General Managers In the NFL

[Bach]

That's like saying that because I once saw a seal in the ocean that I am an oceanographer.

I'll go back and throw some Jones references into our talk about the Pats and the non-dynasty, maybe even start talking about him on the political board too, since that's apparently all I do.

So who's stopping you from starting threads? Last I checked we don't even have an option to prevent people from doing that.

If you know you're going to offend people (and you make it sound like that is exactly your intent) then don't be all shocked when they are offended and speak out. How hard is that to figure out?

I'm not saying anyone is stopping me from starting threads. The point is, if I was really just here trolling and bashing Jones, then you'd think I'd be starting threads about it all the time. But guess what, I don't do that. I just join in on threads that are already talking about it. But I guess when it doesn't go according to the homeristic view, then suddenly it's "hijacked", etc. LOL.

Also, my intent isn't to offend. But if people get offended by the truth then I don't sweat it.

 

[Bach]

Sounds like you and Jones huh?

At least I talk about football and the team. Unlike some of you.

 

[cowboyeric8]

Also, my intent isn't to offend. But if people get offended by the truth then I don't sweat it.

And what "truth" would that be?

 

[Bach]

And what "truth" would that be?

Have you been hibernating?

 

[Hostile]

I'll go back and throw some Jones references into our talk about the Pats and the non-dynasty, maybe even start talking about him on the political board too, since that's apparently all I do.

LMAO

Your 1st post in that thread before we got to that discussion.

Link

I'm not saying anyone is stopping me from starting threads. The point is, if I was really just here trolling and bashing Jones, then you'd think I'd be starting threads about it all the time. But guess what, I don't do that. I just join in on threads that are already talking about it. But I guess when it doesn't go according to the homeristic view, then suddenly it's "hijacked", etc. LOL.

Also, my intent isn't to offend. But if people get offended by the truth then I don't sweat it.

Then stop acting shocked when they are. My gosh.

It's like the people who start a thread I just got banned on ES for saying they suck. Really? How shocking that something like that would happen.

It's kind of like spinner rims on a car or truck. The first time you see them they are kind of cool. There's a novelty about them. After a while it's just a useless gadget designed to make someone look while they go around and around. Woo, what a thrill that is.

 

[Bach]

Then stop acting shocked when they are. My gosh.

It's like the people who start a thread I just got banned on ES for saying they suck. Really? How shocking that something like that would happen.

It's kind of like spinner rims on a car or truck. The first time you see them they are kind of cool. There's a novelty about them. After a while it's just a useless gadget designed to make someone look while they go around and around. Woo, what a thrill that is.

Yeah, it's much better hearing how Jerry the GM has three SB rings, inferring that he built those teams. LMAO. But hey, it plays well with the homers. *towel wave*

Woo-woo!

 

[BigDFan5]

enter list here

Some of these have to be a joke right?

First I will eliminate the ones that I agree with or are to close to call

Now lets go through these one by one and see how you did

For the draft segments I will use rd 1 through 4

Bills...Tom Modrak

0 superbowls

GM of the Eagles from 1998-2001 fired by Eagles replaced by Reid

Drafts consist of

Hits

Trotter, McNabb, Thomas, John Welbourn,


Busts
Allen Rossum
Clarence Love
Barry Gardner
Doug Brzezinski
Damon Moore
Na Brown
Corey Simon
Todd Stinkston
Bobbie Williams
Gari Scott
Freddie Mitchell
Quinton Caver
Derrick Burgess* (Bust for them great with Raiders)

Dolphins...Jeff Ireland

Sorry Parcells is not the GM according to him, and Ireland has done exactly 0 as a GM

Giants...Jerry Reese

Had a great draft last year but took someone elses team to the superbowl that doesnt count in your world remember that

Eagles...Tom Heckert

So you want a guy who has no authority at all? GM of a non playoff team who doesnt even have final say?

Bears...Jerry Angelo

0 superbowls

2 winning season as GM

To many busts to list look here to see them http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=0810&type=team

Broncos...Ted Sundquist

Another guy that had no control, and has been fired now unemployed

Chiefs...Carl Peterson

horrible drafts

No playoff win since 1993

0 superbowls

yes this is the guy you wouldnt ***** about LOL

Browns...Phil Savage

Looks to be doing a good job with Cleveland, but its been 1 good year

Jets...Mike Tannenbaum

Another 1 good year guy with nothing to show for it. Hell there were rumors he was going to be fired last season

Buccaneers...Bruce Allen

0 superbowls

and Gruden has the power So what do you see in him?

Vikings...Bob Brzezinski

This is a serious question doesnt Rick Spielman handle the players and drafts and Brzenski handles salary cap?

Panthers...Marty Hurney

I like him, he had 2 very good seasons, he didnt run their drafts even if he did they have pretty bad recently though.

