeping them relevant in the media, although not on the field. so he creates hope and hope brings people in and sells merchandise and sells tickets. he told everyone we are superbowl bound and we want to be the team that hosts a superbowl, blah blah, well, we all bought into it, except those who understood football that didn't think we had the good to compete. and when it got worse, he changed coaches. and he created hope....and if we don't succeed this year, whe will make a change, yet again...to create interest and hope......

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Just for simple relevance. I do not believe he cares about winning as long as his toy stadium is filled with 90,000 suckers paying top dollar for an average product.

But I do think the fan base is getting more and more disgusted and he would have a tough time extending Garrett without a tangible reason to do so. In other words, playoffs at least.

I agree. if we were 5-11 and 90,000 butts were in the seats. he could care less. he will give his schpill, do generic talk of building, etc. but he would be ok.

however, winning and fan base go together as you said and once we start to lose and interest goes down, he will make a change.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

show me a coach who hasn't needed training? there isn't any. perhaps Landry and Lombardi. even the great bilicheck needed training. parcells made his share of mistakes before winning. but one thing is for sure, if the organization is weak, no coach will succeed. even billicheck would fail here. jim harbaugh would fail here.

and to your point, jerry isn't going anywhere. so what's the point of having another coach? HOPE? is that all you want? and what do you think is going to happen? jerry is going to wake up and go aha, I just realized I suck and I am going to step away from being a GM!!! well he does that when the proverbial shiet hits the fan. then as soon as there is a little success, or hope of success, he is front and center and trying to manipulate things to get over the top and that's when things get screwed up.l one thing is for sure and we have seen it first hand (undeniable), constant changing isn't any good, because your are constantly changing directions. we have been down that road for the past 16-17 years. lets see something through for a change.

We're not going to agree. I think Garrett stinks.

 

[cajuncocoa]

he has to, if the fan base erodes. one thing Jerry is very very good at, is marketing. he is marketing the team, keeping them relevant in the media, although not on the field. so he creates hope and hope brings people in and sells merchandise and sells tickets. he told everyone we are superbowl bound and we want to be the team that hosts a superbowl, blah blah, well, we all bought into it, except those who understood football that didn't think we had the good to compete. and when it got worse, he changed coaches. and he created hope....and if we don't succeed this year, whe will make a change, yet again...to create interest and hope......

people are seriously messed up if they don't see he's blowing smoke. I would think there are enough people in the DFW area who are old enough to remember what a Super Bowl contender really looks like. It doesn't look like this current Cowboys team.

 

[Blackspider214]

Who cares if he can motivate. When will that ever translate into anything besides 8-8 and no playoffs?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We're not going to agree. I think Garrett stinks.

I guess so. I am reluctant to pass judgment on garrett until I see him fail somewhere else. call it the jerry effect. looking at things in vaccum, you would say parcells was average.

This is probably his last year here. our team might become more competitive next year, but may not translate to playoffs and that spells the end of garrett. our defense will (ok, should) improve (how can you not if you were one of the worst in history), but I think eagles have leap frogged us and will be the team to beat in the division, and with the NFC west as competitive as it is, and Carolina and saints probably in the picture and Atlanta having a hiccup, even now, it seems very unlikely for us to get to playoffs. Our talent base is not that good outside of a few players. we have some stars, but there is a huge gap in the middle to the medicore players on the roster and that's where we are ailing badly.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I guess so. I am reluctant to pass judgment on garrett until I see him fail somewhere else. call it the jerry effect. looking at things in vaccum, you would say parcells was average.

This is probably his last year here. our team might become more competitive next year, but may not translate to playoffs and that spells the end of garrett. our defense will (ok, should) improve (how can you not if you were one of the worst in history), but I think eagles have leap frogged us and will be the team to beat in the division, and with the NFC west as competitive as it is, and Carolina and saints probably in the picture and Atlanta having a hiccup, even now, it seems very unlikely for us to get to playoffs. Our talent base is not that good outside of a few players. we have some stars, but there is a huge gap in the middle to the medicore players on the roster and that's where we are ailing badly.

We'll see how it pans out. I don't think they'll be very good next season but I hope I am wrong.

 

[Redball Express]

I've given Garrett a lot of rope, but it's going to take a huge shift in his performance for me to want him back.

How can you be the most conservative coach on 4th down in the entire league (which is awful in itself) when you have one of the worst defenses in the entire league?

At times it seems like he's actively making decisions with a negative expected value. Abandoning the run for halves at a time. Making a habit of airing it out on 3rd and short (and then punting).

He seems to have no real philosophy and fails to grasp the big picture. I'm ready for a new regime.

I think there is going to be a big shift in the offense.

