General Managers In the NFL

[BigDFan5]

I'd like to see your detailed analysis of Jerry and Lacewell's drafts once Jimmy left. That ought to be quite the read.

And, Jerry the owner hasn't been the problem. What any team needs, and he provides, is an owner that is willing to open his wallet. And Stephen has done a good job with the cap.

But, please. Lets' see that Jerry analysis once he took over full control in '94.

thats the point you want to give some time period as to when he had control. He had been in control since day 1 remember "socks and jocks" He was part of building the team of the 90s no matter how little you want to believe it


BTW my rebuttle on the GM post coming soon?

 

[Bach]

No one is arguing Jerry really screwed the pooch in the 90s. No one is dumb enough to suggest otherwise.

What others are saying, is that Jerry has learned from that.

He may have, and I'm not saying he hasn't learned. All I've said is we don't know yet, since it's rather apparent BP and/or Ireland were largely responsible for most of the drafts the last 5 years.

And yeah, actually there are quite a few on here dumb enough to downplay Jerry pooch screwing of the 90's.

 

[BigDFan5]

And you want to give him credit for what? Rubberstamping the decisions that Jimmy made? Ok. You got it. He gets credit for rubberstamping Jimmy's decisions. Feel better?

:laugh2: You never fail to amaze me. So now Jerry Jones the man who is a controlling, over egotistical ******* who gets in everyones way was just a figurehead during the early 90s?

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

He may have, and I'm not saying he hasn't learned. All I've said is we don't know yet, since it's rather apparent BP and/or Ireland were largely responsible for most of the drafts the last 5 years.

And yeah, actually there are quite a few on here dumb enough to downplay Jerry pooch screwing of the 90's.

How many of your 2820 posts have been about how awful Jerry was, is, will be as owner/GM?

 

[Vintage]

He may have, and I'm not saying he hasn't learned. All I've said is we don't know yet, since it's rather apparent BP and/or Ireland were largely responsible for most of the drafts the last 5 years.

And yeah, actually there are quite a few on here dumb enough to downplay Jerry pooch screwing of the 90's.

OK.

Look at free agency then.

Last year, Jerry went after Davis and Hamlin. They panned out, no? Seems like that was pretty much a Jerry decision. Credit to Jerry?

 

[Bach]

thats the point you want to give some time period as to when he had control. He had been in control since day 1 remember "socks and jocks" He was part of building the team of the 90s no matter how little you want to believe it

The point is, Jimmy and BP clearly had far more control in personnel decisions when they were here than anyone in between or since. But you and other try to act like Jerry's amount of control has been the same since day one, and that is far from the truth. His quote about agreeing with all but one or two of Jimmy's decisions even proves it.

But hey, let's all act like Jerry was the same from day one when he first got involved as he was when he and Lacewell were driving the team into the ground and then the same while BP was here. It'll really make the homers feel really warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

The point is, Jimmy and BP clearly had far more control in personnel decisions when they were here than anyone in between or since. But you and other try to act like Jerry's amount of control has been the same since day one, and that is far from the truth. His quote about agreeing with all but one or two of Jimmy's decisions even proves it.

But hey, let's all act like Jerry was the same from day one when he first got involved as he was when he and Lacewell were driving the team into the ground and then the same while BP was here. It'll really make the homers feel really warm and fuzzy inside.

I think we've found us an Extreme, Idiotic, Jerry Hater.

 

[BigDFan5]

The point is, Jimmy and BP clearly had far more control in personnel decisions when they were here than anyone in between or since. But you and other try to act like Jerry's amount of control has been the same since day one, and that is far from the truth. His quote about agreeing with all but one or two of Jimmy's decisions even proves it.

No it doesnt prove anything except what Parcells said. Which was Jerry had final say and they worked together on all decisions

But hey, let's all act like Jerry was the same from day one when he first got involved as he was when he and Lacewell were driving the team into the ground and then the same while BP was here. It'll really make the homers feel really warm and fuzzy inside.