Seahawks...Tim Ruskell

Another guy I like other than the handling of guys like Hamlin and the major blunder with Steve Hutchinson he does his job well. But does he do it better than JJ IMO no and a couple wild card wins and a superbowl loss dont change that

Rams...Jay Zygmunt

Is another cap guy not considered strong on personnel but you want him to be our personnel guy? He took over GM duties in 2007 and the Rams sucked. My favorite quote about him "(Zygmunt) a general manager who has no credible football background" and this scathing paragraph

Softli is not the problem. When he was hired in June 2006, he was given the fancy title of vice president, player personnel. But almost immediately after he got the job, Softli — a career football man who played Division I football, coached on the collegiate level and scouted on the pro level — was quickly told by Zygmunt to limit his activity to scouting college players. Zygmunt, the trained lawyer and accountant who has never played, coached or scouted on any level beyond high school to the best we can find, said he would handle the pro personnel side.

And how lovely has that worked out?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sp...200D8F93288800BC862573C2001C69C3?OpenDocument

GREAT choice, BTW this name shows me you just listed a bunch of guys and had no clue as to their actual role

Titans...Mike Reinfeldt

a guy who has been GM one year and finished 3rd in his division with a 1st round playoff loss. I am sure this would please you













I intended to do a detailed workup of all the names like I did the very first one but as I looked over the list I realized it was not serious that this was made as a joke and hence I decided against doing so much work. BTW you only gave 22 names where are the other two?

 

[BigDFan5]

Yeah, it's much better hearing how Jerry the GM has three SB rings, inferring that he built those teams. LMAO. But hey, it plays well with the homers. *towel wave*

Woo-woo!

I found the problem, you have a reading problem right? Because NOBODY has inferred any such thing. Most people give Jerry credit as well as Jimmy. Its a certain few agenda driven trolls who decide All good things were Jimmy or Parcells and all bad things were Jerry

 

[cowboyeric8]

ownage

 

[Bach]

I found the problem, you have a reading problem right? Because NOBODY has inferred any such thing. Most people give Jerry credit as well as Jimmy. Its a certain few agenda driven trolls who decide All good things were Jimmy or Parcells and all bad things were Jerry

No, you have the reading problem. Never said all good drafts were all Jimmy or Parcells and all bad drafts Jerry's. That's what people without a clue like you infer.

Because you see, one of our worst drafts in recent history was 2004 and I give full blame to Parcells. Why? Because he was primarily responsible for the drafts when he was here and gets both credit and blame for the picks made in that time.

Of course simple-minded people like you ignore this fact and just spew your simple-minded mantra that Jimmy and BP get all the credit and Jerry gets all the blame. When in reality (you should check it out sometime), I give full credit or blame to those responsible.

The good and bad with the drafts from '89-93 was primarily Jimmy's doing. Yes that includes the good picks and the bad picks. See how that works?

The drafts from '94-'02 were Jerry and Lacewell's. Yes, that means the good and bad, which happened to be more bad than good. Go figure.

Then the BP years of 03-06. Again, he primarily gets credited with both the good and bad.

So, how anyone could conclude that only the good gets credited to Jimmy or BP and the bad all to Jerry is clearly a simple-minded agenda driven moron.

 

[BigDFan5]

No, you have the reading problem. Never said all good drafts were all Jimmy or Parcells and all bad drafts Jerry's. That's what people without a clue like you infer.

Because you see, one of our worst drafts in recent history was 2004 and I give full blame to Parcells. Why? Because he was primarily responsible for the drafts when he was here and gets both credit and blame for the picks made in that time.

Of course simple-minded people like you ignore this fact and just spew your simple-minded mantra that Jimmy and BP get all the credit and Jerry gets all the blame. When in reality (you should check it out sometime), I give full credit or blame to those responsible.

The good and bad with the drafts from '89-93 was primarily Jimmy's doing. Yes that includes the good picks and the bad picks. See how that works?

The drafts from '94-'02 were Jerry and Lacewell's. Yes, that means the good and bad, which happened to be more bad than good. Go figure.

Then the BP years of 03-06. Again, he primarily gets credited with both the good and bad.

So, how anyone could conclude that only the good gets credited to Jimmy or BP and the bad all to Jerry is clearly a simple-minded agenda driven moron.

Oh sorry so any good that happened when those 2 coaches were all to their credit and not Jerrys correct he gets 0% credit for those superbowl team? So Jerry was only the GM when certain coaches were here but not when others were here. Gptcha


Nice touch with the namecalling (moron) it suits you

 

[Bach]

ownage

lolololol - he really got me there. What he forgot to mention is that none of those GM's drafted the likes of Quincy, Tony Dixon, Shane Hannah, Kavika Pittman, Alundis Brice, or the many other plethora of busts that ultimately left us with three straight back to back to back 5-11 seasons.

But woo-hoo Jerry has 3 rings thanks to Jimmy and company.

 

[BigDFan5]

lolololol - he really got me there. What he forgot to mention is that none of those GM's drafted the likes of Quincy, Tony Dixon, Shane Hannah, Kavika Pittman, Alundis Brice, or the many other plethora of busts that ultimately left us with three straight back to back to back 5-11 seasons.