This Linehart hire I believe is going to bring more balance..

although I still think passing the ball will still be our main weapons.

Barring more injuries on the OL or at WR..

running is not going to win championships.

Unless you have a defense like Seattle's.

 

[big dog cowboy]

When will that ever translate into anything besides 8-8 and no playoffs?

When will we have a healthy defense again?

 

[CyberB0b]

Tom Coughlin was just extend another year to avoid a lame duck season.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Tom Coughlin was just extend another year to avoid a lame duck season.

Yeah, but he has actually like accomplished things in the NFL.

 

[Beast_from_East]

actually its you who missed the point. we have had a parade of coaches here since jimmy, none of them succeeded. garrett is not the problem.

Well Wade did win 2 division titles and a playoff game in 3 full seasons on the job.............compared to Mr. 500 entering year 4 still looking for his first winning record...........I would say that was pretty successful.

 

[Beast_from_East]

We really have to do this dance again, Alex? Because it has to be getting old for you, too.

How 'bout you guys just keep venting until everybody feels better, instead. Meanwhile, the team can focus on addressing the defensive personnel problems that keep us from winning games against teams who can throw the ball effectively.

I don't think venting is going to change the scoreboard or Opie's record against teams that don't suck.

We have a head coach entering year 4 and still looking for his first winning season.

And if the only problem is pass defense, why are we on our 6th coordinator in 3 seasons, over 12 coaching changes overall which is 31st in the NFL ahead of only freaking Cleveland.

Just a couple of questions the majority of the board is pondering these days.

 

[Idgit]

I don't think venting is going to change the scoreboard or Opie's record against teams that don't suck.

We have a head coach entering year 4 and still looking for his first winning season.

And if the only problem is pass defense, why are we on our 6th coordinator in 3 seasons, over 12 coaching changes overall which is 31st in the NFL ahead of only freaking Cleveland.

Just a couple of questions the majority of the board is pondering these days.

And all of which have been addressed over and over and over. My suggestion: stick to the stats that matter and don't hang your hat on irrelevant lists like Most Coaching Changes in an Irrelevant Time Frame. We've done a lot of staff juggling recently. So what?

 

[CyberB0b]

And all of which have been addressed over and over and over. My suggestion: stick to the stats that matter and don't hang your hat on irrelevant lists like Most Coaching Changes in an Irrelevant Time Frame. We've done a lot of staff juggling recently. So what?

I think it is very relevant. It shows the true disconnect in this franchise. There isn't unity here. We aren't privy to all of the information, so we have to make a lot of assumptions, but it is pretty clear that dysfunction exists in this regime.

 

[ConstantReboot]

every great coach has had on the job training. carroll and billicheck failed in their first attempts. but its obvious what a strong organizational structure has done for both.

But those great coaches you mentioned already had coaching experience, whether it was in college or as an assistant for many years. Garrett getting a head coach gig is as green as it gets. Whats worst was how hyped he was as being some kind of "red-headed genius" as though he was some kind of guru.

A lot of people here seem to be blinded by him having ties to the team of the 90s as an excuse for being inexperience and be given a pass to being head coach. That should not be a determining factor why he should be selected as head coach. A smart GM would open the head coaching job to the most qualified. Garrett was not the most qualified. He got it because he was from the team of the 90s and that was one way of bringing back this team to its glory days. Jerry certainly has bee drinking too much which has clouded his thinking.

 

[Idgit]

I think it is very relevant. It shows the true disconnect in this franchise. There isn't unity here. We aren't privy to all of the information, so we have to make a lot of assumptions, but it is pretty clear that dysfunction exists in this regime.

Not necessarily. Maybe he just made an error in who he hired for his defensive coaching staff. It's a short window of time during which most of the teams hadn't undergone a coaching change. Obviously, we've been juggling because we haven't been satisfied with the staff. That's better than sticking with something you don't like.

Similarly, we're likely in a group of teams that's had the most roster turnover during that same period. Is that necessarily dysfunction? I don't think so. Even if Cleveland happens to have churned their roster at a similar rate.

 

[17yearsandcounting]

Not necessarily. Maybe he just made an error in who he hired for his defensive coaching staff. It's a short window of time during which most of the teams hadn't undergone a coaching change. Obviously, we've been juggling because we haven't been satisfied with the staff. That's better than sticking with something you don't like.

Similarly, we're likely in a group of teams that's had the most roster turnover during that same period. Is that necessarily dysfunction? I don't think so. Even if Cleveland happens to have churned their roster at a similar rate.

LOL at still parrotting this roster turnover crap. Go look and see what the Colts have done while Ginger has been watching the town catch fire. The roster turnover excuse only points the finger at the talent gatherers not having a clue what they are doing because plenty of playoff teams have had just as much or more.