Gathers bump Escobar?

[Galian Beast]

My calculus on this is that they are willing to carry as many as four tight ends.

You have Witten, Hanna, Swaim, Gathers with Escobar on the PUP.

My guess is that Swaim is on the chopping block before Gathers or Escobar if Gathers can show potential. Really a battle between him and Swaim going forward. I wouldn't count swaim out just yet either.

 

[jazzcat22]

Escobar's done. Achilles injury, in the last year of his deal. Never more than 9 catches in a season, and a mediocre blocker. Unless somehow he is ready for training camp, I bet we don't ever see him in a Cowboys uniform.

Add that he will also be a FA after this season. He will start on PUP most likely. So if the other TE's are performing well, I think there is a possibility we seen the last of him. Unless, he follows others as in Mo, Ro McClain, and signs a one year, prove it to us type contracts. Dunbar, yet again is in the same situation.

Also we never seen what Escobar could truly do sitting behind Witten.
I do not think Gathers would replace Escobar though nor Hanna. Maybe push Swaim, but we haven't seen him much at all. My guess Gathers is a PS guy. But would be activated if another team makes an offer.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I don't agree. I think they made him into a more traditional TE and I believe that was a mistake. I would have worked on his speed and kept him a hybrid. IMO they have misused him. However they may want him to become the heir to Witten....whenever that is.

Times infinity and beyond.

 

[Stash]

Does Gathers bump Escobar off of the roster? At this point Escobar is ONLY a red zone threat and can't block for ****. Gathers is bigger, stronger and is probably a better red zone threat than Escobar without even playing for the last 10 years. He clearly has the mass to block. So it is POSSIBLE Escobar gets cut eventually if the roster spot comes down to him or Gathers.

I expect Escobar to be on the pup list to start the season. That might be a good thing for him in this case. Discuss?

Why not?

What would it take to bump Escobar off of this roster?

The guy is an absolute BUST!

Not only has he been an epic disappointment, but now he's coming off of an Achilles injury and entering the final year of his contract.

The question becomes would you rather keep athleticism and potential on a multi-year deal or keep a disappointment who will be a free agent next year?

If Gathers looks even competent, I'm keeping him over a wasted draft pick who will always be connected to the fact that this team could have had Le'Veon Bell instead and the domino effect that terrible decision has continued to have.

Both Dunbar and Escobar should be PUP'd, IR'd and said goodbye to.

 

[Section446]

No chance in hell.

 

[CF74]

Why not?

What would it take to bump Escobar off of this roster?

The guy is an absolute BUST!

Not only has he been an epic disappointment, but now he's coming off of an Achilles injury and entering the final year of his contract.

The question becomes would you rather keep athleticism and potential on a multi-year deal or keep a disappointment who will be a free agent next year?

If Gathers looks even competent, I'm keeping him over a wasted draft pick who will always be connected to the fact that this team could have had Le'Veon Bell instead and the domino effect that terrible decision has continued to have.

Both Dunbar and Escobar should be PUP'd, IR'd and said goodbye to.

Hated the pick but how is the guy a bust when he's sitting behind a HOF TE and almost never gets any reps? The bust is picking a TE earlier than say the 5th round when u have a starter like Witten already on the roster...

 

[CWR]

I have to ask , how long does Witten last?

I think he retires with Tony in 2 years.

 

[Stash]

Hated the pick but how is the guy a bust when he's sitting behind a HOF TE and almost never gets any reps?

Because he does little to justify being on the field at all. His blocking has never improved enough to the point where he has earned himself more playing time. He's little more than a decent receiving tight end with height, but he plays with zero confidence and makes far too few plays when he is out there.

The bust is picking a TE earlier than say the 5th round when u have a starter like Witten already on the roster...

No doubt that's been a repeated poor use of 2nd round resources and one that has never adequately paid off for this team. A mistake they've made three times now.

 

[Section446]

I think he retires with Tony in 2 years.

Yeah, contract is up after 2017, sounds like a good time frame for retirement.

 

[Bowdown27]

There is zero percent chance of that happening.