But woo-hoo Jerry has 3 rings thanks to Jimmy and company.

Ummm every one of them drafted busts some worse than the ones you mention and yet they are on your list

Are you going to rebut any of the points about those GMs I made or avoid it?

I am especially interested on your take on the salary cap guys or guys with no control

Zygmunt especially :laugh1:

 

[Vintage]

Regarding Angelo....

He's done ok. He's been the GM since 2001, so I am not sure if that means he orchestrated the 2001 draft or not (if he did, it was a vast failure).

But in 2002:
Colombo didn't pan out in Chicago bec. of injury problems; I really can't fault him there. Colombo has panned out for us. It was a miss for Chicago, but there wasn't really a way Angelo could have forseen that....and Colombo has panned out to be a pretty good OT, so in terms of talent, it was a pretty good pick. Metcalf has started for Chicago. Alex Brown has started at DE for them. Adrian Peterson is a contributor for them as well. Solid draft.

2003- Haynes was a miss. Grossman has sucked, true. But he's also started. Not worth a 1st rounder, obviously.... but they got some production out of him. Tillman and Briggs were great picks. Bobby Wade was a solid WR/KR for them for awhile. Todd Johnson was a contributor on special teams. Ian Scott was a solid rotation guy at DT, Odom is still with the team as a backup and on special teams, and Gage gave them some help at WR. Outside of the 1st round, they did very well.

2004
Tommie Harris is a stud. Tank Johnson was a good DT for them. Berrian and Vasher were excellent finds as well. Good draft

2005
Benson has been a disappointment. Orton was worth the selection. Bradley has been a bit disappointing as well, but now has an opportunity to get some PT next year. Chris Harris was a good pickup in the 6th round

2006
Manning will probably start for them next year. Hester, obviously was a good pick. Dusty D. is penciled in as a starter for them next year. They like Jamar Williams' athleticism.... and Mark Anderson was an excellent selection

And last year, its too early to tell.


I am not saying Angelo is a better GM than Jerry. Just saying that there drafts have been pretty solid under Angelo...

 

[Bach]

Oh sorry so any good that happened when those 2 coaches were all to their credit and not Jerrys correct he gets 0% credit for those superbowl team? So Jerry was only the GM when certain coaches were here but not when others were here. Gptcha

Nice touch with the namecalling (moron) it suits you

I think this has all been discussed before. I don't know why you have to keep insisting on starting over at square one everytime it comes up.

There's a search mode, you may want to look into it. It's all right there for you. You might even find out that I've never given Jerry 0% credit. But hey, why bother when you can just make stuff up. Right?

 

[BigDFan5]

I think this has all been discussed before. I don't know why you have to keep insisting on starting over at square one everytime it comes up.

There's a search mode, you may want to look into it. It's all right there for you. You might even find out that I've never given Jerry 0% credit. But hey, why bother when you can just make stuff up. Right?

Oh thats right you gave him credit for hiring the guy that was responsible for everything, I remember now

 

[Vintage]

Bach, before the draft, would you mind going on record with what a successful draft would look like?

That way if it unfolds similar to what you want, you won't be able to rip on Jerry for the draft and credit will have to be given.

And if the opposite holds true, no one can accuse you of "hating" on Jerry when you've clearly outlined what you thought we should do.

 

[Bach]

Ummm every one of them drafted busts some worse than the ones you mention and yet they are on your list

Are you going to rebut any of the points about those GMs I made or avoid it?

I am especially interested on your take on the salary cap guys or guys with no control

Zygmunt especially :laugh1:

I'd like to see your detailed analysis of Jerry and Lacewell's drafts once Jimmy left. That ought to be quite the read.

And, Jerry the owner hasn't been the problem. What any team needs, and he provides, is an owner that is willing to open his wallet. And Stephen has done a good job with the cap.

But, please. Lets' see that Jerry analysis once he took over full control in '94.

 

[Vintage]

I'd like to see your detailed analysis of Jerry and Lacewell's drafts once Jimmy left. That ought to be quite the read.

And, Jerry the owner hasn't been the problem. What any team needs, and he provides, is an owner that is willing to open his wallet. And Stephen has done a good job with the cap.

But, please. Lets' see that Jerry analysis once he took over full control in '94.

No one is arguing Jerry really screwed the pooch in the 90s. No one is dumb enough to suggest otherwise.

What others are saying, is that Jerry has learned from that.

 

[Bach]

Oh thats right you gave him credit for hiring the guy that was responsible for everything, I remember now

And you want to give him credit for what? Rubberstamping the decisions that Jimmy made? Ok. You got it. He gets credit for rubberstamping Jimmy's decisions. Feel better?

Oh, yeah, he did say there was once or twice he didn't agree with what Jimmy said. So assuming his two decisions he made when he overrode turned out, then he gets credit for those also.