Gun Guru's, need advice...

[YosemiteSam]

Actually, the odds of a gun fight decrease quite a bit if the home owner has a security system and has it armed during the evening.

A lot of problem is that people typically don't activate their alarm system until they are ready to go to bed.

There is numerous data out there that shows that criminals will tend to avoid houses with a Security System. However, if somehow they ignore your Security sign, as soon as they break into your home and the alarm goes off, they are going to leave in all likelihood.

In my house, my Security System serves as the first defense but if the criminal is stupid enough to stay on my property, maybe to get hold me at gun point and disable the system and tell the Security Company it was a false alarm, then that is what my Mossberg 500 Persuader is for, to Persuade!!!

Thats what I was noting earlier. There are much safer ways to avoid such things happening than owning a gun. An active security system being one.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think some people are getting the term "Burglary" and "Home Invasion" mixed up.

Quite a bit of Law Enforcement stats will tell you that Burglaries typically occur during the day and the primary motive of the criminal is to avoid a confrontation and relieve the victim of their valuables.

Quite a bit of Law Enforcement stats will tell you that most Home Invasions occur between 6 PM to 6 AM and the primary motive of the criminal is to ensure that the victim is home for the purpose of rape, murder, theft and to get the victim's ATM pin numbers, which was the case with the Doctor and his family up in Connecticut last year.

People who buy guns for Self Defense are doing so to protect themselves against "Home Invasions", not Burglaries.



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Exactly. If no one is home and some person breaks in well I have home owners insurance. If I'm home and someone breaks in I know my safety is at a big risk.

 

[kapolani]

Since it's all men getting guns here, how many of those are men being rapped? :laugh2:

There's a little thing called marriage.

In these marriages there is a husband and wife. Husbands and wives also have what we humans call offspring.

 

[kapolani]

An active security system being one.

Will not stop someone determined to enter a home.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thats what I was noting earlier. There are much safer ways to avoid such things happening than owning a gun. An active security system being one.

They can be great but it is not going to stop anyone. For those who choose not to own a gun well that is a choice they make. I feel alot safer at night knowing I have the means to protect myself.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Since it's all men getting guns here, how many of those are men being rapped? :laugh2:

The wife and daughters of the men who didn't get guns?

Thats what I was noting earlier. There are much safer ways to avoid such things happening than owning a gun. An active security system being one.

True, but some criminals will call your bluff. In quite a few instances, the victim knows the perpetrator of a Home Invasion. The perpetrator may have been someone that was a contractor that did work on your property and knows that you don't have a Security System or that it isn't active. Earlier last month in Plano, which is the city next to where I live, a woman was shot to death by her estranged husband, with her daughter inside the home. So in some instances, the perpetrator knows your home as well as you do. If they know you don't have a security system but know you have a gun, I bet they are going to think twice about invading your home.

I had never owned or shot a gun before, so I did a ton of research on the subject of Home Invasion.

Every man/woman is free to make their own decision in their home, in mine, I felt a Shotgun was part of an overall solution to keep myself safe because a home invasion could happen to anybody.

 

[Doomsday101]

The wife and daughters of the men who didn't get guns?



True, but some criminals will call your bluff. In quite a few instances, the victim knows the perpetrator of a Home Invasion. The perpetrator may have been someone that was a contractor that did work on your property and knows that you don't have a Security System or that it isn't active. Earlier last month in Plano, which is the city next to where I live, a woman was shot to death by her estranged husband, with her daughter inside the home. So in some instances, the perpetrator knows your home as well as you do. If they know you don't have a security system but know you have a gun, I bet they are going to think twice about invading your home.

I had never owned or shot a gun before, so I did a ton of research on the subject of Home Invasion.

Every man/woman is free to make their own decision in their home, in mine, I felt a Shotgun was part of an overall solution to keep myself safe because a home invasion could happen to anybody.

True there are some real sick people out there and they don't always need a motive to do some of the things they do. I don't want to be at the mercy of one of these people because they will show none.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Heck, the guy in this video probably had a Security System (I don't see any signs) and freakin security cameras and the perpetrators still invaded his home.

This guy would be a dead man if he didn't have a gun in his home.

