Going for the TD with 30 seconds to go - is that an unclassy move?

[AtomicDog]

I guess they should fine Jimmy Johnson $500,000 like they did Belicheck.

 

[khiladi]

The story on the intern stealing trash is something he said while on the Fox pre-game show.

Mike and Mad Dog show
9/28

http://www.wfan.com/episode_download.php?contentType=36&contentId=1036042

http://www.wfan.com/pages/744503.php

Q: How about the spying thing Jimmy. You're a coach does that bother you what Belichick did?

JJ: Oh please. I've said it on our show. Eighteen years ago a scout for the chiefs told me what they did, and he said what you need to do is just take your camera and you go and zoom in on the signal caller and that way you can sync it up. The problem is that if they're not on the press box side you can't do it from the press box, you have to do it from the sideline. This was 18 years ago.

Q: You think the NFL came down too hard on them?

JJ: No, no, I said it on the show. He was wrong for doing it for the simple reason that the league knew this was going on not ust in New England but around the league. And the league sent out the memorandum to all of the teams saying you cannot do this. And os that's when Bill Belichick was wrong. After he got the memorandum saying don't do it any more, he did it.

Q: Did you ever steal signals?

JJ: Oh in a heartbeat, yeah. Yes I did.

Q: Via video, Jimmy? Or no?

JJ: Oh yeah, I did it with video and so did a lot of other teams in the league. Just to make sure that you could study it and take your time, because you're going to play the other team the second time around. But a lot of coaches did it, this was commonplace.

Q: But did you do it by taping the signal caller?

JJ: Yeah.

Q: Oh you did.

JJ: That's what I'm saying. I was saying one of Marty Schottenheimers scouts, Mark Hatley, who has passed away now, Mark told me that's how they did it, and Howard Mudd their offensive line coach with Kansas City, who now coaches for Tony Dungy, he was the best in the entire league at stealing signals.

Q: Where'd you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?

JJ: My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box. So you'd just put an extra camera up with your camera crew in the press box who zoomed in on the signal callers. That's the best way to do it, but anyway you can't always do that because the press box camera crew might be on the same side as the opposing team. If they're on the same side as the opposing team that's when you need to do it from the sideline.
Q: Also with some operations and some teams they have equipment set up within the stadium so they can just run it ack and check what's going on during the game anyway.

JJ: Oh I'll tell you [laughing] some of the stuff that goes on it's almost comical.

Q: Jimmy don't you think using contraptions like that goes against the spirit of football?

JJ: Well that's why the league put in that you can't use any electronic equipment, during the game, locker room, press box, sideline, this type of thing. They ruled against it and again that's why Bill Belichick was wrong.

Q: How much of an advantage would it give them?

JJ: Well you know Bradshaw and I had a talk back and forth on this. I did it a few times and then I stopped doing it because I didn't think we got much out of it to be honest with you. But games are so close... If it gives you one single play in the ballgame it might be the difference. But again, he was wrong for doing it after the memorandum was sent out by the league, because the league knew that other teams were doing it. And so... it was a commonplace thing though.

Where does it say that JJ and any other coach for that matter was taping the other team from the SIDELINES?

And when was technology 18 years ago equivalent to what it is now, espeically in relation to real-time video?

You do realize the quote you brought says the tales were used for playing a team the second time around... How does that relate to teams accusing the patriots of making HALF-TIME ADJUSTMENTS?

And when were any other teams violating league rules that are explicit?

 

[03EBZ06]

Just because Jimmy Johnson did it doesn't justify Bellicheat's actions. He should have been suspended. JJ should have fined and suspended if he was still coaching. All cheaters who have violated NFL rules should be fined and suspended.

 

[khiladi]

What's amusing is people likening techology in the days of George Allen to technology today?

If your going to make comparisons, compare apples to apples... hell, it was only in the last few years that they started to put the yellow computer generated first down marker on the screen...

 

[MetalHead]

Are you serious? Are you for real?

I thought we were talking about a pro football game, not children fighting.

What are you even talking about?

Bad analogy if that is what that was.

When you realize the difference between NFL football and kids squabbling, get back to me.

I can't believe this.

The blindest man alive is the one who refuses to see.
Today you are that man.

