Garrett is a great coach waiting to happen

[ShiningStar]

i guess i dont see the progress he has made as wasted years....this team has been completly rebuilt from the team that he inherited...now has arguably the best oline in the nfl, the best rb, an up and coming defense with a very good set of DE's and some great young secondary players....

I think the problem is he has built a good team but he still makes mistakes from time to time that people magnify. So from a HC perspective, people have issues with him, but if he was the GM building the team i think most would get behind him. I personally choose to focus on the overall picture which is that he has improved as a coach and has a great young team hungry to follow him..

he has had those things before and still failed. How do you explain that?

 

[ShiningStar]

Ultimately, what I think is irrelevant, but just to answer your question, I’ll give Garrett 2018. If we don’t have an injury epidemic, one of our key players suspended for six games or more, or another eight game streak of no holding calls against opponents, I expect a playoff win or two. If nothing bad happens and we STILL go 8-8 or worse, I’d be all for a change.

The NFC East is tough, and so’s that schedule, but with that OL and Zeke and some of the players we have on defense, we SHOULD be able to make some noise!

Fair enough. Lets see what happens.

 

[cml750]

Number one thing holding Garrett back from being a great coach....coaching.

 

[Diehardblues]

What course?

This is something we should be saying a few years in..

We've almost reached a decade with Jason Garrett.

This false hope narrative with him is just people kidding themselves.

He's had a lifetime as far as it goes for a NFL coach. Give me change.

If change is horrible then change it again. Changing in the NFL works. Staying with coaches like him that have had that long doesn't. I don't even know if there is an example.

In a normal situation I’d agree but with the dysfunctional situation we have with Jerry I think this is probably as good as it gets.

We’ve been churning the HC with no better results. Most believe despite wanting better results we’re in a better place with Garrett.

 

[cml750]

The fact that so much bandwidth is wasted arguing about whether Garrett is a good coach tells you all you need to know. Nobody argues whether Belichick is a good coach. If we had the internet when Landry and Jimmy were here we would not be wasting bandwidth with these silly debates. The fact that we are having this discussion about a coach who has been head coach since 2010 and here since 2007 says all we need to know. He sucks!

 

[ShiningStar]

The fact that so much bandwidth is wasted arguing about whether Garrett is a good coach tells you all you need to know. Nobody argues whether Belichick is a good coach. If we had the internet when Landry and Jimmy were here we would not be wasting bandwidth with these silly debates. The fact that we are having this discussion about a coach who has been head coach since 2010 and here since 2007 says all we need to know. He sucks!

I do agree with most of this, and i will go on record as saying I can move on from Garrett. I do want to stress however, JJ is not without a lot of blame.

 

[Diehardblues]

The fact that so much bandwidth is wasted arguing about whether Garrett is a good coach tells you all you need to know. Nobody argues whether Belichick is a good coach. If we had the internet when Landry and Jimmy were here we would not be wasting bandwidth with these silly debates. The fact that we are having this discussion about a coach who has been head coach since 2010 and here since 2007 says all we need to know. He sucks!

What it says is some fans solely judge a coach by the success of their team.

I’d argue all coaches who reach this level are good coaches. Their success is determined by their talent on roster.

Much like some fans struggle measuring individual talent level on teams with less success.

 

[Jipper]

he has had those things before and still failed. How do you explain that?

I don't know that i would say "Jason garrett" failed...the team failed with him as the HC so he gets the most blame....but i don't think he has ever had this type of talent on defense.

I am guessing you are referencing 2014 and 2016 as the times he has "had those things before"....i would say that neither year had the quality on defense that we have this year and i would also say that this years team has a better oline, better qb and better rb than we had in 2016....

2014 did not have the defense that this year has but the offense was, imho, a better group...though overall i would say the sum of the team was at best the same as this one if not a bit under

So with that in mind, i would say that there was 1 example of a team (2014) that i would say had the same overall sum that this one has, i would rate the 2016 as slightly below because i feel this defense is far better plus Dak/Zeke have had time to grow....and i would say if Dez doesn't have that catch overturned were probably having a discussion about the NFC championship game....

That in mind, i don't think you can accurately say that JG has had this before and failed, unless you want to blame the overturned catch on garrett...

HOWEVER...this is exactly why JG is on the hotseat this year...this team needs at least a 10 win season and a playoff birth or its going to be time to look at a change....

 

[CATCH17]

In a normal situation I’d agree but with the dysfunctional situation we have with Jerry I think this is probably as good as it gets.

We’ve been churning the HC with no better results. Most believe despite wanting better results we’re in a better place with Garrett.

