Give him credit: Roy is a beast in the run game..

[AdamJT13]

And last year, Mike Vick was a starting QB.

What's your point? You said Roy isn't a game-changer like he was "early in his career." Was last year "early in his career"?

 

[Cowboyz88]

My point, Adam, is that as good as your breakdowns are, and you cap knowledge is, your (and so many others) constant "covering" for Roy is unbelievable.

How can you, a guy with a ton of football knowledge, refuse to recognize Roy's shortcomings.

Geez man, the coaches are telling you so.

Can you seriously say, with a straight face, that Roy deserves his salary and cap-hit? This on a team with real prime-time players - Romo, Witten, Ware, etc.

 

[smarta5150]

My point, Adam, is that as good as your breakdowns are, and you cap knowledge is, your (and so many others) constant "covering" for Roy is unbelievable.

How can you, a guy with a ton of football knowledge, refuse to recognize Roy's shortcomings.

Geez man, the coaches are telling you so.

Can you seriously say, with a straight face, that Roy deserves his salary and cap-hit? This on a team with real prime-time players - Romo, Witten, Ware, etc.

He is excellent against the run.

He is average against the pass.

We are accepting him for what he is.

The fans who are disappointed with RW are expecting him to have the skills of a shutdown CB and at the same time be as good as a 4-3 MLB.

 

[Cowboyz88]

He is excellent against the run.

He is average against the pass.

We are accepting him for what he is.

The fans who are disappointed with RW are expecting him to have the skills of a shutdown CB and at the same time be as good as a 4-3 MLB.

Using your rationale:

Excellent Run = A
Average (I heartedly disagree, but whatever) Pass = C
Total? = B - freaking AVERAGE

So then, how can you guys continually and staunchly defend a player who's average?

Why not stand up so adamantly for Kyle Kosier? Geez.

And, doesn't it bother you that the Cowboys are paying superstar $$$$$ for middle-of-the-road results?

I just don't get it.

 

[TEK2000]

although Roy's vision looks to be blocked by the traffic with Spears and James.
c.) Again Hamlin appears to have a direct line-of-site to Grant and Roy appears to pick him up a bit late as Grant passes the traffic.

IMO, the biggest culprits on the play were Spears, who got manhandled, as well as Akin and James for failing to get off of the blockers. That said, the safeties (yes both of them) also failed in support (the name safety actually implies last line of defense), but the suggestion that Roy wasn't at fault because Hamlin tripped him is completely bogus.

While Hamlin had a better sight line, he also had further to run. He made it to Grant much faster than Roy. In fact, Hamlin looked to be running while Roy was in a pseudo jog.

Again, any apologist who blames Hamlin for tripping Roy isn't being subjective or honest for that matter. Roy had no shot given his blocked recognition and odd angle.

He was, by no means, entirely responsible for the Grant run, but he failed to help, as did Hamlin.

Thanks for giving every CORRECT reason why Roy didn't make the play on that particular run..... You've just made the "Roy apologists'" case on this play. THANKS!

You are wrong on a few points though... Hamlin didn't have further to run as he was closer to the line of scrimmage... had a clear line of sight to the ball carrier and started moving in that direction.
Roy on the other hand couldn't see the ball carrier at all until he was running full speed and just blew by Akin Ayodele... at the snap Roy recognizes run and runs closer to the LOS in run support but doesn't see the ball carrier until very late. He wound up out of position because he was trying to find the ball carrier... when he finally did, Grant was already at full speed and it was too late for Roy to get over there.

Bottom line. AKIN AYODELE and BRADIE JAMES CANNOT get blocked like that. You've got to AT LEAST slow the RB down.

Ken Hamlin has missed quite a few tackles this season and that was one of them.

Their guys get paid to play the game too... hell, Julius Jones did the same exact thing to the Seattle defense in the playoffs.

 

[smarta5150]

Using your rationale:

Excellent Run = A
Average (I heartedly disagree, but whatever) Pass = C
Total? = B - freaking AVERAGE

So then, how can you guys continually and staunchly defend a player who's average?

Why not stand up so adamantly for Kyle Kosier? Geez.

