Garrett as a lameduck

[CyberB0b]

The plan for him is to be coach of the Dallas Cowboys long term, certainly beyond this year

So is this an indicator that he is about to get an extension?

 

[Alexander]

I think that's way overblown and exaggerated. Most of those years they had a pathetic crap offensive line. I didn't want them to run it either.

But I am okay with an offense that consistently ranks in the top half of the league during Garrett's tenure.

After the Thanksgiving game, it was clear that we had a functional OL. He could have rode that momentum into a couple of wins and a playoff berth.

But there we were in Green Bay and had Orton throwing the ball all over the place in the finale.

 

[Alexander]

So is this an indicator that he is about to get an extension?

Jones is dumb but I do not think he is that idiotic.

How his team and Garrett especially is perceived right now is delicate.

Extending him now would be a bizarre move and a huge gamble.

I am sure he took notes on how things worked out for Rivera in Carolina.

 

[jobberone]

I guess it all depends on who is defining the criticisms as "relevant" or "ridiculous".

I am sure some criticisms sound "ridiculous" to some posters while those very same criticisms sound "relevant" to other posters and vice versa.

No surprise that those that support Garrett tend to see more criticisms as "ridiculous" while those that are not enamored with him tend to see more criticisms as "relevant".

The bolded is what is ridiculous. No matter how many times someone says they aren't a big supporter of Garrett, you still get this. This appears to be nonsense and ridiculous to me as it contradicts what a member says he thinks. I can see things in both a positive and less than positive view and try to come away with a balanced perception. Another place people lose me is when they start calling players, coaches, etc names. The very worst NFL player is a very good football player. The coach with the least number of skills is a great coach. The worst GM in the league is WAY better at his (I'm waiting on the first her) job than anyone on this site. The very idea of calling Jerry a stupid clown when he's as successful as he's been (a SB every 7 years) is so arrogant I can't describe it.

Does anyone on the team have some shortcomings? Absolutely. Jerry has more than one. I'm still on the fence about Garrett. I never bothered to climb it on one occasion.

But in the end we're all Dallas Cowboys' fans and that says a lot to me.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well Wade did win 2 division titles and a playoff game in 3 full seasons on the job.............compared to Mr. 500 entering year 4 still looking for his first winning record...........I would say that was pretty successful.

wade inherited a team that was disciplined coming from parcells...... and what did those two division titles get us? do you equate that to success? is that your measuring stick?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But those great coaches you mentioned already had coaching experience, whether it was in college or as an assistant for many years. Garrett getting a head coach gig is as green as it gets. Whats worst was how hyped he was as being some kind of "red-headed genius" as though he was some kind of guru.

A lot of people here seem to be blinded by him having ties to the team of the 90s as an excuse for being inexperience and be given a pass to being head coach. That should not be a determining factor why he should be selected as head coach. A smart GM would open the head coaching job to the most qualified. Garrett was not the most qualified. He got it because he was from the team of the 90s and that was one way of bringing back this team to its glory days. Jerry certainly has bee drinking too much which has clouded his thinking.

John Harbaugh went from specials team coach to coaching the ravens. to winning the superbowl. no coordinator job. but a very strong organization. Mike tomlin was a defensive coordinator to head coach. strong organization. if there is a strong organization, with defined roles and responsibilities, and a focus and commitment to football, then coaches usually succeed, they overcome adversity and mistakes.

compare that to cowboys....and tampa who hired a former college headcoach, or dolphins who are dealing with a mess, and raiders, Detroit, buffalo, jets...all of which have chaotic front offices. doesn't matter who the headcoach is, they usually don't find the success despite having everything at their disposal.

and the hype was jerry. I never bought into it. I never bought into the team being superbowl ready a few years back. jerry sells sells sells and that's what a lot of fans buy into unfortunately. I like garrett. I think he brought a calm to the organization and despite all of jerry's meddling has tried to keep things focused on football. its tough as we have heard over and over and over again from players who leave the cowboys that there is a Hollywood atmosphere to the cowboys. its not all about football.

