Handling of Randy Gregory Looks Bad on NFL, NFLPA

[sbark]

“I just think experience is experience. Some guys have some experience; some guys don't,” coach Jason Garrett said. “My experience in life is you use your experiences to help you with new experiences. For rookies in particular, every experience they have up until this point is the first time they have done it. It was their first rookie minicamp. It was their first OTA. It was their first minicamp. It was their first training camp. On and on and on.

“What you try to do is encourage them to use their experiences up to this point in life. In Zeke's case, playing at Ohio State. In Dak's case, playing at Mississippi State. And use them in your experiences you are about to embark on. I encourage everybody to do that. We all have to do that in life. Some guys are experienced [in] the playoffs. They will use those experiences. Those who aren't will use different experiences.”

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017...layoffs-dak-prescott-jason-garret-jerry-jones

I feel that the team still feels that Gregory's experiences haven't caught up with where he needs to be...and are at least supporting his continued progression and possibly a NFL career.

Good judgement comes from experience, and alot of experience comes from bad judgement.

 

[CowboyStar88]

All I've seen you do is whine about Bell.......who cares.......he got 2 game and 3 game suspensions for 1 arrest with a tiny amount of weed and a couple missed tests... that doesn't seem light to me

Gregory failed or missed at least 6 tests in 2 years.........it is on him
Just like Josh Gordon and Johnny Football

Orlando Scandrick had his suspension vacated...... does that mean the NFL favors DAL?

Really? Because it's ******** BK that's why and you know it. He got arrested doesn't matter for how much weed he had on him. He still had it. But for whatever the reason you keep defending it. I don't see why? Come on man I just thanked for you the info and you gotta go that low? Right on hope you feel better.

 

[CowboyStar88]

You are following the text book. Attack the person personally that presented you with facts. Excellent.

Yep like calling him a whimper after thanking him for info lol. Yea dude cool stuff huh

 

[tyke1doe]

Except there isn't anything to "pass on" with Marijuana. Which is why anyone who's ever used it thinks it's ridiculous. Rehab maybe, but those are people that would have find anything to abuse.

I don't understand what you mean by "pass on."
Second, what do you mean anyone who's ever used it thinks it's ridiculous?
Third, do you know how much rehab costs in this nation and the amount of government funding (taxpayer dollars) go into rehabilitation services?
Fourth, so you're saying that the people who are in rehab would find anything to abuse. Yet, they are abusing marijuana. Sounds like a convenient argument to me.
Fifth, it's always interesting to me that people on the Internet NEVER experience the negative consequences of actions. I've never met a person on the Internet for whom marijuana was a gateway drug. I've never met a person on the Internet who was unproductive because of marijuana. Everyone on the Internet bucks the trend of what generally happens in real life.

There will never be a time, except maybe in a millenia when booster shots are given to children to eliminate the basic instincts of human psyche and the psychological issues and abuse, where there are not reasons why people seek substances. It's not going to happen. So, once you ascertain a level of common sense about it, as they did with alcohol (which is a far more societal danger than Marijuana), efforts should be concentrated intelligently.

Your argument is tangential, meaning I'm not arguing decriminalization vs. criminalization. I'm speaking consequences vs. consequences. And my point is regardless whether it's illegal or legal, consequences associated with the use of drugs (marijuana in this case) WILL occur. It's up to society to determine whether to experience those consequences via legalization or criminalization.

Alcohol is a far more dangerous drug than Marijuana. Look at Colorado. Recreational marijuana is fine. Alcohol causes complete impaired-ness, you can't even compare the two as far as societal impact on legalization.

First, never said alcohol wasn't more dangerous.
Again, you're arguing a point I'm not. I'm arguing consequences. Every action has a consequence. And the legalization and recreational use of marijuana WILL have an impact on society.

Instead, we're giving kids criminal records, locking people up, and giving yet another reason for stupid people to cast judgment and justify their self righteous indignation, for a substance that is less harmful to your body THAN SUGAR. Tax breaks to companies causing an obesity epidemic with high fructose corn syrup mass produced celebrated brands.