And, doesn't it bother you that the Cowboys are paying superstar $$$$$ for middle-of-the-road results?

I just don't get it.

Since he is a STRONG safety I would weight his play against the run significantly higher than his play against the pass.

Also... RW is 1 of the better SS in the league.

If you happen to watch other SS on Sundays you would realize we are lucky to have a player like RW.



EDIT:

Excellent Run = A
Average (I heartedly disagree, but whatever) Pass = C
Total? = B - freaking AVERAGE


funny... how is a B average and a C is also average.

B would be above average then

 

[bbgun]

Using your rationale:

Excellent Run = A
Average (I heartedly disagree, but whatever) Pass = C
Total ? = B - freaking AVERAGE

So then, how can you guys continually and staunchly defend a player who's average?

Why not stand up so adamantly for Kyle Kosier? Geez.

And, doesn't it bother you that the Cowboys are paying superstar $$$$$ for middle-of-the-road results?

I just don't get it.

Haven't you heard? He's an "elite, top 5" safety. When you only look good in comparison to others playing your position, that's when you know you have a problem. But hey, somebody has to go to Hawaii every year, and Roy--the beneficiary of weak competition--is the least objectionable candidate. If you don't build him up, we won't tear him down.

 

[AdamJT13]

My point, Adam, is that as good as your breakdowns are, and you cap knowledge is, your (and so many others) constant "covering" for Roy is unbelievable.

How can you, a guy with a ton of football knowledge, refuse to recognize Roy's shortcomings.

Geez man, the coaches are telling you so.

Can you seriously say, with a straight face, that Roy deserves his salary and cap-hit? This on a team with real prime-time players - Romo, Witten, Ware, etc.

Yes, Roy deserves his salary and cap hit. It's only the people who mistakenly think that Roy is "the highest-paid player on the team" who complain about his salary and cap hit.

The guy had more takeaways last year than any other safety. He's a little behind that pace this year, but so what? He also has allowed far fewer big plays this year.

Some people make Darren Woodson out to have been twice the safety Roy is right now, but how many seasons did Woodson ever make a lot of big plays? And do people remember the seasons when Woodson allowed extremely high completion percentages or got burned for eight touchdown catches while STILL not making many big plays? Nope. But if Roy ever has a merely good season, he's suddenly the most overrated, overpaid player in the league. Some people just lack perspective.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Thanks for giving every CORRECT reason why Roy didn't make the play on that particular run..... You've just made the "Roy apologists'" case on this play. THANKS!

but then you followed it up by pointing out some really idiotic stuff about not making any game changing plays and being the highest paid player on the team.

This is why you guys are such a joke.

I openly and honestly pointed out what happened on the play. I was hearing all this whining that Roy wasn't at fault, because Hamlin tripped him — complete BS. Fact is they both FAILED on the play, Hamlin and your sweet, perfect Roy.

This somehow you love.

Then, I point out that he's made very little "impact plays", with stats by the way, and you completely dismiss it.

You CAN'T see any of his faults because your head is so far up his behind.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Since he is a STRONG safety I would weight his play against the run significantly higher than his play against the pass.

Also... RW is 1 of the better SS in the league.

If you happen to watch other SS on Sundays you would realize we are lucky to have a player like RW.



EDIT:

Excellent Run = A
Average (I heartedly disagree, but whatever) Pass = C
Total? = B - freaking AVERAGE


funny... how is a B average and a C is also average.

B would be above average then

Typical semantics from you guys.

Hey dude, above average ain't Pro Bowl material in my book.

 

[smarta5150]

Typical semantics from you guys.

Hey dude, above average ain't Pro Bowl material in my book.

Way to ignore everything but the EDIT

 

[TEK2000]

This is why you guys are such a joke.

I openly and honestly pointed out what happened on the play. I was hearing all this whining that Roy wasn't at fault, because Hamlin tripped him — complete BS. Fact is they both FAILED on the play, Hamlin and your sweet, perfect Roy.

This somehow you love.

Then, I point out that he's made very little "impact plays", with stats by the way, and you completely dismiss it.

