Goodell "Thinks" The DeflateGate Investigation Is Nearing the End

[Manwiththeplan]

Funny thing is that whenever I ask for actual, you know, evidence that the Patriots are guilty, no one ever responds.

You mean besides the deflated balls? If you want evidence that they did it intentionally, there is the fact that the Colts balls were still within range (yes I saw your remark on how each team stores their balls differently, but that still makes this fact evidence). And further evidence that I concede is more circumstantial is how much this seems to go on, based off of different QBs speaking on this.

Now, maybe the Patriots are just smarter than everyone and know that if they inflate the balls to "x" psi then expose it to "y" conditions, they can get the desired results, while still not technically breaking the rules. And while you could argue that they did nothing wrong, I would say this is still cheating.

Now originally, when you seemed to concede that Patriots were guilty of some wrong doing on some level, but it was a minor issue that was blown up due to everyone being jealous of the Patriots, I thought you were mostly correct, but I don't see how anyone can attribute the deflated balls to coincidence.

 

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

...Hatriots taking a break to drink more beer for more ammunition for the peeing match...

 

[Rogah]

You mean besides the deflated balls?

The balls being a few ticks below 12.5 is not evidence of tampering. It is only evidence of the laws of physics.

Now, maybe the Patriots are just smarter than everyone and know that if they inflate the balls to "x" psi then expose it to "y" conditions, they can get the desired results, while still not technically breaking the rules. And while you could argue that they did nothing wrong, I would say this is still cheating.

Bull. If they set the balls to within range before the game and then adjusted the air pressure during the game after mother nature did her thing, people would be screaming bloody murder.

The rule itself makes zero sense. How can you have a legal range of 1 PSI when you consider the extreme weather conditions that some games are played in? But nobody ever imagined this rule would dominate national headlines for a 2 week period. That's because no one figured those who are so jealous of the Patriots would stoop so low.

Now originally, when you seemed to concede that Patriots were guilty of some wrong doing on some level, but it was a minor issue that was blown up due to everyone being jealous of the Patriots, I thought you were mostly correct, but I don't see how anyone can attribute the deflated balls to coincidence.

The laws of physics are not coincidence. If all the Patriots balls were initially set at 12.5, then they should all go down by roughly 1 PSI with a 25 degree drop in temperature.

I am willing to accept the result of the Wells Investigation. Are you?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

fixed it for you

There are NO RINGS on his hand. I fixed it for you!


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[LittleBoyBlue]

Now, maybe the Patriots are just smarter than everyone and know that if they inflate the balls to "x" psi then expose it to "y" conditions, they can get the desired results, while still not technically breaking the rules. And while you could argue that they did nothing wrong, I would say this is still cheating.

You are right and wrong at the same time.

right = if they inflate the balls to "x" psi then expose it to "y" conditions, they can get the desired results

wrong = while still not technically breaking the rules - they are "creating" the cheat scenario.

 

[Rogah]

You are right and wrong at the same time.

right = if they inflate the balls to "x" psi then expose it to "y" conditions, they can get the desired results

wrong = while still not technically breaking the rules - they are "creating" the cheat scenario.

Yeah. Sure. The New England Patriots created cold weather, they created rain and they created the laws of physics which dictate that the air pressure of a sealed contained will decrease as temperature goes down. They also created the sun and moon and stars.

I am willing to accept the results of the Wells Report. Are you?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

The rule itself makes zero sense. How can you have a legal range of 1 PSI when you consider the extreme weather conditions that some games are played in?

Doesn't explain how the Colts balls were still in range. And maybe this is something that happens routinely in cold weather, where the footballs naturally lose that amount of PSI, but if so, I'd imagine the NFL would have realized that their standards for the footballs needs to be adjusted based on temperature.

I am willing to accept the result of the Wells Investigation. Are you?

Is it out?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

If all the Patriots balls were initially set at 12.5, then they should all go down by roughly 1 PSI with a 25 degree drop in temperature.

Admittedly, I stopped following deflate gate at some point before the super bowl, so I have to ask, did the 11 out of 12 balls change? Because if not, I would say to you, all the balls did not drop 1 PSI.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yeah. Sure. The New England Patriots created cold weather, they created rain and they created the laws of physics which dictate that the air pressure of a sealed contained will decrease as temperature goes down. They also created the sun and moon and stars.

I am willing to accept the results of the Wells Report. Are you?

Silly. Replied to that scenario and if possible they are still guilty.