Hey and lets pretend Jerry is just some rube who every few years decides he doesnt want to be GM and goes along for the ride

 

[Bach]

:laugh2: You never fail to amaze me. So now Jerry Jones the man who is a controlling, over egotistical ******* who gets in everyones way was just a figurehead during the early 90s?

Were you even around in the early '90's? Do you not recall Jimmy running the draft?


I guess you don't. So now, tell me again how Jerry was in total control of the team from day one and stepped right in and built that team into back to back Super Bowl champions. :laugh2:

Then I guess we're to believe that once Jimmy left, Jerry somehow just had an unlucky 8-9 year stretch and then, by coincidence, once BP came on board Jerry just happened to get his luck going in the draft again.

Oh man, you really believe that don't you? :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[Bach]

No it doesnt prove anything except what Parcells said. Which was Jerry had final say and they worked together on all decisions

Yep. Final say, ie, rubberstamping. Gotcha.

Hey and lets pretend Jerry is just some rube who every few years decides he doesnt want to be GM and goes along for the ride

More like an oilman that was trying to learn the ropes the first few years. Then once we became successful he got jealous of Jimmy getting the credit for the teams Super Bowls and thought he could run the team just as well. Hence the any of 500 coaches comment. Hence the hiring of puppet HC's. But after three straight 5-11 seasons he got desperate and decided to finally bring in a quality football man again.

But let's just pretend an oilman came in from day one and was able to turn a floundering team around in 3 short years to win a Super Bowl and then repeat the next year. :laugh2:

 

[BigDFan5]

Were you even around in the early '90's? Do you not recall Jimmy running the draft?

Was he alone in that room?

I guess you don't. So now, tell me again how Jerry was in total control of the team from day one and stepped right in and built that team into back to back Super Bowl champions. :laugh2:

Here we go again. I never said Jerry did it alone I said Jerry and Jimmy BOTH did it as well as scouts why is that so hard for you to understand?

Then I guess we're to believe that once Jimmy left, Jerry somehow just had an unlucky 8-9 year stretch and then, by coincidence, once BP came on board Jerry just happened to get his luck going in the draft again.

Oh man, you really believe that don't you? :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

All kinds of contributing factors losing Jimmy being one of them as well as losing scouts, and getting bad advise

 

[Rampage]

Yep. Final say, ie, rubberstamping. Gotcha.





More like an oilman that was trying to learn the ropes the first few years. Then once we became successful he got jealous of Jimmy getting the credit for the teams Super Bowls and thought he could run the team just as well. Hence the any of 500 coaches comment. Hence the hiring of puppet HC's. But after three straight 5-11 seasons he got desperate and decided to finally bring in a quality football man again.

But let's just pretend an oilman came in from day one and was able to turn a floundering team around in 3 short years to win a Super Bowl and then repeat the next year. :laugh2:

:laugh2: it's true

 

[Bach]

No one is arguing Jerry really screwed the pooch in the 90s. No one is dumb enough to suggest otherwise.

Uh. I think I found one.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

:bang2: :bang2: Snyder, what did Jerry ever do to you?

 

[Vintage]

Then I guess we're to believe that once Jimmy left, Jerry somehow just had an unlucky 8-9 year stretch and then, by coincidence, once BP came on board Jerry just happened to get his luck going in the draft again.

Oh man, you really believe that don't you? :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

That....or Jerry realized he needed help. And Parcells taught Jerry a thing or two.

Why is that so hard to believe?

Jerry brought in Owens. I doubt Parcells really asked for Owens, but said he'd be ok with it. Jerry also clearly brought in Davis and Hamlin, both played great roles for us last year.

We are going to find out one way or another how much Jerry has learned from Parcells.

And the only thing we really have to look at thus far is the '07 draft, '07 free agency, and '08 free agency.

07 Free Agency: Hamlin, Davis, extension for Romo, extension for Crayton, extension for Ratliff. Maybe we slightly overpaid for Crayton.... but all of those are successes in my opinion.

