Garrett > Payton

[WV Cowboy]

But I can agree with you on that I think we are better off with him as a walk around head coach. I think the results are proving that.

Well we do agree on something.

Jimmy Johnson and a whole host of others have proven that you can be a great head coach by overseeing the whole operation. Great for everybody!

Again, .. comparing Jason Garrett to Jimmy Johnson in any way just seems wrong.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, it's not.. He didn't want to abandon play-calling duties. He kept interfering even last year per Jerry Jones. He's essentially been relegated to walking the sidelines, not by choice. If you think that he deserves credit, have at it. I'm not buying it. He's only here still, because he's Jerry's toy to make himself look like a genius.

You act as if you are there and know what is going on, fact is you don't. Again if you feel that way fine but then stop blaming him for loses. That is stupid to say he has no say but hey is we lose it is Garrett fault. BS.

So I guess now it is Jerry who is the great GM he deserve credit and I guess that makes him a genius, after all those are his picks the bust and the booms, those are his hires including Garrett.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well we do agree on something.



Again, .. comparing Jason Garrett to Jimmy Johnson in any way just seems wrong.

Comparing coaches who do not call the plays but over see that is not wrong, it may not be what you like but it is not wrong. You want to blame Garrett for loses fine but then if those loses are on him then so are the wins. You can't have it only one way.

 

[khiladi]

You act as if you are there and know what is going on, fact is you don't. Again if you feel that way fine but then stop blaming him for loses. That is stupid to say he has no say but hey is we lose it is Garrett fault. BS.

So I guess now it is Jerry who is the great GM he deserve credit and I guess that makes him a genius, after all those are his picks the bust and the booms, those are his hires including Garrett.

I gave the links. I also credit Jerry for finally ham-stringing his pet project and admitting he did so... He explained why they hired Scott Linehan when the season was over, including what Jason kept doing last year.

 

[Doomsday101]

I gave the links. I also credit Jerry for finally ham-stringing his pet project and admitting he did so...

hamstring his pet project a man who has no issue firing HC and has done so even to close friend Barry Switzer. Jason is here because Jerry does believe in him and things Garrett has been preaching from day one are starting to happen.

 

[Plankton]

Yep, but not during the game.

Not always true.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Comparing coaches who do not call the plays but over see that is not wrong, it may not be what you like but it is not wrong. You want to blame Garrett for loses fine but then if those loses are on him then so are the wins. You can't have it only one way.

You have said that statement many times in this thread, .. I never blamed him for our loss.

We had too many turnovers against SF, so I would blame Romo for that if anybody.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You act as if you are there and know what is going on, fact is you don't. Again if you feel that way fine but then stop blaming him for loses. That is stupid to say he has no say but hey is we lose it is Garrett fault. BS.

So I guess now it is Jerry who is the great GM he deserve credit and I guess that makes him a genius, after all those are his picks the bust and the booms, those are his hires including Garrett.

Jerry definitely isn't a genius, but yes, he does deserve credit for taking playcalling from Jason and getting a new DC in here, because those were his moves. Everyone close to the team and every piece of evidence says so.

Does that mean in the big picture that it's a good thing that Jerry is making moves like that? No, of course not. But you have to give credit where it's due, and in this case he deserves credit.

 

[khiladi]

http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.co...ill-get-megatron-treatment-under-linehan.html

“Yes. He’ll have more (power),” Jones said. “I am just answering his question. How and where and what it has to do with depends on how comfortable he is. Romo was a tremendous supporter of Bill Callahan (last season’s play caller). He was absolutely ecstatic over us getting Linehan. He had serious discussions with Detroit’s quarterback (Matt Stafford) and got a great feel for Linehan’s imagination and what Linehan does to maximize skills in the individual players and his flexibility of coming up with schemes within schemes within the base or rules of an offense. Having said all of that, the most excited guy in the organization was Tony Romo to have the prospect of getting Linehan. And so they will be locked at the hip.”

"Linehan gives us a complete real change of our offense with our terminology," Jones said. "It's different. Although [Garrett and Linehan] have been together coaching, you can't see a lot of what we've been and what they did up in Detroit. He's got a track record of really zeroing in and building the offense around the talent, the specific talent and the qualities of the players."

There’s no question that he’ll take his top players, and it can be in the running game as well, in the running game, he will utilize them in the running game. To some degree all coaches will say that, but getting them to do it or getting it done is another thing. But he’s a proven imaginative coach, relative to using his talent, their particular skills."

Jerry signals out in this particular piece a few things:

1. Giving Romo more power, as opposed to the claim of Garrett-homers that he was audibling out of what Garrett was calling

2. Using the personnel and talent, like Dez, which he did with Megatron.

3. Running the ball... Notice how he says people pay a lot of lip service to it, but don't call it. He didn't blame the OL for not running, but coaches.

All these things go back to legitimate criticisms of Garrett for years, if one has been paying attention.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jerry definitely isn't a genius, but yes, he does deserve credit for taking playcalling from Jason and getting a new DC in here, because those were his moves. Everyone close to the team and every piece of evidence says so.

Does that mean in the big picture that it's a good thing that Jerry is making moves like that? No, of course not. But you have to give credit where it's due, and in this case he deserves credit.

and yet it was Jason with ties to both? Yeah I'm sure he had no say in the matter. lol

 

[khiladi]

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ahan-shouldn-t-be-case-with-scott-linehan.ece

“Jason was really your coordinator last year,” Jones said. “That’s a fact. That was one of the issues. It was unfair to Bill. But it was the offense that [Garrett] had had since [he] had got there and it was very difficult. That’s why we had such a tough time articulating it early. That’s why we made some of the switches we made during the middle of the season.”

