Garrett: we don’t use those numbers during a game

[Haimerej]

Do you understand that my response was to your comment where you said “it was the right call” while providing zero evidence for it being the right call? So you actually provided a claim as being a fact without having any factual reason to say it as such.

Seriously, you presented it as the right call but have nothing to back it up as being the right call and obviously in the end it didn’t work.

And the NUMBERS say it was the wrong call because it actually decreased the teams chance of winning.


Considering the premise of the thread is the coach not using probability to make decisions, bringing up probability during the discussion kind of makes sense doesn’t it. Rather than your gut feeling about it being the right call. When it didn’t do jack squat to help the team win.

The numbers aren't always right. Simple fact is you aren't presenting facts either. You can cite probabilities all you want, those aren't facts.

 

[Haimerej]

By saying you feel more comfortable you are, in fact, saying you believe the odds/chances are better Cooper can rip off a big play in a game where we had shown little ability to make a big play.

Cobb had one. It seems both of these positions are based on faith.

 

[Haimerej]

You can never change a hindsighter's mind.

Funny thing is they seem to believe probabilities are certainties.

 

[HungryLion]

The numbers aren't always right. Simple fact is you aren't presenting facts either. You can cite probabilities all you want, those aren't facts.

Garret not using analytics during games is a fact.

the probability of winning the game being worse if you kick the field goal than go for it. Is a fact.

A probability is a fact actually. It doesn’t mean things will go your way. But mathematical probabilities are facts.

strange you don’t know that a probably is a fact.

If you flip a coin. You have a 50% chance of it being heads. That’s a fact. If you then flip the coin and it comes up tails. It doesn’t mean that it being heads 50% of the time isn’t a fact.

 

[Aviano90]

Bill went for it 3 times my g. 3 times. different game and situation.

I can't believe you are actually defending this when your stance is to go for it. The hypocrisy is amazing. At least be consistent.

Bill went for it the first time with just over 6 minutes to go in the game instead of kicking the FG. Bill went for it a 2nd time with about 2.5 minutes to go instead of kicking the FG.

Garrett didn't go for it with just over 6 minutes to go in the game.

Which time do you think Bill made a mistake when he went for it instead of kicking a FG?

 

[Haimerej]

Bill went for it 3 times my g. 3 times. different game and situation.

Which shows the value of these, "numbers," you guys are citing. He took 3 opportunities to make the right, "analytical," move and failed. Yet you guys still cite these probabilities as certainty and consider it, "foolish," to not adhere to them.

 

[Bleu Star]

He also said. The cowboys practiced inside on Thursday and Friday. Despite knowing the conditions would be terrible during the game.


Garret is a freaking clown.

Ahahahhahah... I feel you bro.

 

[Big_D]

Coaching schooled yet again. A great coach took advantage of a stupid one. That’s what quality coaching brings in these tight games. The short kicks were brilliant because as expected the Cowboys couldn’t look any more lost in that situation! The game was already done long before that 4th and 7. Everyone knew it. You knew Garrett was ending up on the losing end. One team emphasizes special teams and the others basically sucks. Garrett is absutely killing this team. Game management can’t get any dumber really.

 

[Hook'em#11]

Coaches don't seem to use common sense or actual football knowledge, experience during a game either. Or before.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Which shows the value of these, "numbers," you guys are citing. He took 3 opportunities to make the right, "analytical," move and failed. Yet you guys still cite these probabilities as certainty and consider it, "foolish," to not adhere to them.

Let's not compare garrett to belichek.

 

[Aviano90]

Let's not compare garrett to belichek.

I would think your easy answer is "I don't think Bill made a mistake. He went for it and I agree he should have". But hindsight shows those decisions didn't work out too well and it seems you agree kicking the FG was the right call after all.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I can't believe you are actually defending this when your stance is to go for it. The hypocrisy is amazing. At least be consistent.

Bill went for it the first time with just over 6 minutes to go in the game instead of kicking the FG. Bill went for it a 2nd time with about 2.5 minutes to go instead of kicking the FG.

Garrett didn't go for it with just over 6 minutes to go in the game.

Which time do you think Bill made a mistake when he went for it instead of kicking a FG?

Glad you broke it down for me cuz I didn't even bother reading the article or caring about the game. Belichek made the right call. His offense just didn't get it done. He didn't expect to have 3 chances at a fg in 6 minutes.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I would think your easy answer is "I don't think Bill made a mistake. He went for it and I agree he should have". But hindsight shows those decisions didn't work out too well and it seems you agree kicking the FG was the right call after all.

I do think he made the right call. And the win % probably shows he made the right call. His players couldn't get the job done.

 

[Haimerej]

Garret not using analytics during games is a fact.

the probability of winning the game being worse if you kick the field goal than go for it. Is a fact.

A probability is a fact actually. It doesn’t mean things will go your way. But mathematical probabilities are facts.

strange you don’t know that a probably is a fact.

If you flip a coin. You have a 50% chance of it being heads. That’s a fact. If you then flip the coin and it comes up tails. It doesn’t mean that it being heads 50% of the time isn’t a fact.

You're citing statistics as if they're indicative of the future. You're dismissing all other variables and dying at the feet of statistics. It doesn't make your position any more valid.

 

[Aviano90]

I do think he made the right call. And the win % probably shows he made the right call. His players couldn't get the job done.

There you go. At least you're consistent now. You aren't in the majority on this though. Bill was raked over the coals for going for it that game, which is the typical response when a tough decision is made and things don't work out. Even Bill with all his success isn't immune to the Monday morning quarterbacking.

 

[JD_KaPow]

I don't care that he is getting bashed. I hate the dude. I'm just not a hard headed individual who believes there is only one way to skin a cat all the time.

I've posted an article from when EVERYONE was bashing Belichick for going for it. Yes, EVERYONE!

Not everyone. The analytics folks loved it (or at least many did), because they knew it was a good decision.

 

[Hennessy_King]

There you go. At least you're consistent now. You aren't in the majority on this though. Bill was raked over the coals for going for it that game, which is the typical response when a tough decision is made and things don't work out. Even Bill with all his success isn't immune to the Monday morning quarterbacking.

Bill was monday morning qb'd for that game more than he should have been. He didn't bank on his team having 3 shots at fg attempts in 6 minutes. If he only had one more possession it would have been a non issue

 

[Haimerej]

Let's not compare garrett to belichek.

I'm not. I'm showing the error in using statistics as a determining factor for what will happen in the future.

 

[HungryLion]

You're citing statistics as if they're indicative of the future. You're dismissing all other variables and dying at the feet of statistics. It doesn't make your position any more valid.

You’re clueless and any further argument is pointless.


Let me know when you understand what a fact is.
You’re the one using your gut to determine the correct call.


Perhaps a coach should factor in all data when making a call. Just maybe.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I'm not. I'm showing the error in using statistics as a determining factor for what will happen in the future.

It still gave them the best chance to win. Belichek was correct