Were they a better team?
Yes

Your little "if you don't want them to score,stop them" BS is what is out of line.
You know better(I hope) than that.
You know when the opponent is neutralized,and defeated,dont you,or the don't teach that in WV,do they?
I did not start this thread,but the thread starter among many here share the same feelings.
Get the point?..or should I elaborate more.
Let's see...
If the French didn't want to get invaded,they should have stopped the *****.
If Joan of Arc didn't want to get burned alive she should have stopped the flames.
If Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman didn't want to get killed they would have stopped OJ,right?

Get it now,genius?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I don't get it either.

The question wasn't if they can run up the score when possible. Of course they can. The question was if it was classless. Yes it was.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Where does it say that JJ and any other coach for that matter was taping the other team from the SIDELINES?

And when was technology 18 years ago equivalent to what it is now, espeically in relation to real-time video?

You do realize the quote you brought says the tales were used for playing a team the second time around... How does that relate to teams accusing the patriots of making HALF-TIME ADJUSTMENTS?

And when were any other teams violating league rules that are explicit?

Not excusing the Pats, but what does it matter what technology was used? They did it AFTER it was made clear that it was in violation. They were wrong.

The question was simply asked whether Jimmy did it. He did. He admitted it. No matter the technology that was available at the time. No matter the means in which he did it. No matter how he used it. He did it. I don't think any differently about Jimmy or the 'boys trophies. Had he done it after the mandate stated that they shouldn't videotape signals, then it would be a problem.

 

[MetalHead]

I don't get it either.

The question wasn't if they can run up the score when possible. Of course they can. The question was if it was classless. Yes it was.

The point of this thread all along....some people can't seem to grasp it.

 

[Wolfpack]

I don't get it either.

The question wasn't if they can run up the score when possible. Of course they can. The question was if it was classless. Yes it was.

Exactly....

 

[khiladi]

Not excusing the Pats, but what does it matter what technology was used? They did it AFTER it was made clear that it was in violation. They were wrong.

The question was simply asked whether Jimmy did it. He did. He admitted it. No matter the technology that was available at the time. No matter the means in which he did it. No matter how he used it. He did it. I don't think any differently about Jimmy or the 'boys trophies. Had he done it after the mandate stated that they shouldn't videotape signals, then it would be a problem.

No, it is nothing like what the Patriots did.... Everything can seem alike depending on how you phrase the question, but it just shows the fallacy of the question if one is really paying attention...

The context of Jimmy was clearly to play it down... He made some general statements that, upon further analysis, clearly show that they were unlike anything Bellicheat was doing. Every player has admitted that teams try and steal signals, but the issue was that Bellicheat went WAY OUT OF LINE...

And technology has everything to do with it, because the players clearly were arguing that Bellicheat was using it during the game and making half-time adjustments...

And these were games where Brady ends up going 7-0 in overtime, making last minute drives without any problem moving the ball, despite the fact the whole game they were not moving the ball that effectively...

anybody with a sense of logic can understand fishy, especially when the NFL goes ahead and burns all the tapes...

 

[WV Cowboy]

The blindest man alive is the one who refuses to see.
Today you are that man.

Were they a better team?
Yes

Your little "if you don't want them to score,stop them" BS is what is out of line.
You know better(I hope) than that.
You know when the opponent is neutralized,and defeated,dont you,or the don't teach that in WV,do they?
I did not start this thread,but the thread starter among many here share the same feelings.
Get the point?..or should I elaborate more.
Let's see...
If the French didn't want to get invaded,they should have stopped the *****.
If Joan of Arc didn't want to get burned alive she should have stopped the flames.
If Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman didn't want to get killed they would have stopped OJ,right?

Get it now,genius?

First your kids, then the French, then Joan of Arc, the Niclole and Ron, ... what in the world are you talking about?

Whether they scored that TD or not had no significance at all in that game. You need to realize that.

None.

After us giving up 40+ points, ... that's what you are worried about??

Until you learn to take responsibility for what happens to you, you will never improve.

If you always find excuses or blame someone else, why would you even try to improve, it's not your fault.

It was our fault that we let them score 48 points in 60 minutes.

Stop whining, it's embarassing.

 

[shnagy]

The blindest man alive is the one who refuses to see.
Today you are that man.