You CAN'T see any of his faults because your head is so far up his behind.

You're the one that is blind because you're only reading what you want to believe people are saying. You're either intent on arguing or have some serious reading comprehension issues.

Your point about "impact plays" was dismissed WITH STATS... you've responded with jack crap since then.

 

[Cowboyz88]

Yes, Roy deserves his salary and cap hit. It's only the people who mistakenly think that Roy is "the highest-paid player on the team" who complain about his salary and cap hit.

The guy had more takeaways last year than any other safety. He's a little behind that pace this year, but so what? He also has allowed far fewer big plays this year.

Some people make Darren Woodson out to have been twice the safety Roy is right now, but how many seasons did Woodson ever make a lot of big plays? And do people remember the seasons when Woodson allowed extremely high completion percentages or got burned for eight touchdown catches while STILL not making many big plays? Nope. But if Roy ever has a merely good season, he's suddenly the most overrated, overpaid player in the league. Some people just lack perspective.

Again Adam, I have to question your motives.

The COACHES have allowed him to not allow big plays because they must.

So Roy, deserves his cap-hit? Will you be saying that when one or more of these guys leaves? Flo, Crayton, Barber, Ratliff, T-New, etc.

You, probably more than anyone, know there's a cap and while it does increase, at some point we won't have the funds to sign some of the guys.

As far as I can tell, none of the guys listed only perform half of their job requirements.

Your point about "impact plays" was dismissed WITH STATS... you've responded with jack crap since then.

What stats shot my argument down? Which one.

READ AGAIN: NO sacks, NO tackles for losses, No forced fumbles.

This, from a guy, who is supposedly "great" in run support.

Way to ignore everything but the EDIT

I've already heard this joke of an arguement.

Hey all of them stink, ours just stinks less.

 

[TEK2000]

What stats shot my argument down? Which one.

READ AGAIN: NO sacks, NO tackles for losses, No forced fumbles.

This, from a guy, who is supposedly "great" in run support.

What part of what Adam's response to that did you not understand?

Its the exaggeration that made your statement foolish... "not since early in his career"

Just curious... where are you seeing the Tackles for Loss stat?

 

[Cowboyz88]

What part of what Adam's response to that did you not understand?

Its the exaggeration that made your statement foolish... "not since early in his career"

Perhaps you missed my smart-a@# wise-crack about Vick.

Focus on the here and now, but I know you won't because it's convenient for your side to ignore it.

 

[TEK2000]

Perhaps you missed my smart-a@# wise-crack about Vick.

Focus on the hear and now, but I know you won't because it's convenient for your side to ignore it.

How about you make your statements ACCURATE rather than exaggerating for effect....

 

[PBJTime]

Yes, another Roy Williams hate thread!

It's physically impossible for the haters to stay out of a Roy kudos thread. If they ever stayed out of one, the universe might implode.

 

[AdamJT13]

The COACHES have allowed him to not allow big plays because they must.

Huh? The Coaches have allowed him not to allow big plays? As if he didn't have permission to not allow big plays last year?

So Roy, deserves his cap-hit? Will you be saying that when one or more of these guys leaves? Flo, Crayton, Barber, Ratliff, T-New, etc.

You, probably more than anyone, know there's a cap and while it does increase, at some point we won't have the funds to sign some of the guys.

If we don't re-sign any of them, it won't be because we don't have the cap room to do it -- and it certainly won't be because of Roy's cap hit.

As far as I can tell, none of the guys listed only perform half of their job requirements.

Half of their job requirements? What are you talking about?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How can you, a guy with a ton of football knowledge, refuse to recognize Roy's shortcomings.

this is where you fall short, noone is glancing over Roy's short-comings, in fact we mention all the time that he can be a liability in coverage sometimes, but so is every safety

the problem is your guy's unwillingess to accept that fact, and you way overblow his deficiencies in coverage

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What stats shot my argument down? Which one.

READ AGAIN: NO sacks, NO tackles for losses, No forced fumbles.

This, from a guy, who is supposedly "great" in run support.

yet he's 2nd on the team in tackles, behind the ILB

I'd say that's being great in run support