Again, a point I'm not arguing.
Second, I'm open to alternative to prison sentences, for the record.
Third, do you have a study you can cite about pot being less harmful than sugar? Thanks in advance.

Plenty of people cope different ways, if the worst a guy does is grow a small plant in his house and use it, by all means that's no one's damn business but his own. Hell, with the way people are treated now by the medical and pharmaceutical industry, getting them hook on opiates and cutting them off and labeling them "addicts", passing out dangerous barbiturates like candy, SSRI being the first thing a doc puts you on when you have anxiety/depression.

If you grow it in your home, then keep it in your home. Unfortunately, that's really never the case. People venture beyond their homes (their bedrooms if you will), and that's where the problem begins for society.

Marijuana should be encouraged as an alternative. It's far less dangerous than what any pharmaceutical company will gladly hand you in an appointment, and has been effective as evidenced by the vast community using it, as an alternative for pain management, anxiety, depression, and various other unfortunate diseases.

Medicinal use is different than recreational use. Pain management is different than the dangerous associated with a mind-altering drug for common use.

Not to mention, as a businessman, it's a sad sack when I see all these tax dollars going to waste arresting kids with a damn dime bag of weed, when states could be creating hundreds of thousands of jobs. The war against Marijuana is the biggest waste of tax dollars I've ever seen, absolutely ridiculous. Might as well arrest all the stupid parents that feed their fatass kids McDonalds every day if we really want to arrest people harmful to society.

Yeah, right, because a McDonald's hamburger is going to alter your thinking and your reaction time when you're operating heavy equipment or flying a plane or driving a bus like marijuana.

 

[NEODOG]

Headlines Tuesday

"Gregory to appeal his 1 year ban......can play while appeal is processed"

Click bait all day on NFL ratings down this year.....Cowboys garner clicks like Kim K on TMZ

 

[phildadon86]

Have you ever noticed how the Steelers seem to benefit from the Refs more than any team?

The refs gave them a Super Bowl win against the Seahawks.

And against the Cards as well.

 

[tyke1doe]

Damn. That made no sense

What didn't make sense? The concept of transferred consequences?

 

[Sage3030]

No, there's a reason why weed is illegal. It's because we believe in a society people are better off being sober than being drunk, buzzed, foggy-headed, etc.
Second, you really don't get rid of the problems associated with alcohol or drugs. You merely transfer them.
And we see this with alcohol. Okay, maybe you got rid of incarcerating bootleggers, shot house operators and crimes associated with the black market. But those didn't disappear. They were merely transferred. So instead of shoot outs between rival groups you get people being killed by drunk drivers. Instead of incarceration in prison for running a bootleg operation, you get those who have to check into rehab facilities because of their problems with alcohol. And on and on and on.
And guess what? It will be the same with the legalization of marijuana. Problems and negative consequences associated with drug use (whether cocaine or marijuana) will merely be transferred. You'll still have the same problems. They'll just be legal.

I'm sorry but no. Racism is the reason marijuana is illegal. That's it. That's why it was made illegal. Safety had nothing to do with it.

 

[gmoney112]

I don't understand what you mean by "pass on."
Second, what do you mean anyone who's ever used it thinks it's ridiculous?
Third, do you know how much rehab costs in this nation and the amount of government funding (taxpayer dollars) go into rehabilitation services?
Fourth, so you're saying that the people who are in rehab would find anything to abuse. Yet, they are abusing marijuana. Sounds like a convenient argument to me.
Fifth, it's always interesting to me that people on the Internet NEVER experience the negative consequences of actions. I've never met a person on the Internet for whom marijuana was a gateway drug. I've never met a person on the Internet who was unproductive because of marijuana. Everyone on the Internet bucks the trend of what generally happens in real life.