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[CF74]

12 gauge shotgun with buck shot for up close and personal home defense. Just point in the general direction and squeeze, you can't miss with a scatter brian gun...

 

[Doomsday101]

Heck, the guy in this video probably had a Security System (I don't see any signs) and freakin security cameras and the perpetrators still invaded his home.

This guy would be a dead man if he didn't have a gun in his home.

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True. Fact is I stopped being shocked by what people do a long time ago.

 

[Hostile]

What I'm saying is in most robberies, the robber doesn't want a violent exchange. They want to rob the house and leave. They usually pick houses where nobody is home. If they do happen to break into your house and you start shooting at them, they are likely to shoot back.

Let them. I guarantee you I will not miss. They typically do. Did you know that studies have shown that perps with guns hit about 1 out of 10 shots, but that trained officers hit 4 out of 5? The fact of the matter is, someone who uses a gun properly will get trained. He/she will respect the gun. They will know how to use it. Those people having guns should never be an issue to anyone. Robbers and hoodlums typically do not get proper training, do not know how use them, don't go to shooting ranges to learn. The gun is nothing but a violent tool to them.

If someone comes into my home they are in dire danger. If they have a gun, they are dead. If I die too, so be it. My wife and daughters will still be alive to call 911. To me this is no different than a soldier throwing himself on a grenade for his buddies. You don't think twice about it.

The only people I've ever met that can "honestly" say that are those that have been in multiple fire fights. Growing up in a relatively violent area, I've known two people who where actively in more than two exchanges of that type. The others that I know were friends of my father who were in Vietnam or guys I know who held duty in some gulf conflict. (Iraq or Afghanistan)

Let me introduce myself to you then. I'm Mike. I have never been in a fire fight of any kind. I have been around guns all my life. I grew up on a ranch where we had to use guns to protect the livestock or the crops. I have been properly trained in how to use and handle guns and I am a licensed gun owner. Is every gun I own registered? No. I have some that are not. Simply put, I do not trust gun laws.

If my home, wife, and children are threatened. I will not hesitate. I have pulled my gun on another human being one time. I was glad I did not have to use it. There was a man attacking a woman in the street by my house. I took my Colt .45 automatic. When I got out there 4 drunk college guys had already come to the woman's rescue. I put the gun away and called 911. Had they not been there that man had 2 choices. I would not have hesitated and she was a stranger.

I guarantee you that a situation like Va Tech would have brought me to action against the shooter. He may get me. I will get him.

I guarantee you, I am not unique. I know dozens of people who fit this same category of thinking. That is just guys or girls I know. There are thousands of us out there, in every municipality.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Guys, I'm not against people owning guns. I just believe 80% of hand gun owners, have no business owning one in the first place. Most for the sheer fact that they are uneducated about them, or their *true* intention in owning is misplaced.

Education is of the utmost importance when owning and handling guns. They are not toys, or "show and tell" items. They do not making you tough or more of a man. They are the epitome of the word violence as destruction was the sole reason for their invention.

 

[Hostile]

Heck, the guy in this video probably had a Security System (I don't see any signs) and freakin security cameras and the perpetrators still invaded his home.

This guy would be a dead man if he didn't have a gun in his home.

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That happened in Tucson and he had a very elaborate security system. Not just the cameras. Many people immediately speculated that was over drugs. It was not. He was allegedly in his garage working on his car. They had been driving by, recognized some wealth was there and an open garage door. They did not expect him to not only have a gun, but know how to use it. 5 of them had guns. They did not hit the owner nor anyone else. He got one of them in the arm and hit the car with a couple of shots.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Let them. I guarantee you I will not miss. They typically do. Did you know that studies have shown that perps with guns hit about 1 out of 10 shots, but that trained officers hit 4 out of 5?

Disclaimer: This might sound bad to some.