07 Draft. Spencer looked good when he started. Folk was a nice surprise. Anderson was solid when he played. Marten and Free we knew weren't going to get PT (hopefully, anyway). Stanback was a project player. Brown was an athlete.... and Ball was a bit of a project player too. Ultimately, its waaaay too early to tell on this draft, but so far, I'd say it was solid. We got contributions from players we expected (Spencer and Folk), and no contribution from players we knew weren't (Free, Marten, and Stanback).

08 Free Agency. Zach Thomas was added. Adams was re-signed. Both were good moves.

Its a very limited "body" of work to look at. But from what we know, it looks pretty good.

Yes, he screwed up a great many things pre-Parcells. But that's no longer relevant. What is relevant is what he is doing now and for the future. And judging from what's happened since Parcells has left (even though its a small sample size), can you honestly say Jerry is reverting back to his old ways?

 

[BigDFan5]

Yep. Final say, ie, rubberstamping. Gotcha.

So Jerry rubberstamped Parcells decision to get TO?

More like an oilman that was trying to learn the ropes the first few years. Then once we became successful he got jealous of Jimmy getting the credit for the teams Super Bowls and thought he could run the team just as well. Hence the any of 500 coaches comment. Hence the hiring of puppet HC's. But after three straight 5-11 seasons he got desperate and decided to finally bring in a quality football man again.

My bad I forgot Jimmy was a great NFL GM before Jerry hired him, oh wait what he wasnt? You mean he was just learning the ropes?

But let's just pretend an oilman came in from day one and was able to turn a floundering team around in 3 short years to win a Super Bowl and then repeat the next year. :laugh2:

Just as good as believing a college coach came in and started running an NFL team all by himself except for the occasional head nod from Jerry

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

Uh. I think I found one.

I didn't know House was a Cowboys fan. Interesting

 

[BigDFan5]

That....or Jerry realized he needed help. And Parcells taught Jerry a thing or two.

Why is that so hard to believe?

Jerry brought in Owens. I doubt Parcells really asked for Owens, but said he'd be ok with it. Jerry also clearly brought in Davis and Hamlin, both played great roles for us last year.

We are going to find out one way or another how much Jerry has learned from Parcells.

And the only thing we really have to look at thus far is the '07 draft, '07 free agency, and '08 free agency.

Hamlin, Adams, extension for Romo, extension for Crayton, extension for Ratliff. Maybe we slightly overpaid for Crayton.... but all of those are successes in my opinion.

07 Draft. Spencer looked good when he started. Folk was a nice surprise. Anderson was solid when he played. Marten and Free we knew weren't going to get PT (hopefully, anyway). Stanback was a project player. Brown was an athlete.... and Ball was a bit of a project player too. Ultimately, its waaaay too early to tell on this draft, but so far, I'd say it was solid. We got contributions from players we expected (Spencer and Folk), and no contribution from players we knew weren't (Free, Marten, and Stanback).

08 Free Agency. Zach Thomas was added. Adams was re-signed. Both were good moves.

Its a very limited "body" of work to look at. But from what we know, it looks pretty good.

Yes, he screwed up a great many things pre-Parcells. But that's no longer relevant. What is relevant is what he is doing now and for the future. And judging from what's happened since Parcells has left (even though its a small sample size), can you honestly say Jerry is reverting back to his old ways?

:clap2:

 

[Bach]

Was he alone in that room?

No, Jerry was their to rubberstam...give final say.

Here we go again. I never said Jerry did it alone I said Jerry and Jimmy BOTH did it as well as scouts why is that so hard for you to understand?

I never said Jimmy did it alone. But to act like Jerry's role and control has never changed from day one through the mid to late 90's and then til now is incredibly clueless.

All kinds of contributing factors losing Jimmy being one of them as well as losing scouts, and getting bad advise

Not to mention hiring puppet HC's and not bringing in a real GM all the while listening to idiot Lacewell.

 

[BigDFan5]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2025773&postcount=87

Still waiting on a reply to that post Bach, I am sure you are working on it