Your argument is tangential, meaning I'm not arguing decriminalization vs. criminalization. I'm speaking consequences vs. consequences. And my point is regardless whether it's illegal or legal, consequences associated with the use of drugs (marijuana in this case) WILL occur. It's up to society to determine whether to experience those consequences via legalization or criminalization.



First, never said alcohol wasn't more dangerous.
Again, you're arguing a point I'm not. I'm arguing consequences. Every action has a consequence. And the legalization and recreational use of marijuana WILL have an impact on society.



Again, a point I'm not arguing.
Second, I'm open to alternative to prison sentences, for the record.
Third, do you have a study you can cite about pot being less harmful than sugar? Thanks in advance.



If you grow it in your home, then keep it in your home. Unfortunately, that's really never the case. People venture beyond their homes (their bedrooms if you will), and that's where the problem begins for society.



Medicinal use is different than recreational use. Pain management is different than the dangerous associated with a mind-altering drug for common use.



Yeah, right, because a McDonald's hamburger is going to alter your thinking and your reaction time when you're operating heavy equipment or flying a plane or driving a bus like marijuana.

Well, considering the sugar dense diets of Americans leading to the increasing obesity factor and health factors along with it, I'm sure you can find some. In addition, the major "health problems" associated with marijuana involve respiratory issues, of which there is plenty of skepticism mainly because lack of samples.

Sugar is also said to be a "gateway drug" to alcohol. I've linked studies confirming that fact.

No one's flying a plane on marijuana. And anyone responsible arent doing those things on marijuana, if they were going to do it when it was "legal" (even though obviously not when operating heavy equipment), they're already doing it. That's the point.

The "cost" society is bearing is exponentially more with obesity from fast food/sugar condense products. Obesity caused care is between $150-200 billion yearly, with 2/3 of adults and 1/3 of children facing weight and more extreme obesity issues.

The cost of rehabilitation for people who smoke marijuana, if they actually do need it, when many are full functional adults will be more than offset by the cost of housing the 120,000 inmates on any given day, who are in jail for simple marijuana possession.

Also offsetting would be the fact that our tax dollars wouldn't go to cops making marijuana arrests, of which they make more than all violent crimes combined.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...olent-crimes-combined/?utm_term=.55c2d058d70c

Instead of wasting time and tax dollars on marijuana users, they can solve real issues.

As far as people that have used it thinking it's ridiculous, maybe people don't tell you they do because you put off the vibe you're going to be completely uncool about it? I know many successful, very successful people, that do it anywhere from rarely to habitually.

The truth is, there are a lot of dumb people. The fact that they smoke marijuana doesn't make them any less dumb. There are also plenty of dumb people that don't smoke marijuana. If you're an intelligent and reasonable person, marijuana isn't going to suddenly make you not.

Anyone who wants to get marijuana can already get it. It's everywhere. This crazy marijuana use increase isn't going to suddenly happen, it's saturated by people who do it anyway. The question is, if we're actually going to be logical about it and stop wasting so much damn money on pursuing a completely unreasonable objective for a substance that's not even that harmful to begin with and in many cases could actually be a valid treatment.

 

[CCBoy]

Enough of the ego driven attacks...stick to real topic:

It was a move that was expected, but not one that Jones and the Cowboys agree with. Nor does it appear to be one they will live with, though Jones would not go into detail on how they will fight to get Gregory back on the field.

"All I will say is it was not a surprise in terms of them dismissing his arguments at the hearing," Jones said. "Right now, I’m not at liberty to talk about what we’ll do regarding specifically the ruling by the mediator and the league. Stay tuned there."

Jones hinted at possible changes in how the league handles marijuana, relative to the many states which have legalized and decriminalized it.

However, he declined to be specific because he didn’t want to negatively influence the case.