Literally 0%.

 

[Doomsay]

Gathers see field?

 

[CF74]

Because he does little to justify being on the field at all. His blocking has never improved enough to the point where he has earned himself more playing time. He's little more than a decent receiving tight end with height, but he plays with zero confidence and makes far too few plays when he is out there.



No doubt that's been a repeated poor use of 2nd round resources and one that has never adequately paid off for this team. A mistake they've made three times now.

Yeah I'm gonna say he's not used enough because he's just not needed. Witten is just a freak. I get the he's a whimp at blocking argument but his strength is simply catching the ball. Needs to be used differently...

 

[Stash]

Yeah I'm gonna say he's not used enough because he's just not needed.

I think that until this offense ranks 1st overall and is 'unstoppable', every player on the roster is "needed".

Witten is just a freak. I get the he's a whimp at blocking argument but his strength is simply catching the ball. Needs to be used differently...

I don't argue that the team doesn't use him as effectively as they could, but I'll also say that the player hasn't done enough of anything to force them to either.

 

[CF74]

I think that until this offense ranks 1st overall and is 'unstoppable', every player on the roster is "needed".



I don't argue that the team doesn't use him as effectively as they could, but I'll also say that the player hasn't don't enough of anything to force them to either.

It's a moot point when your starter ahead of him is a first ballot.. And unless Witten dies, we don't need him...

 

[Stash]

It's a moot point when your starter ahead of him is a first ballot.. And unless Witten dies, we don't need him...

The team that does it right with two TE's doesn't think so. The Patriots succeeded with Gronkowski and Hernandez and have continued to bring in low-priced counterparts to Gronkowski since Hernandez went gangster, most recently with former Cowboy Martellus Bennett. While the Cowboys have repeatedly failed, the Patriots have made it work.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Does Gathers bump Escobar off of the roster? At this point Escobar is ONLY a red zone threat and can't block for ****. Gathers is bigger, stronger and is probably a better red zone threat than Escobar without even playing for the last 10 years. He clearly has the mass to block. So it is POSSIBLE Escobar gets cut eventually if the roster spot comes down to him or Gathers.

I expect Escobar to be on the pup list to start the season. That might be a good thing for him in this case. Discuss?

lol.

Dude has never played a snap as of yet of any football and you think he's already replaced someone?

 

[CF74]

The team that does it right with two TE's doesn't think so. The Patriots succeeded with Gronkowski and Hernandez and have continued to bring in low-priced counterparts to Gronkowski since Hernandez went gangster, most recently with former Cowboy Martellus Bennett. While the Cowboys have repeatedly failed, the Patriots have made it work.

Yeah I already addressed that when I wrote we don't use him correctly...

 

[conner01]

I know Gathers is a VERY raw project. Very Raw!!! But Escobar really is a very one dimensional player who really doesn't see the field very much!

Not really. He has improved his blocking and since Rico has never set a single block I suspect he is a couple years away from catching Escobar as a blocker . If Gathers really puts in the work, in a couple years he might see the field. But he doesn't even know who to block, how to block, how to run a route and only started catching passes recently and really struggled initially. If he is lucky he will get a year on ps and if he really works hard he might be able to actually learn the most basic parts of the game by next year

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think Swaim takes over for Escobar.





YR

 

[casmith07]

Does Gathers bump Escobar off of the roster? At this point Escobar is ONLY a red zone threat and can't block for ****. Gathers is bigger, stronger and is probably a better red zone threat than Escobar without even playing for the last 10 years. He clearly has the mass to block. So it is POSSIBLE Escobar gets cut eventually if the roster spot comes down to him or Gathers.

I expect Escobar to be on the pup list to start the season. That might be a good thing for him in this case. Discuss?

Maybe next year, but Escobar will stick on PUP/IR. There's no reason to rush him back this year and force his free agency to start a year earlier if we don't have to.

I think this will be a business decision. And if he does come back this year we wouldn't cut someone like Gathers if he was contributing. We'd just go with 4 TEs through the post-season and cut some LB or DT that never dresses.