See I think we've had good rosters and they have let them go to waste by having Jason as a coach.

Garrett has had his best success when he makes big changes in the offseason.

2014 we came out hammering the football as opposed to being pass happy for his entire career.

Then we come out in 2015, play into our tendencies, Romo gets injured, and the wheels fall completely off.

Then 2016 happens, Romo gets hurt, Dak comes in, Zeke is a freak, and Dak can do some thing like roll outs off the run game to keep us in 3rd and manageable.

Then 2017 happens... Teams are sitting on the naked bootleg and doubling Beasley and it hinders our offense for the entire year. On top of that Zeke gets suspended and somehow we are the 1 team that's crippled by a runningback being out of the lineup.


I'm just over 1 hole in the boat sinking the boat. Im over Dallas playing into their tendencies from 1 year to the next. I'd rather get out in front of these things then sacrifice a season because something worked the year before.

 

[ShiningStar]

I don't know that i would say "Jason garrett" failed...the team failed with him as the HC so he gets the most blame....but i don't think he has ever had this type of talent on defense.

I am guessing you are referencing 2014 and 2016 as the times he has "had those things before"....i would say that neither year had the quality on defense that we have this year and i would also say that this years team has a better oline, better qb and better rb than we had in 2016....

2014 did not have the defense that this year has but the offense was, imho, a better group...though overall i would say the sum of the team was at best the same as this one if not a bit under

So with that in mind, i would say that there was 1 example of a team (2014) that i would say had the same overall sum that this one has, i would rate the 2016 as slightly below because i feel this defense is far better plus Dak/Zeke have had time to grow....and i would say if Dez doesn't have that catch overturned were probably having a discussion about the NFC championship game....

That in mind, i don't think you can accurately say that JG has had this before and failed, unless you want to blame the overturned catch on garrett...

HOWEVER...this is exactly why JG is on the hotseat this year...this team needs at least a 10 win season and a playoff birth or its going to be time to look at a change....

Superbowl winners can win with less.

and as for teh catch, no i dont blame Garrett, but i blame Garrett because it should have never been a factor. I dont blame Garrett for the sake of hearing myself say it. I do have expectations and standards on him as well Not everything is his fault, but it seems you back me up with, he also "cant compensate " for a lot either.

 

[CATCH17]

What it says is some fans solely judge a coach by the success of their team.

I’d argue all coaches who reach this level are good coaches. Their success is determined by their talent on roster.

Much like some fans struggle measuring individual talent level on teams with less success.

Jason Garrett was hired as a coach on a whim.

He had ties to the NFL that got him in the NFL and in the good ole boys league that it is he got a coaching job with Miami and then the offensive coordinator job after that. All on a whim by Jerry.

A decade later and we've gotten nowhere from a success standpoint and he's had some really good rosters along the way and empty hands to show for it,

He does not deserve the amount of time he has gotten.

 

[CATCH17]

Superbowl winners can win with less.

and as for teh catch, no i dont blame Garrett, but i blame Garrett because it should have never been a factor. I dont blame Garrett for the sake of hearing myself say it. I do have expectations and standards on him as well Not everything is his fault, but it seems you back me up with, he also "cant compensate " for a lot either.

If you want to dive into every little detail you can make excuses for and against Garrett.

The bottom line is he has nothing to show for being here for a decade.


The standard is too low right now and people have accepted it.

 

[Jipper]

Superbowl winners can win with less.

and as for teh catch, no i dont blame Garrett, but i blame Garrett because it should have never been a factor. I dont blame Garrett for the sake of hearing myself say it. I do have expectations and standards on him as well Not everything is his fault, but it seems you back me up with, he also "cant compensate " for a lot either.

yeah, i don't disagree that he hasn't been able to offset team deficiencies. He has an opportunity this year to pull it all together, and this is 100% his team...there is literally zero excuses for him not to win at this point. I don't personally expect him to win the SB or be booted, but i do expect a 10 win season and progression in terms of performance or its time to look elsewhere.

I am more a garrett supporter than most because i really like the way he has built this team, but to your point, he has to put them in the position to win this year. If that means he needs to find the right balance of delegation to coaches and what role he plays then so be it....

I am all in on Garrett this year, but he let's me down with a team that only gets to 8 wins and misses the playoffs again, I am going to be ready to move on....for the primary reason that this is 100% his team now....

 

[ShiningStar]

yeah, i don't disagree that he hasn't been able to offset team deficiencies. He has an opportunity this year to pull it all together, and this is 100% his team...there is literally zero excuses for him not to win at this point. I don't personally expect him to win the SB or be booted, but i do expect a 10 win season and progression in terms of performance or its time to look elsewhere.