Anyway, my dad went on a survivor-type trip a few years back. And the guide/teacher, whatever he was called, told my Dad that he wished he could teach gang bangers how to shoot so that at least they would shoot the people they were targeting instead of innocent bystanders. In the meantime, they could off themselves in the process.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Let them. I guarantee you I will not miss. They typically do. Did you know that studies have shown that perps with guns hit about 1 out of 10 shots, but that trained officers hit 4 out of 5? The fact of the matter is, someone who uses a gun properly will get trained. He/she will respect the gun. They will know how to use it. Those people having guns should never be an issue to anyone. Robbers and hoodlums typically do not get proper training, do not know how use them, don't go to shooting ranges to learn. The gun is nothing but a violent tool to them.

If someone comes into my home they are in dire danger. If they have a gun, they are dead. If I die too, so be it. My wife and daughters will still be alive to call 911. To me this is no different than a soldier throwing himself on a grenade for his buddies. You don't think twice about it.

Let me introduce myself to you then. I'm Mike. I have never been in a fire fight of any kind. I have been around guns all my life. I grew up on a ranch where we had to use guns to protect the livestock or the crops. I have been properly trained in how to use and handle guns and I am a licensed gun owner. Is every gun I own registered? No. I have some that are not. Simply put, I do not trust gun laws.

If my home, wife, and children are threatened. I will not hesitate. I have pulled my gun on another human being one time. I was glad I did not have to use it. There was a man attacking a woman in the street by my house. I took my Colt .45 automatic. When I got out there 4 drunk college guys had already come to the woman's rescue. I put the gun away and called 911. Had they not been there that man had 2 choices. I would not have hesitated and she was a stranger.

I guarantee you that a situation like Va Tech would have brought me to action against the shooter. He may get me. I will get him.

I guarantee you, I am not unique. I know dozens of people who fit this same category of thinking. That is just guys or girls I know. There are thousands of us out there, in every municipality.

You are well educated in firearms and I believe your reasons for gun ownership are not misplaced. You I'm sure are part of the 20% of gun owners that I have no issue with.

 

[Hostile]

Guys, I'm not against people owning guns. I just believe 80% of hand gun owners, have no business owning one in the first place. Most for the sheer fact that they are uneducated about them, or their *true* intention in owning is misplaced.

Education is of the utmost importance when owning and handling guns. They are not toys, or "show and tell" items. They do not making you tough or more of a man. They are the epitome of the word violence as destruction was the sole reason for their invention.

The only people who should not own guns are criminals. I have no issue with anyone else owning one. Even if they are not as careful about it as I am. I wish they were, but that is a dream, and life is not a dream.

That is not the sole reason for the gun. Guns are not dangerous, the mind behind the hand holding one might be.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Guys, I'm not against people owning guns. I just believe 80% of hand gun owners, have no business owning one in the first place. Most for the sheer fact that they are uneducated about them, or their *true* intention in owning is misplaced.

Education is of the utmost importance when owning and handling guns. They are not toys, or "show and tell" items. They do not making you tough or more of a man. They are the epitome of the word violence as destruction was the sole reason for their invention.

I'm not sure about the stat that "80% of people shouldn't own a gun" because I have not researched it, but I do agree with your point about getting properly trained on how to use a fire arm before using it.

When I bought my Mossberg 500, I didn't even take it out of the box until I met the fire arms expert at the Gun Range and he we taught me everything from the type of bullets one can use all the way to cleaning the fire arm after use.

 

[Hostile]

Disclaimer: This might sound bad to some.

Anyway, my dad went on a survivor-type trip a few years back. And the guide/teacher, whatever he was called, told my Dad that he wished he could teach gang bangers how to shoot so that at least they would shoot the people they were targeting instead of innocent bystanders. In the meantime, they could off themselves in the process.

I heard a Tucson Police Officer say this exact same thing. Almost word for word.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And for the record, I am still on the fence on "Concealed Handguns". I fully the support the right to have a gun on your property, but I am not sure about having it on your person, whether concealed or not.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm not sure about the stat that "80% of people shouldn't own a gun" because I have not researched it, but I do agree with your point about getting properly trained on how to use a fire arm before using it.

When I bought my Mossberg 500, I didn't even take it out of the box until I met the fire arms expert at the Gun Range and he we taught me everything from the type of bullets one can use all the way to cleaning the fire arm after use.

The 80% remark is my opinion. Not a fact of any sort as it's subjective.