They cheated ... They didn't need to create the scenario. They flat out deflated the balls.


It's just burns your hide that this is the case. Tarnished.


Google this = tarnished lombardi trophy

 

[Rogah]

Doesn't explain how the Colts balls were still in range. And maybe this is something that happens routinely in cold weather, where the footballs naturally lose that amount of PSI, but if so, I'd imagine the NFL would have realized that their standards for the footballs needs to be adjusted based on temperature.

This rule as it is written in the rulebook has literally been in place since the 30's. It never changed because they never imagined it would literally dominate national headlines for a 2 week period.

Is it out?

No it isn't, that's why I am asking you now. Are you willing to accept the results of the Wells Investigation, or are you one of those people that has already made up his mind, facts be damned, and will only accept statements from anyone that supports your pre-conceived notions? Please tell me you are not one of those "they're guilty until proven innocent and even then they're still guilty" people.

Admittedly, I stopped following deflate gate at some point before the super bowl, so I have to ask, did the 11 out of 12 balls change? Because if not, I would say to you, all the balls did not drop 1 PSI.

Keeping in mind that all these reports are unofficial, the report that said 11 of 12 balls dropped 2 PSI has been contradicted by several reporters working for several different media outlets. The statement was that they were "just a few ticks" below the 12.5 PSI lower limit.

 

[Rogah]

Silly. Replied to that scenario and if possible they are still guilty.

They cheated ... They didn't need to create the scenario. They flat out deflated the balls.


It's just burns your hide that this is the case. Tarnished.


Google this = tarnished lombardi trophy

Why'd you ignore my question? Afraid of the truth? Man up and answer this very simple question:

I am willing to accept the results of the Wells Report. Are you?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yeah. Sure. The New England Patriots created cold weather, they created rain and they created the laws of physics which dictate that the air pressure of a sealed contained will decrease as temperature goes down. They also created the sun and moon and stars.

I am willing to accept the results of the Wells Report. Are you?

You are willing becuz you know Mr Krafty has Mr Goodells boys in a vice and has told him if the Wells Report doesnt meet Mr Krafty's approval, he will start cranking that vice down. Any doubt that this is the scenario is erased when a quick trip down memory lane brings up how quickly Goodell destroyed all the evidence and gave the "slap on the wrist" punishment for the last time they Cheaters were caught cheating. Goodell couldnt get that evidence to the incinerator fast enuff!

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Silly. Replied to that scenario and if possible they are still guilty.

They cheated ... They didn't need to create the scenario. They flat out deflated the balls.


It's just burns your hide that this is the case. Tarnished.


Google this = tarnished lombardi trophy

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Why'd you ignore my question? Afraid of the truth? Man up and answer this very simple question:

I am willing to accept the results of the Wells Report. Are you?

I truly wonder how your mind works? I do. Yes, you are renting space in my head. I am sure you could be a case study.

There are options, there are facts, there are delusions. I accept that in society. But you are just hanging on an astral plane that isn't even of this universe.

Perplexing.

 

[Rogah]

I truly wonder how your mind works? I do. Yes, you are renting space in my head. I am sure you could be a case study.

There are options, there are facts, there are delusions. I accept that in society. But you are just hanging on an astral plane that isn't even of this universe.

Perplexing.

Just as I thought: too gutless to answer a simple question.

You know they didn't do anything so you're just getting your preemptive excuse making. Fortunately for me, the vast majority of fandom is going to accept the Wells Repory.

I'm glad people like you exist. It wouldn't be as fun if there weren't a couple bitter and angry holdouts.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

This rule as it is written in the rulebook has literally been in place since the 30's. It never changed because they never imagined it would literally dominate national headlines for a 2 week period.

The laws of physics haven't changed since the 1930s, nor has the fact that the north as well as the north east get really cold during the winter. It's really a stretch to try and at like this is something that naturally happens at every game with similar temperatures, with every set of game balls, except the Colts.

No it isn't, that's why I am asking you now. Are you willing to accept the results of the Wells Investigation, or are you one of those people that has already made up his mind, facts be damned, and will only accept statements from anyone that supports your pre-conceived notions? Please tell me you are not one of those "they're guilty until proven innocent and even then they're still guilty" people.

It's highly unlikely that the Wells report changes my mind, because I'm almost certain that it will come back as inconclusive. There will be facts that can not be side skirted, like the 11 footballs that were under the standard, but likely nothing linking anything to Tom Brady or Bill Bellicheck. But in the unlikely event that there is actual evidence that exonerates them as opposed to a lack of evidence, sure.

