Garrett Has Lost Me

[RainMan]

I'm not sold on Garrett as a head coaching candidate, but I find it funny there's a thread criticizing Garrett on the eve of our offense putting up back-to-back 30-plus-point games and being ranked No. 2 in the league.

I realize no one is ever perfect and that we can always find room to improve, but this isn't a battle I see as needing to be waged right now.

 

[jterrell]

I had to triple check because I was sure this was some bumped thread meant to poke fun but no... the OP, deliriously, posted this today....

Not sure what to say, except the obvious... the Seahawks played 8 in the box to stop the run so we passed and passed well. And we still totaled 113 yards rushing.

We hit over 50% on 3rd down which is a very good number and kept Seattle on it's hells all game because we controlled the game. The Seahawks put very little pressure on Romo because the OL did a fine job blocking for him.

 

[Randy White]

who are criticizing Garrett for not using the run enough ( even though the breakdown is, at worst, 60/40%, more like 55/45% ) : Have you stop to think that's ALSO done by design, as in: long term planning design ?

For instance, it's the 7th game of the season. The weather is good, everybody is relatively healthy, the team is on a roll. What better time than to nail down the rythem of the passing game where it becomes second nature to the QB, receivers, TEs, and even RBs ?

I remember Norv's philosophy with Troy was that he wanted to pass as much as possible in the first drive, and most of the first half, of the game to get Troy in rythem. Then, in the 2nd half, close out the game with Emmitt running the ball.

Could it be possible that Garrett is taking the same philosophy and applying it to the entire season ? As in: get TR and the passing game in rythem during the first part of the season when the weather is good and when December rolls around and you're on the road in NY, NO, and Washington you have a basically fresh O-line with 3 relatively fresh RBs you can use to keep the ball away from the opponent ? And, if necessary, the passing game has been established enough were it could be counted on if needed to win some of this games ?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I was a big JG supporter from Day One. And it's not some his inexplicable individual play calls that have put me off his offensive approach.

It's the fact that he calls the run so lousy. That is, RB's talk about 'getting into a rhythm" and the amount of plays necessary for them to get that feeling. What I think that means is that the O-line gets into a rhythm. They get a feel for moving amongst themselves, and the RB gets a feel from the O-line.

Garrett seldom lts the O-line get into it's rhythm. It's pass-pass-pass or pass-run-pass but never a real commitment to the run. Which is fine when the passing game is hot, but when it's not, the whole offense is out of sync.

Bottom line: JG is just lucky he has a QB like Romo.

We score 38 and you complain about Garrett?

 

[dbair1967]

Pretty typical....score 31 pts on offense, control the ball almost 35 minutes, 10 different players catch passes, we outrush our opponent and STILL we have boneheads bashing the offensive coordinator

Yeah, this is a

 

[jterrell]

Yes, that was a stupid call. Yes there were a couple of times when Garrett lost the " feel " for the game. I thought he did in the 2nd quarter on two drives. One when we were backed into our endzone, we should have called for more crossing patterns instead of down the field patterns. Obviously TR had the time because he couldn't find anybody open and had to throw the ball away. Still, that happens in every game to every single play caller around the league.

Having said that, have y'all stop to think about that some of this play calls, as stupid as they might seemed to the untrained eye, are actually designed for the following week's game ?

Doesn't the Eagles defensive coordinator now has to spend time making sure his players are aware that Austin could be used on a reverse ?

The call looks bad only because Crayton fumbled.

Not sure of the average but I guarantee you we are close to 8 yards per reverse attempt with few if any losses on the entire year.

Teams commit a lot inside to Barber so they are ripe to reverses and we run them very well. Not only that but we may have the best blocking WRs in football. We do very well outside regularly because they clear that area with stellar blocking.

Teams love to blitz up the middle on 3rd and short and about all that keeps them honest are screens or reverses. You are 100% correct int hat a team needs to call enough change up plays to force defenses to be honest against them.

 

[RainMan]

I had to triple check because I was sure this was some bumped thread meant to poke fun but no... the OP, deliriously, posted this today....

Not sure what to say, except the obvious... the Seahawks played 8 in the box to stop the run so we passed and passed well. And we still totaled 113 yards rushing.

We hit over 50% on 3rd down which is a very good number and kept Seattle on it's hells all game because we controlled the game. The Seahawks put very little pressure on Romo because the OL did a fine job blocking for him.

I'm no Garrett apologist, but I think the obvious answer is this: He has a big ole red-haired bull's eye on his back and fans are ready to take aim whenever possible.

Thirty eight points and a victory? Pfft. We want more runs, ******!

 

[jterrell]

who are criticizing Garrett for not using the run enough ( even though the breakdown is, at worst, 60/40%, more like 55/45% ) : Have you stop to think that's ALSO done by design, as in: long term planning design ?

For instance, it's the 7th game of the season. The weather is good, everybody is relatively healthy, the team is on a roll. What better time than to nail down the rythem of the passing game where it becomes second nature to the QB, receivers, TEs, and even RBs ?

I remember Norv's philosophy with Troy was that he wanted to pass as much as possible in the first drive, and most of the first half, of the game to get Troy in rythem. Then, in the 2nd half, close out the game with Emmitt running the ball.

