Great job letting Larry Allen go

[zeromaster]

I'd rather have the strongest man in football history with a bad set of knees over the weakest interior lineman I've ever seen.

And I bet you'd be complaining about some signing we wouldn't have been able to make because we'd still be paying Allen a salary based on what he used to be. According to NFL.com, he's played a grand total of 9 games in 2006. Does that sound like a mainstay of the OL? Is that how you want to spend your money?

Losses (ie., $$$) have to be cut somewhere. I agree the OL should be better than it is, but it took a couple of seasons for BP to get LA to attempt to regain past form. It was a losing battle. And besides, Larry's within easy reach of Sonoma. He's happier now that Bill isn't giving him the evil eye.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Heavy - do a little MATH
LA missed 4 games and allowed 5 sacks in 10 games
Kosier played all 14 games and allowed 6.5 sacks.
Do I have to spell it out for you?

That's fair enough, but it still doesnt change the fac that Allen is the biggest reason why the Niners O-Line went from pitiful to producing a 1,500 yard back

And for that, I'm willing to give up an extra .1 sacks per game

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'd liken Allen's selection to the Pro Bowl as a spare donut (tire) on a car; it works when you can't find anything else.

Translation: He still beat out his supposed superior replacement

 

[theogt]

No, I base my opinion on the fact that San francisco's O-Line was awful last year and they have a 1,500 yard back this year. I base my opinion on the fact that Kosier has given up 1.5 more sacks than Allen. I base my opinion on the fact that Dallas' leadign rusher trails SF's by nearly 500 yards and averages over 1 yard less per carry.

Notice how the word "fact" was sprinkled throughout that post? That's why your opinion has no merit, because there are no facts backing it up. You've lost, get over it, and move on, unless you can give me some tangible proof of your viewpoint. until then, I'm finished owning you.

Wow, Allen has nearly as many sacks, despite missing four games.

By the way, San Francisco doesn't have much more total yards than Dallas despite Frank Gore being a much better back than Julius. Don't let these facts get in the way of your opinion though.

 

[Doomsday101]

Fellas, fellas, can't we all just get along?

Allen was once the supreme burrito of all o-linmen and ranks with John Hannah and Anthony Munoz among the very best ever.

However no longer is he the Joe Montana of guards, he is still servicable and his reputation has afforded him further attention because the good ol' days were so impressive and dominant.

Kosier is a solid and youthful guard, a street brawler in the words of Bill Parcells, he is cheaper and more agile than the current Larry Allen.

Kosier is not a hinderance to this team, Rivera may be on the other hand.

I agree. I like Larry and have no intent on ripping on the guy but his best days are well behind him and like it or not in this day and age of salary caps Dallas could not afford to pay out the type of cash that was due.

 

[alancdc]

Kosier actually has played solid, Larry is effective but larry is in the Pro Bowl because he's the Jerry Rice of guards and not because his season was exceptional, his reputation makes an average year go over the top, happened in 2003 for Allen as well.

AGREED!

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Translation: He still beat out his supposed superior replacement

I don't think anyone has ever argued that Kosier is, overall, superior to LA, but go with it if it works for you.

 

[1fisher]

No seriously Jerruh, excellant choice. All that piece of trash did is make his 11th Pro Bowl and we got the all-world fatarse known as Kyle Kosier.

But hey, at least we can pull a guard on that sweep play now, right?

guess you didn't see him last week..... he looked AWFUL slow... maybe it was because he pulled on just about every play....

it's all a popularity contest

 

[The30YardSlant]

I don't think anyone has ever argued that Kosier is, overall, superior to LA, but go with it if it works for you.

Were you posting at all this past offseason?

 

[conner01]

No, I base my opinion on the fact that San francisco's O-Line was awful last year and they have a 1,500 yard back this year. I base my opinion on the fact that Kosier has given up 1.5 more sacks than Allen. I base my opinion on the fact that Dallas' leadign rusher trails SF's by nearly 500 yards and averages over 1 yard less per carry.

Notice how the word "fact" was sprinkled throughout that post? That's why your opinion has no merit, because there are no facts backing it up. You've lost, get over it, and move on, unless you can give me some tangible proof of your viewpoint. until then, I'm finished owning you.

if a good guard can make you a great rushing team then minn would be a great rushing team as hutchinson is the best guard in the nfl. i tend to think that gore has had more to do with s.f. rushing game than larry has.