I am more a garrett supporter than most because i really like the way he has built this team, but to your point, he has to put them in the position to win this year. If that means he needs to find the right balance of delegation to coaches and what role he plays then so be it....

I am all in on Garrett this year, but he let's me down with a team that only gets to 8 wins and misses the playoffs again, I am going to be ready to move on....for the primary reason that this is 100% his team now....

Fair enough.


As long as we discuss things civilly, let the fun begin.

 

[GORICO]

Here is what he needs to change:

Knock off the insane clapping. If a player makes a great play, yell congrats. Give a thumbs up. If a player screws up, for God's sake do not clap! Why would you clap?

When a player is suspending for drugs, vehicular manslaughter, DV, etc. or is late to practice or camp, DO NOT say "he's a player, we believe in him. His work ethic and love of his teammates is a testament to his character." Think it over. Follow Jimmy's way: "I will tell you something, he's got until tomorrow to explain his butt. Things happen. Stupidity happens. If he does not want to get with the system or work hard, there are a hundred otywers who want his job. I am through talking about idiots who do not, through his actions, want to be here."

Stop grinning at everything. Not everything is pretty or good.
Did jimmy and old man Landry grin on the sidelines? No, they were focused.

At pressers, tell it like it is: "Our pass rushing sucks. Our secondary is struggling. I will have the Allen HS secondary here tomorrow to show them how it is done."

When you lose, show anger: "We are going to switch some first-teamers to second. This loss is unacceptable. If you can't play for an hour, you need to be in better condition. If you can't hang with the opponent, turn in your equipment and give a younger, more talented player a chance to play."

Garrett has the smarts and skills. Talking and acting like a Pollyanna is not the way to conduct himself. IT'S THE NFL, NOT POP WARNER!!!!!

mr Gimme--- i agree with you assessment ..but not at all with your title...when i watched Garrett on latest cowboy behind the scenes series ( forget name ? )....he knew the cameras were on and his "fake" use of profanity was disingenous...which to me goes right along with how he coaches...yes the players play for him which is most important..
but they dont "fear Garrett" at all..they make a mistake...Sir-Clap-a-lot will just clap them to the sidelines...disgusting

 

[Diehardblues]

See I think we've had good rosters and they have let them go to waste by having Jason as a coach.

Garrett has had his best success when he makes big changes in the offseason.

2014 we came out hammering the football as opposed to being pass happy for his entire career.

Then we come out in 2015, play into our tendencies, Romo gets injured, and the wheels fall completely off.

Then 2016 happens, Romo gets hurt, Dak comes in, Zeke is a freak, and Dak can do some thing like roll outs off the run game to keep us in 3rd and manageable.

Then 2017 happens... Teams are sitting on the naked bootleg and doubling Beasley and it hinders our offense for the entire year. On top of that Zeke gets suspended and somehow we are the 1 team that's crippled by a runningback being out of the lineup.


I'm just over 1 hole in the boat sinking the boat. Im over Dallas playing into their tendencies from 1 year to the next. I'd rather get out in front of these things then sacrifice a season because something worked the year before.

Garrett like most coaches are as good as the talent on the field.

 

[Diehardblues]

Jason Garrett was hired as a coach on a whim.

He had ties to the NFL that got him in the NFL and in the good ole boys league that it is he got a coaching job with Miami and then the offensive coordinator job after that. All on a whim by Jerry.

A decade later and we've gotten nowhere from a success standpoint and he's had some really good rosters along the way and empty hands to show for it,

He does not deserve the amount of time he has gotten.

Winning COY validated his coaching ability.

All he needs now is more talent on the field. When he’s had it he’s taken us to the brink of a championship appearance. Twice.. with 2 different QB’s.

 

[CATCH17]

Winning COY validated his coaching ability.

All he needs now is more talent on the field. When he’s had it he’s taken us to the brink of a championship appearance. Twice.. with 2 different QB’s.

His COY is by association.

About like Barry Switzer and his Superbowl.


He's had enough talent before. He'll never have a perfect team but he'll continue to coach like he has one.

 

[CATCH17]

Garrett like most coaches are as good as the talent on the field.

Yep.. Just like the Eagles..


Time has exposed Garrett. Why defend him at this point? He's done nothing. Why even debate it. He's had a lifetime in NFL coaching years to do something.

How does he make us better on Sunday's?

He's too talent dependent.

Believe it or not there are coaches who don't watch their teams fall apart with an injury here or there.

 

[mperfection]

Terrible thread

I could not agree more!!