Jones was referring to Garrett’s decision to modify the mechanics of the play-calling process before the team’s Week 12 victory over the New York Giants. Back then, quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson was moved from the sideline to the booth to sit alongside Callahan. Garrett took over Wilson’s headset and relayed the signals to Tony Romo.

The episode illustrated, in Jones’ words, that Garrett “had the last pencil down” on an offense that produced its fewest yards per game since 2005. Jones characterized the entire situation as unfortunate for Callahan and said the high-profile assistant was “frustrated” by what had happened.

“That wasn’t the plan,” Jones said. “Going into training camp, going into [organized team activities], going into that period of the time, the plan was for Bill to ultimately be the play-caller with Romo executing it."

According to Jones, Garrett struggled to surrender his hands-on role with the offense. He especially didn’t seem at ease handing over his timing-based system to Callahan, a West Coast disciple with a different set of beliefs. With Linehan on board, Garrett doesn’t have those reservations and will be free to turn his attention to the defense, an area in which Jones wants his coach actively involved.

In this article, Jerry Jones specifically mentions Garrett as interfering last year in the play-calling of Callahan. And that he is taking him completely out of the picture. This clearly demonstrates also that there was no plan in this matter as far as Garrett's 'process' is concerned.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I have no idea.. All I know is that reports had him yelling at his teammates for their slack and then he proceeded to INT the ball and return it like 60 yards.

They were lining up wrong for plays & he was really mad & directing them into the proper place.

I would think Cushing would see that but JJ was the one.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

and yet it was Jason with ties to both? Yeah I'm sure he had no say in the matter. lol

His ties with Kiffin were miniscule compared to Lacewell's.

Ryan's own brother said it was Jerry who fired Rob and not Jason.

When Jason was asked if they'd have fired Rob if the Cowboys had won that last game to get in the playoffs, he said, "I don't know."

You can ignore all the evidence if you choose.

 

[CATCH17]

Jerry definitely isn't a genius, but yes, he does deserve credit for taking playcalling from Jason and getting a new DC in here, because those were his moves. Everyone close to the team and every piece of evidence says so.

Does that mean in the big picture that it's a good thing that Jerry is making moves like that? No, of course not. But you have to give credit where it's due, and in this case he deserves credit.

Agreed but i'm still not sold on this defensive scheme but it was good to see us finally not get torched by a good QB.

Breese played one of his normal games instead of setting first down records and everything else.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I gave the links. I also credit Jerry for finally ham-stringing his pet project and admitting he did so... He explained why they hired Scott Linehan when the season was over, including what Jason kept doing last year.

It's very obvious the structure of the staff is different & that our play calling has benefitted. I actually read your links.

 

[khiladi]

His ties with Kiffin were miniscule compared to Lacewell's.

Ryan's own brother said it was Jerry who fired Rob and not Jason.

When Jason was asked if they'd have fired Rob if the Cowboys had won that last game to get in the playoffs, he said... "I don't know."

You can ignore all the evidence if you choose.

Got to love the ties to Linehan as well.. One year under him as a QB coach... then Garrett coached under Cam Cameron, whose offense Garrett more closely resembles... How they talk about these ties for Garrett is just absurd...

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Got to love the ties to Linehan as well.. One year under him as a QB coach... then Garrett coached under Cam Cameron, whose offense Garrett more closely resembles... How they talk about these ties for Garrett is just absurd...

Well I will credit Garrett for Linehan, but not that it was some genius move... Linehan was just one of the very few guys available that Garret had any ties to.

But Jerry was still the one who said, "You aren't calling plays anymore. Find someone else to do it." Every single credible reporter close to the team has said Jason never wanted to give it up.

 

[khiladi]

Well I will credit Garrett for Linehan, but not that it was some genius move... Linehan was just one of the very few guys available that Garret had any ties to.

But Jerry was still the one who said, "You aren't calling plays anymore. Find someone else to do it." Every single credible reporter close to the team has said Jason never wanted to give it up.

Maybe Garrett can learn how to call plays from Linehan.... hopefully he has that going for him, with his Princeton intelligence and all....

 

[Doomsday101]

His ties with Kiffin were miniscule compared to Lacewell's.

Ryan's own brother said it was Jerry who fired Rob and not Jason.

When Jason was asked if they'd have fired Rob if the Cowboys had won that last game to get in the playoffs, he said, "I don't know."

You can ignore all the evidence if you choose.

Jerry is paying them of course he fired them this does not mean that Jason had no say. The man who is paying me is the man who is firing. As for Jason comment of I don't know? most coaches do not deal with hypotheticals, hell owners don't have seen many owners and GM who will not come out and make a claim of firing until they actually fire a coach

 

[Tommy]

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ahan-shouldn-t-be-case-with-scott-linehan.ece

In this article, Jerry Jones specifically mentions Garrett as interfering last year in the play-calling of Callahan. And that he is taking him completely out of the picture. This clearly demonstrates also that there was no plan in this matter as far as Garrett's 'process' is concerned.

This is interesting stuff!

Im just kidding. I didn't read it.

Quit crying after big wins man it's pathetic.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Jerry definitely isn't a genius, but yes, he does deserve credit for taking playcalling from Jason and getting a new DC in here, because those were his moves. Everyone close to the team and every piece of evidence says so.

Does that mean in the big picture that it's a good thing that Jerry is making moves like that? No, of course not. But you have to give credit where it's due, and in this case he deserves credit.

Yea agreed. Jerry does deserve credit for making those moves.