 

[wileedog]

That's fair enough, but it still doesnt change the fac that Allen is the biggest reason why the Niners O-Line went from pitiful to producing a 1,500 yard back

And for that, I'm willing to give up an extra .1 sacks per game

Gore still averaged 4.5 yards per carry when Larry was out for 5 games.

Frank Gore and a pathetic division are the reason the Niners have a 1500 yard back.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Were you posting at all this past offseason?

Not much. I can only take so much of this.

 

[1fisher]

Gore still averaged 4.5 yards per carry when Larry was out for 5 games.

Frank Gore and a pathetic division are the reason the Niners have a 1500 yard back.

you are exactly right....

 

[theogt]

Not much. I can only take so much of this.

No one every claimed Kosier to be superior. Most claimed that he was a much better value, however. Clearly he has been.

 

[jackrussell]

Kosier get's pushed back by linebackers. He's the reason Romo makes half his throws rolling out to the right. As much flak as Rivera gets, and least he can hold his ground against guys 100 pounds lighter

Or the fact Romo is right handed.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

No seriously Jerruh, excellant choice. All that piece of trash did is make his 11th Pro Bowl and we got the all-world fatarse known as Kyle Kosier.

But hey, at least we can pull a guard on that sweep play now, right?

I nominate this as the funniest thread of the week. (And it's only Tuesday)

We are going to the Playoffs for the first time in 3 years with a REAL shot at going to the Super Bowl.

The 49ers are going home for the playoffs with a real shot at WATCHING us in the Super Bowl.

I agree with ya. Thanks Jerry!

 

[DallasInDC]

Yeah, I really don't think he made the Pro Bowl...which makes the theme of this thread rather interesting.

the funny thing is that if you look at the NFC pro bowl roster at NFL.com it lists Larry allen as a pro bowl reserve for Dallas :laugh2: :laugh2:

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/nfc_roster

NFC PRO BOWL ROSTER
OFFENSE (21) STARTERS RESERVES
Wide receivers (4) Torry Holt, STL
Steve Smith, CAR Donald Driver, GB
Anquan Boldin, ARI
Tackles (3) Walter Jones, SEA
Jammal Brown, NO* Chris Samuels, WAS
Guards (3) Shawn Andrews, PHI*
Steve Hutchinson, SEA Larry Allen, DAL
Centers (2) Olin Kreutz, CHI Matt Birk, MIN
Tight ends (2) Alge Crumpler, ATL Jeremy Shockey, NYG
Quarterbacks (3) Drew Brees, NO Marc Bulger, STL
Tony Romo, DAL*
Running backs (3) Frank Gore, SF* Tiki Barber, NYG
Steven Jackson, STL*
Fullback (1) Mack Strong, SEA

 

[CarlAllDay]

guys i dont hate kosier but to allen's credit how much success this year did we have this year running tosses and sweeps, and screen passes?

to supposedly get kosier because he's athletic is bogus because we barely run outside and rarely throw the screen pass.

I really think larry allen could've been better this year definately over rivera, who is the same age maybe a year older.

we dont have strength to beat teams with those big 300+ pounders which is whats gonna kill us if we even made it to a superbowl to face a san diego, or baltimore.

our guards are weak inside and cant hold up at the point of attack.

majority of the pressure comes from inside and thats why romo has to rollout

I dont know if allen would have saved these problems, but he sure as hell couldn't be worse then the 2 guards we have fellas.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Gore still averaged 4.5 yards per carry when Larry was out for 5 games.

Frank Gore and a pathetic division are the reason the Niners have a 1500 yard back.

And Gore has averaged over 6 yards per carry in the games LA has played

 

[1fisher]

guys i dont hate kosier but to allen's credit how much success this year did we have this year running tosses and sweeps, and screen passes?

to supposedly get kosier because he's athletic is bogus because we barely run outside and rarely throw the screen pass.

I really think larry allen could've been better this year definately over rivera, who is the same age maybe a year older.

we dont have strength to beat teams with those big 300+ pounders which is whats gonna kill us if we even made it to a superbowl to face a san diego, or baltimore.

our guards are weak inside and cant hold up at the point of attack.

majority of the pressure comes from inside and thats why romo has to rollout

I dont know if allen would have saved these problems, but he sure as hell couldn't be worse then the 2 guards we have fellas.

I think MB did well in the 4th quarter against the two lard butts for the Falcons (Grady Jackson and I can't remember the other).... we should be fine