Could it be possible that Garrett is taking the same philosophy and applying it to the entire season ? As in: get TR and the passing game in rythem during the first part of the season when the weather is good and when December rolls around and you're on the road in NY, NO, and Washington you have a basically fresh O-line with 3 relatively fresh RBs you can use to keep the ball away from the opponent ? And, if necessary, the passing game has been established enough were it could be counted on if needed to win some of this games ?

It has nothing to do with that bro.

TR has two calls at the line of scrimmage: pass/run.
He goes with run if there are 7 or less int he box and pass if there are more.
That's why he spends 10 seconds at the line every snap. It's the same stuff both Manning's do.

Very simple football, just taking what is given.

They even talked about it during the game. Dallas is saying we'll do whatever you give us and we'll do it very well.

 

[jterrell]

I'm no Garrett apologist, but I think the obvious answer is this: He has a big ole red-haired bull's eye on his back and fans are ready to take aim whenever possible.

Thirty eight points and a victory? Pfft. We want more runs, ******!

I was as hot at Garrett as most folks last year and earlier this year. I saw he had some growing pains.
But now he is doing a great job of designing some change up plays but mostly relying on a staple of strong suits and then having TR go to the play the defense is giving us.

It's not like Andy Reid calling 65% passes all year.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

He called a great game last week...this week was just “ok.” But he got too pass happy again. He got away from the run and where the hell is Choice???

 

[jimmy40]

whatever. throwing up by 4tds with 8 minutes left is just stupid. the bad things that can happen out-weigh the good by a lot.

He was just trying to help out all the Cowboys fans that were crying about the power rankings.

 

[Rampage]

He was just trying to help out all the Cowboys fans that were crying about the power rankings.

:laugh2: gotta get that bowl bid

 

[Randy White]

I thought that Crayton was the one that fumbled on that play.

So did Miles:

1st quarter
20) M.Austin right end to SEA 16 for 5 yards (J.Babineaux). FUMBLES (J.Babineaux), and recovers at SEA 19.

PENALTY on DAL-M.Bennett, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 21 - No Play.


That was, imo, a dumb play call because it was 3rd and short after a 12 yards completion to Roy Williams and you had Barber which could get 1 yard with his eyes close. On 3rd and short, it doesn't make sense to call a long develop play when you're running the ball the way the Cowboys were and have the personnel the Cowboys have.

He got too cute, but, again, so does EVERY single play caller in football everywhere. It happens.

 

[craig71]

So did Miles:

1st quarter
20) M.Austin right end to SEA 16 for 5 yards (J.Babineaux). FUMBLES (J.Babineaux), and recovers at SEA 19.

PENALTY on DAL-M.Bennett, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 21 - No Play.


That was, imo, a dumb play call because it was 3rd and short after a 12 yards completion to Roy Williams and you had Barber which could get 1 yard with his eyes close. On 3rd and short, it doesn't make sense to call a long develop play when you're running the ball the way the Cowboys were and have the personnel the Cowboys have.

He got too cute, but, again, so does EVERY single player caller in football everywhere. It happens.

That isn't a guarantee either,this team still has to many rushes for negative yardage.Oh well,we won and hindsight is always 20/20 when it comes to second guessing football or life in general.

Craig

 

[Randy White]

It has nothing to do with that bro.

TR has two calls at the line of scrimmage: pass/run.
He goes with run if there are 7 or less int he box and pass if there are more.
That's why he spends 10 seconds at the line every snap. It's the same stuff both Manning's do.

Yea, I'm aware of that. It was actually Sean Peyton who installed that philosophy when he was the OC in Dallas and it was kept. Look at NO's Drew Brees as he does almost the exact same thing Romo does ( the throat sign and scream of " kill kill " when they want to go to the 2nd play option ).

I'm looking more at the reasoning for the game plan then just the play call. The Cowboys' offense has been pretty balanced so far, with a slight edge towards the pass even though the running game has been next to outstanding. The logical conclusion would be that they should run the ball more, but there's more there than meets the eye. Of course, they're always going to game plan with the idea of taking what the defense is giving as opposed to forcing a philosophy ( run or pass ) but there's also long term planning behind all of this. NFL coaches don't just think about the next game all the time, but what's coming down the road as well.

 

[Randy White]

That isn't a guarantee either,this team still has to many rushes for negative yardage.

No, but it's as close as there is. I don't remember the last time Barber was stopped on a 3rd and short play ( with no penalty involved ) that didn't result in a 1st down.

Oh well,we won and hindsight is always 20/20 when it comes to second guessing football or life in general.

Yup. That's pretty much what I meant to say that all play callers in football get cute during games. Garrett would have probably called something different if he had to do it over again.. Maybe.

 

[zack]

I thought that Crayton was the one that fumbled on that play.

Craig

Yes, that was another reverse, but a different play. So you get my point now?

 

[zack]

I thought that Crayton was the one that fumbled on that play.

Craig

Yes, that was another reverse, but a different play. So you get my point now? Austin fumbled on a 3 and 1.

 

[Rampage]

Yes, that was another reverse, but a different play. So you get my point now? Austin fumbled on a 3 and 1.

 

[Randy White]

Yes, that was another reverse, but a different play. So you get my point now?

Yea, but on the Crayton reverse, it was actually a great call. Crayton would have gone off for at least 10 yards had he held on to the ball. The defense was completely fooled, as opposed to when Miles ran his.