Keeping in mind that all these reports are unofficial, the report that said 11 of 12 balls dropped 2 PSI has been contradicted by several reporters working for several different media outlets. The statement was that they were "just a few ticks" below the 12.5 PSI lower limit.

But still only 11 out of 12? Considering your previous statement, about how all of the footballs should have dropped 1 PSI, is this not odd?

 

[Rogah]

The laws of physics haven't changed since the 1930s, nor has the fact that the north as well as the north east get really cold during the winter. It's really a stretch to try and at like this is something that naturally happens at every game with similar temperatures, with every set of game balls, except the Colts.

No one said it didn't happen to the Colts. But their balls started at a higher baseline. It's almost like they knew an inspection was coming. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................................

It's highly unlikely that the Wells report changes my mind, because I'm almost certain that it will come back as inconclusive. There will be facts that can not be side skirted, like the 11 footballs that were under the standard, but likely nothing linking anything to Tom Brady or Bill Bellicheck. But in the unlikely event that there is actual evidence that exonerates them as opposed to a lack of evidence, sure.

So you're assuming they are guilty and need to prove their innocence. Got'cha.

But still only 11 out of 12? Considering your previous statement, about how all of the footballs should have dropped 1 PSI, is this not odd?

I don't think you understand why are they are saying "11 of 12". They aren't saying 11 of 12 were under but the 12th was fine. They are saying 11 of 12 were under and the 12th wasn't measured. It was in Indianapolis' possession because they had a 1st half interception and the ball was removed from play.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

No one said it didn't happen to the Colts. But their balls started at a higher baseline.

Maybe, would you agree that a thorough investigation would have a comparison in the drop in pressure for the Colts balls from start to finish?

So you're assuming they are guilty and need to prove their innocence. Got'cha.

Court of public opinion is not the same as a court of law, so yes. If the report basically says we found nothing that confirms their guilt or innocence, then most fans would likely fee the same

I don't think you understand why are they are saying "11 of 12". They aren't saying 11 of 12 were under but the 12th was fine. They are saying 11 of 12 were under and the 12th wasn't measured. It was in Indianapolis' possession because they had a 1st half interception and the ball was removed from play.

But the ball didn't disappear from existence, why would they not measure it? Considering that the "12th" ball is the one that sparked the controversy, wouldn't it make sense to measure it, then demand to measure the other ball?

 

[Rogah]

Maybe, would you agree that a thorough investigation would have a comparison in the drop in pressure for the Colts balls from start to finish?

There's a tiny problem with that, though. Several reports (and again this is all unofficial but hear me out) have stated that the pregame inspection conducted by the referee is simply pass-fail. He doesn't write the pregame measurements, he simply passes or fails each ball.

And you want to hear something even crazier? If a ball is out of the legal range of 12.5 to 13.5 PSI, the referee simply makes a quick adjustment right there on the spot. He doesn't alert the media. He doesn't call the FBI. He doesn't turn this in to national headlines.

Court of public opinion is not the same as a court of law, so yes. If the report basically says we found nothing that confirms their guilt or innocence, then most fans would likely fee the same

Well, we're not in a court of law. There are people claiming that this Super Bowl Championship for the Patriots will always be seen as "tainted" by NFL fans, which is pretty much discussing the court of public opinion. I have no doubt the solid majority of public opinion will go along with the Wells Report. You will always have hold outs on both sides but I think the significant majority of people will go along with what Wells says.

But the ball didn't disappear from existence, why would they not measure it? Considering that the "12th" ball is the one that sparked the controversy, wouldn't it make sense to measure it, then demand to measure the other ball?

Because at halftime, the referee wasn't even remotely considering this whole thing as being a story that would soon generate national headlines. He simply took the balls the Patriots had, measured them, found out they were low, and filled them up. (Again, without recording any measurements)

Besides, that 12th ball is considered tainted evidence. If Dan Snyder was accusing the Cowboys of tampering with footballs, would you be comfortable with him submitting as evidence a ball that his team possessed for about an hour?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Well, we're not in a court of law. There are people claiming that this Super Bowl Championship for the Patriots will always be seen as "tainted" by NFL fans, which is pretty much discussing the court of public opinion.

meh, I rooted for NE to win the super bowl because I don't like Seattle and I doubt at the end of the day any NE player cares. Doesn't mean I don't think that Bellicheck will take advantage of a loosely enforced rule or that this mentality has trickled down to some of his players like Brady.