Were they a better team?
Yes

Your little "if you don't want them to score,stop them" BS is what is out of line.
You know better(I hope) than that.
You know when the opponent is neutralized,and defeated,dont you,or the don't teach that in WV,do they?
I did not start this thread,but the thread starter among many here share the same feelings.
Get the point?..or should I elaborate more.
Let's see...
If the French didn't want to get invaded,they should have stopped the *****.
If Joan of Arc didn't want to get burned alive she should have stopped the flames.
If Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman didn't want to get killed they would have stopped OJ,right?

Get it now,genius?

Whats classy about hoping a guy gets injured (your sig)? Whats classy about insulting people in WV, a state that you probably have never been to? Nothing at all. You use poor analogies to try and get your point across.

ON the other hand...I agree with the original point you stated that it isn't necessary to run up the score. If you want to talk about class though, you need to reevaluate what you say.

 

[WoodysGirl]

No, it is nothing like what the Patriots did.... Everything can seem alike depending on how you phrase the question, but it just shows the fallacy of the question if one is really paying attention...

The context of Jimmy was clearly to play it down... He made some general statements that, upon further analysis, clearly show that they were unlike anything Bellicheat was doing. Every player has admitted that teams try and steal signals, but the issue was that Bellicheat went WAY OUT OF LINE...

And technology has everything to do with it, because the players clearly were arguing that Bellicheat was using it during the game and making half-time adjustments...

And these were games where Brady ends up going 7-0 in overtime, making last minute drives without any problem moving the ball, despite the fact the whole game they were not moving the ball that effectively...

anybody with a sense of logic can understand fishy, especially when the NFL goes ahead and burns all the tapes...

There was nothing general about what Jimmy said. I listened to the audio as well as re-read the transcript. He was very specific about how he videotaped signals. The point is he did it. I honestly don't care how each tried to apply the knowledge. They both did it and there's nothing you can do to justify the fact that Jimmy did it, too.

Pats were wrong because they did it after they were told not to do it.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Best believe that will surface IF Dallas faces them again in the Superbowl... I hope they remember that B.S. and take it out on the field!

 

[SultanOfSix]

There was nothing general about what Jimmy said. I listened to the audio as well as re-read the transcript. He was very specific about how he videotaped signals. The point is he did it. I honestly don't care how each tried to apply the knowledge. They both did it and there's nothing you can do to justify the fact that Jimmy did it, too.

Pats were wrong because they did it after they were told not to do it.

Yes, he did do it, when it wasn't illegal. And he also said he did it, but it didn't help his team so he stopped doing it.

Two things that can't be said about Belicheat. In addition, with respect to these tapes, who in the hell burns evidence?

This reeks of consipiracy and, although I'm just a little peon who doesn't have the mass propaganda machine behind him to brainwash the public, I'm going to raise this issue every chance I get. Because it's only when people forget about corruption that it can breed.

 

[MetalHead]

First your kids, then the French, then Joan of Arc, the Niclole and Ron, ... what in the world are you talking about?

Whether they scored that TD or not had no significance at all in that game. You need to realize that.

None.

After us giving up 40+ points, ... that's what you are worried about??

Until you learn to take responsibility for what happens to you, you will never improve.

If you always find excuses or blame someone else, why would you even try to improve, it's not your fault.

It was our fault that we let them score 48 points in 60 minutes.

Stop whining, it's embarassing.

Nevermind..you are obviously not equipped to understand.
My explanations went over your head.
You are not in my league....sorry.

 

[MetalHead]

Whats classy about hoping a guy gets injured (your sig)? Whats classy about insulting people in WV, a state that you probably have never been to? Nothing at all. You use poor analogies to try and get your point across.

ON the other hand...I agree with the original point you stated that it isn't necessary to run up the score. If you want to talk about class though, you need to reevaluate what you say.

 

[TwentyOne]

Classless Franchise - End of story!

 

[Kangaroo]

Who cares maybe the team should have played better and then it be a non issue

 

[WV Cowboy]

Nevermind..you are obviously not equipped to understand.
My explanations went over your head.
You are not in my league....sorry.

Nice cop-out.

I understand football, I understand sports, I don't understand you bringing up all of the abstract topics. I think you were trying to make analogies, but they were so lame they were bizarre.

Talk football and maybe I will understand.

You are in fantasy land. Is that the league you are referring to?:laugh2: