Garrett: we don’t use those numbers during a game

[Aviano90]

You are trying to justify a wrong call because you have watched this no backbone team for too long. And it was 7 yards. And yes it's wrong they couldn't convert a 3rd and 11 or 4th and 11. I'll take 4th and 7 over 4th and 11

It's not a wrong call, it's a different call. The reality is either decision was likely to fail.

 

[Hennessy_King]

It's not a wrong call, it's a different call. The reality is both decisions were likely to fail.

It's a wrong call the %'s said so in winning probability. We lost the game kicking the FG. We don't know if we would have converted the 4th down. You play to win the game.

 

[aikemirv]

You are trying to justify a wrong call because you have watched this no backbone team for too long. And it was 7 yards. And yes it's wrong they couldn't convert a 3rd and 11 or 4th and 11. I'll take 4th and 7 over 4th and 11

Justify it, I don't like Garrett. I would get rid of him. I just think THAT call was right.

 

[Aviano90]

It's a wrong call the %'s said so in winning probability. We lost the game kicking the FG. We don't know if we would have converted the 4th down. You play to win the game.

Do the %s take into account the weather conditions? Do NFL teams convert a lot of 4th and 7s with 17 MPH wind and pouring rain?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Do the %s take into account the weather conditions? Do NFL teams convert a lot of 4th and 7s with 17 MPH wind and pouring rain?

But you like trying to drive down the field and have to convert a 3rd and 4th and 11? In those same conditions?

 

[Hennessy_King]

Justify it, I don't like Garrett. I would get rid of him. I just think THAT call was right.

You're wrong we lost because we couldn't convert a 4th and 11

 

[HungryLion]

Do the %s take into account the weather conditions? Do NFL teams convert a lot of 4th and 7s with 17 MPH wind and pouring rain?

Do they drive the ball 92 yards in 2 minutes in the pouring rain and wind? The conditions are the same either way.


Again the thread isn’t about one call.

it’s about not using statistical data to at least help make decisions in game. It’s asinine to not at least consider the numbers and take them into account.

 

[aikemirv]

You're wrong we lost because we couldn't convert a 4th and 11

I am not wrong, it is a difference of opinion, because you do not have a crystal ball into the other outcome.

 

[Jipper]

the idiot should have used the number 10 as in the ball was landing on the 10 when the pats were kicking into the wind and he should have put his returner further up....so dumb

 

[HungryLion]

I am not wrong, it is a difference of opinion, because you do not have a crystal ball into the other outcome.

You’re right. It is opinion. But the coach should be using all the data available to form their opinion of what to do.

 

[Aviano90]

But you like trying to drive down the field and have to convert a 3rd and 4th and 11? In those same conditions?

I don't like either situations. They're both likely to fail. There is no clear cut decision. Look even the best coach gets criticized when going for it instead of taking the 3 points.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...why-we-didnt-kick-field-goals-in-4th-quarter/

 

[Hennessy_King]

I am not wrong, it is a difference of opinion, because you do not have a crystal ball into the other outcome.

I would rather have not converted the 4th down and had NE at their own 10. You had to have a long drive regardless if you wanted to win the game. the FG does absolutely nothing.

 

[Direwolf63]

I think this whole, "should have gone for the TD," thing is a perfect example of lemmings jumping on a narrative.

It was 4th and 7. The WRs and QB had multiple issues with handling the ball. There was nearly 7 minutes left in the game and but for good field position from turnovers and a blocked punt NE hadn't done much offensively all game. They in fact got points and the ball back with an opportunity for the lead. That situation was played fine.

I actually don't have a problem kicking the FG there.

They got the ball back with 2:38 left and 3 timeouts. They started moving the ball fine until that phantom tripped call killed the drive and ended the game.

 

[Hennessy_King]

I don't like either situations. They're both likely to fail. There is no clear cut decision. Look even the best coach gets criticized when going for it instead of taking the 3 points.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...why-we-didnt-kick-field-goals-in-4th-quarter/

Different games and different situations. I mean after that fg how many more drives did you think we would have in the game? There was no point in kicking a fg you need a td regardless

 

[Aviano90]

Do they drive the ball 92 yards in 2 minutes in the pouring rain and wind? The conditions are the same either way.

You don't know this information at the time you have to make the call to kick the FG. What you are banking on is that 1. the FG is made, 2. there is enough time to get the ball back for another shot at scoring.

There are a number of things that could have occurred after the decision is made.

Again the thread isn’t about one call.

it’s about not using statistical data to at least help make decisions in game. It’s asinine to not at least consider the numbers and take them into account.

Yes I am aware and have already stated the following:

That said, not using analytics during the game is asinine. Some jaw dropping revelations continue to surface way too often. Like the LBs admitting they didn't watch the tape of the Rams playoff game and we wonder why we continue to get gashed on the ground.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I have no problem kicking on 4th and 7. My issue is 2 shots to the end zone, and pretty low percentage throws at that. It was never approached as a 4 down scenario. I would have liked to see something closer to the sticks or one play with Zeke to make the 4th more manageable.

 

[Doomsday]

He also said. The cowboys practiced inside on Thursday and Friday. Despite knowing the conditions would be terrible during the game.


Garret is a freaking clown.

Not having Dak throw a wet ball or try using a glove throwing a wet ball is inexcusable.

 

[aikemirv]

I would rather have not converted the 4th down and had NE at their own 10. You had to have a long drive regardless if you wanted to win the game. the FG does absolutely nothing.

That's fine. Why is it necessary for you to be right or wrong. Neither are right or wrong. They are strategies!

Strategies fail and some are successful, not always because they are Right or Wrong

 

[NeonNinja]

 

[Aviano90]

Different games and different situations. I mean after that fg how many more drives did you think we would have in the game? There was no point in kicking a fg you need a td regardless

I thought the team would get 1 more possession. Yes, we needed a TD to tie the game. We needed 2 scores to win the game. I had zero confidence the team could convert 4th and 7 against that defense in those conditions in a tight space in the red zone. That said, I had little faith the team would drive the field for a TD. Like I've said, I don't think either decision would have been successful. I believe we lose regardless of which decision was made.

I just don't think this is a no-brainer where there is only one right decision.