 

[ConstantReboot]

John Harbaugh went from specials team coach to coaching the ravens. to winning the superbowl. no coordinator job. but a very strong organization. Mike tomlin was a defensive coordinator to head coach. strong organization. if there is a strong organization, with defined roles and responsibilities, and a focus and commitment to football, then coaches usually succeed, they overcome adversity and mistakes.

compare that to cowboys....and tampa who hired a former college headcoach, or dolphins who are dealing with a mess, and raiders, Detroit, buffalo, jets...all of which have chaotic front offices. doesn't matter who the headcoach is, they usually don't find the success despite having everything at their disposal.

and the hype was jerry. I never bought into it. I never bought into the team being superbowl ready a few years back. jerry sells sells sells and that's what a lot of fans buy into unfortunately. I like garrett. I think he brought a calm to the organization and despite all of jerry's meddling has tried to keep things focused on football. its tough as we have heard over and over and over again from players who leave the cowboys that there is a Hollywood atmosphere to the cowboys. its not all about football.

I agree with you somewhat. But Garrett is now in the drivers seat and he has every means in his possession to right the ship and so far he has not done so. We can make all the excuses we want and point the blame on Jerry for not allowing Garrett to coach the way he has. But all in all, Garrett is the head coach and if it means butting heads with Jerry to accomplish what he wants than more power to him. So far, he has been nothing more than a puppet and doesn't stand up to his on values. He lets Jerry impose his will on him and all he does is agree with what Jerry has put in place.

I would give Garrett more respect if he went 1-15 and coached the way he sees fit. But even that he can't do because his inability to make the right albeit simple decisions for the betterment of the team. But he makes none of those decisions. He lets Jerry run roughshod over him. He doesn't stand up to management and challenge them on crucial matters. Maybe he doesn't want to. Maybe he is afraid to. But he has a choice to make matters right despite what Jerry says. Yet his nothing more than a YES man who does what his master tells him to.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree with you somewhat. But Garrett is now in the drivers seat and he has every means in his possession to right the ship and so far he has not done so. We can make all the excuses we want and point the blame on Jerry for not allowing Garrett to coach the way he has. But all in all, Garrett is the head coach and if it means butting heads with Jerry to accomplish what he wants than more power to him. So far, he has been nothing more than a puppet and doesn't stand up to his on values. He lets Jerry impose his will on him and all he does is agree with what Jerry has put in place.

I would give Garrett more respect if he went 1-15 and coached the way he sees fit. But even that he can't do because his inability to make the right albeit simple decisions for the betterment of the team. But he makes none of those decisions. He lets Jerry run roughshod over him. He doesn't stand up to management and challenge them on crucial matters. Maybe he doesn't want to. Maybe he is afraid to. But he has a choice to make matters right despite what Jerry says. Yet his nothing more than a YES man who does what his master tells him to.

to your point, jerry has continued to meddle with Garrett. in the wrong way. not that its all imploding, he is given him the control. the question then should be is it too little too late? do we expect miracles specially that we haven't addressed the undelying issues. just think, in the past two years, Jerry fired the DC, brought in his guy, forced the defense to change scheme, pushed for room to have more say in game planning and play call management, forced Callahan onto garrett as OC, because in his mind, it was too much for garrett (instead of accepting the fact that our OL sucked).

and to your point, Garrett has become a puppet. its Jerry. not necessarily Garrett. Even the great parcells became a puppet at the end and he left because of it. he puts on a good face. taking one for the organization, but inside you can tell his boiling a bit. and I am with you. we all read and heard the stories about callhan being pushed on garrett and garrettt argued it. eventually he took over and that's when we saw the offense change. he put on a good face. made it as if its normal course of process, but we all know what happened. In some ways, I think Garrett is trying to teach Jerry. keep focused. don't let distractions get to you. dismiss all other Hollywood stuff and stay the course. stay focused and stay on football. but Jerry just does too much and its sometimes a losing battle, because it keeps coming at you.

I do think this might be garrett's last year. Jerry has set him up for a win win for himself. if he succeeds, he will claim he has learned, lets the organization do it, he is the GM and he works with the head coach, blah blah blah
if he fails, then he can say, I let him run the show, he failed, so he is let go.

either way, the fans will be happy. either we succeed. or garrett gets fired and there is renewed hope with a new coaching staff.

I think this is a very tough year for garrett. our defense should improve. how can you not. but there are also external factors. I think eagles are the class of the division and we play NFC west and that's tough. we may actually be a better team, but our record won't indicate it and that's all jerry needs.

 

[Idgit]

John Harbaugh went from specials team coach to coaching the ravens. to winning the superbowl. no coordinator job. but a very strong organization. Mike tomlin was a defensive coordinator to head coach. strong organization. if there is a strong organization, with defined roles and responsibilities, and a focus and commitment to football, then coaches usually succeed, they overcome adversity and mistakes.

compare that to cowboys....and tampa who hired a former college headcoach, or dolphins who are dealing with a mess, and raiders, Detroit, buffalo, jets...all of which have chaotic front offices. doesn't matter who the headcoach is, they usually don't find the success despite having everything at their disposal.

and the hype was jerry. I never bought into it. I never bought into the team being superbowl ready a few years back. jerry sells sells sells and that's what a lot of fans buy into unfortunately. I like garrett. I think he brought a calm to the organization and despite all of jerry's meddling has tried to keep things focused on football. its tough as we have heard over and over and over again from players who leave the cowboys that there is a Hollywood atmosphere to the cowboys. its not all about football.

Just wanted to say that I think this is a really good post, CFDC. Probably mostly because I agree with it.

And we don't have a good read on how the Garrett/Jones dynamic actually works. Only what we see publicly. It stands to reason that JG would not benefit from publicly disagreeing strongly with Jerry Jones, so I don't know that we can guess much about how they work things out, either way. Last year's draft war room was about as close as we're going to get to seeing how they handle conflict.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Those millions Jerry pays Jason help him have no problem saying yes & how high should I jump Jerry?

Jason has no problem blaming others & he'll step over whoever he has to.

I would say he & Jerry are two peas in the same pod.

 

[Miller]

I don't care about Jason and Jerry's dynamic. I don't care about the staff. I just don't think Garrett is or ever will be a good coach. He is a worse, less seasoned version of Kubiak. A lot of mental errors. Easily outcoached. May have the sun shine on his tail one year but e will waste many others getting there. Jerry even admitted this. So what is there to love?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Garrett is the head coach and if it means butting heads with Jerry to accomplish what he wants than more power to him. So far, he has been nothing more than a puppet and doesn't stand up to his on values. He lets Jerry impose his will on him and all he does is agree with what Jerry has put in place.

My support for JG has fallen considerably but IMO you are selling him a little short this morning. The situation isn't that extreme. His voice carries some weight with Jerry.

 

[Idgit]

...Jason has no problem blaming others & he'll step over whoever he has to...

Why is it this perception gets repeated here, despite all evidence to the contrary? I can't even count any more how many times Jason blames himself, or the ways in which he'll honestly answer a question about how a single in-game decision was made while staunchly defending his players and coaches overall. Is it just anti-intellectualism that has people repeating the opposite for no good reason at all?

It's the same guy who's said he makes several play calls 'he'd like to have back' in just about every game who comes out and says 'if Tony had it to do over again, he'd probably make a different decision there." What's up with fans that we expect every call to be right in every circumstance and we won't allow a coach or player to recognize a mistake while still believing in the overall direction of the team? This is the stuff that's immediately ignored when I team is winning big games, and it's magnified beyond all importance after losses. Meanwhile, we're still a bottom-5 team, three years running, at one of the two most important factors when it comes to winning football games. And that's not happening because a head coach acknowledges a mistake or two in a post-game press conference.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Why is it this perception gets repeated here, despite all evidence to the contrary? I can't even count any more how many times Jason blames himself, or the ways in which he'll honestly answer a question about how a single in-game decision was made while staunchly defending his players and coaches overall. Is it just anti-intellectualism that has people repeating the opposite for no good reason at all?

It's the same guy who's said he makes several play calls 'he'd like to have back' in just about every game who comes out and says 'if Tony had it to do over again, he'd probably make a different decision there." What's up with fans that we expect every call to be right in every circumstance and we won't allow a coach or player to recognize a mistake while still believing in the overall direction of the team? This is the stuff that's immediately ignored when I team is winning big games, and it's magnified beyond all importance after losses. Meanwhile, we're still a bottom-5 team, three years running, at one of the two most important factors when it comes to winning football games. And that's not happening because a head coach acknowledges a mistake or two in a post-game press conference.

Aww poor Jason.

 

[Idgit]

Aww poor Jason.

This isn't an argument.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Lame duck coach... That will end with
Lame season... That will be because of
Lame owner.

The motto for upcoming season,

If you are a realist, "expect everything, get nothing"!
If you are a pessimist , "expect nothing, get nothing"!
If you are a idealist, "expect everything get everything"!

 

[tantrix1969]

'if Tony had it to do over again, he'd probably make a different decision there."

Rather than throwing Romo under the bus with that statement he should of said he as HC should of overrode the playcall(which was a check play designed to check out of run if Tony sees a certain look)

 

[Hoofbite]

John Harbaugh went from specials team coach to coaching the ravens. to winning the superbowl. no coordinator job. but a very strong organization. Mike tomlin was a defensive coordinator to head coach. strong organization. if there is a strong organization, with defined roles and responsibilities, and a focus and commitment to football, then coaches usually succeed, they overcome adversity and mistakes.

compare that to cowboys....and tampa who hired a former college headcoach, or dolphins who are dealing with a mess, and raiders, Detroit, buffalo, jets...all of which have chaotic front offices. doesn't matter who the headcoach is, they usually don't find the success despite having everything at their disposal.

and the hype was jerry. I never bought into it. I never bought into the team being superbowl ready a few years back. jerry sells sells sells and that's what a lot of fans buy into unfortunately. I like garrett. I think he brought a calm to the organization and despite all of jerry's meddling has tried to keep things focused on football. its tough as we have heard over and over and over again from players who leave the cowboys that there is a Hollywood atmosphere to the cowboys. its not all about football.

Harbaugh started coaching before Jason took a snap in the NFL.

Tomlin had multiple years of experience before getting a HC job.

Both worked their way up from the college ranks.

Really, no comparison.

 

[Idgit]

Rather than throwing Romo under the bus with that statement he should of said he as HC should of overrode the playcall(which was a check play designed to check out of run if Tony sees a certain look)

Why? Isn't it ok for a QB to check to a play and have the be a mistake in one single isolated situation? We can't talk about that--while at the same time propping up the QB play overall every chance he gets like he always does--without people resorting to saying he's throwing people under the bus? How about when he talks openly about his own mistakes, as he does regularly, despite people pretending to the contrary all the time?

Garrett's about as positive and supportive a person overall as they come. He outlaws words like 'anxiety' or 'upset' and uses 'challenging' instead. He won't comment or compare players year to year. He's overwhelmingly positive about his staff and his players in general, and only occasionally will he talk about a single play or call in an isolated context where he's willing to admit that a mistake was made. And he rolls the responsibility up to the HC position in just about every context where he's critical.

I've gone through and transcripted press conferences where people have indicated he's done the contrary, and it's always been pretty clear that he's assigning blame selectively and reserving responsibility for him and his staff. The possible exception is that GB game where he still didn't really say anything all that objectionable, but where I'd agree he seemed to be trying not to say something a lot more critical. But, even then, he was pretty tame.

 

[CyberB0b]

To further what @Hoofbite said:

John Harbaugh started coaching in 1984 and spent 9 years with the Eagles.
Mike Tomlin started coaching in 1995 and spent 7 years in the NFL with various teams.