But Jones made it clear that "the case is very much active and the resolution of it has a lot of different possibilities" that has him hopeful of Gregory getting back on the field at some point.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article125108894.html

 

[Cowboys22]

Headlines Tuesday

"Gregory to appeal his 1 year ban......can play while appeal is processed"

Click bait all day on NFL ratings down this year.....Cowboys garner clicks like Kim K on TMZ

He already appealed and lost. The headline would have to be "Gregory sues NFL, seeks injunction and reinstatement for playoffs".

 

[gmoney112]

Enough of the ego driven attacks...stick to real topic:

It was a move that was expected, but not one that Jones and the Cowboys agree with. Nor does it appear to be one they will live with, though Jones would not go into detail on how they will fight to get Gregory back on the field.

"All I will say is it was not a surprise in terms of them dismissing his arguments at the hearing," Jones said. "Right now, I’m not at liberty to talk about what we’ll do regarding specifically the ruling by the mediator and the league. Stay tuned there."

Jones hinted at possible changes in how the league handles marijuana, relative to the many states which have legalized and decriminalized it.

However, he declined to be specific because he didn’t want to negatively influence the case.

But Jones made it clear that "the case is very much active and the resolution of it has a lot of different possibilities" that has him hopeful of Gregory getting back on the field at some point.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/nfl/dallas-cowboys/article125108894.html

Part of it might be the whole banishment thing. If a team wants to keep the player under contract, who's to say a player can't come work out with their trainer, that they're also paying for?

I think their counter will argue that it's simply good faith to help him. A CBA stipulation that should be struck if the paying team is willing to do their civic duty to the player.

 

[CCBoy]

Part of it might be the whole banishment thing. If a team wants to keep the player under contract, who's to say a player can't come work out with their trainer, that they're also paying for?

I think their counter will argue that it's simply good faith to help him. A CBA stipulation that should be struck if the paying team is willing to do their civic duty to the player.

For sure, this fan will listen to both a workable and doable solution.

 

[tyke1doe]

I'm sorry but no. Racism is the reason marijuana is illegal. That's it. That's why it was made illegal. Safety had nothing to do with it.

Facts, please? Any historical citations?

Second, I work in a manufacturing industry. We have policies against drug use, including marijuana, because of the impairment associated with the use of drugs.
Drugs have been illegal in society in general because of their ability to impair and impede judgment and because of the impact they have on one's health. And even in the case of prescription drugs, those deem harmful cannot be obtained legally over the counter. We have regulatory agencies and procedures that make it difficult for the general public to obtain these drugs.

I understand those who advocate the legalization or decriminalization of drugs want to make it an issue of self-righteousness, the pharmaceutical companies, racism, idiocy, etc. But the bottom line is ... unlike McDonald hamburgers or tobacco, drugs have a mind-altering effect on their users, and many in our society have determined it's not in the best interest of general society to have our citizens engaging in practices that leave them in a compromised mental state, a state that could negatively impact others in society.

And to my observation in a previous post, we can legalize drugs if that's what society wants (which I believe will occur), but what will happen is that the consequences will merely shift and be absorbed within the framework of a society that finds marijuana use legally acceptable. You can't avoid the inherent consequences of a thing.

 

[Nightman]

For sure, this fan will listen to both a workable and doable solution.

They had that right the first 5 times they failed a test...... it isn't until they fail multiple times that they are excluded from the team....... a player has to try really hard to get banished

The NFL Drug Policy is very lenient but they have no problem making examples of the players that do get caught

 

[CCBoy]

Part of it might be the whole banishment thing. If a team wants to keep the player under contract, who's to say a player can't come work out with their trainer, that they're also paying for?

I think their counter will argue that it's simply good faith to help him. A CBA stipulation that should be struck if the paying team is willing to do their civic duty to the player.

The league is interfering with an employer's right to employ who they wish. All the league can do, is to state who can go onto the carpet and play...the Player's Association should be behind a court action.

 

[_sturt_]

Interesting, and perhaps relevant...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/07/lane-johnson-sues-nfl-nflpa/

Of course, we don't know the particulars of Randy's situation since neither he nor Jerry nor NFL seems to be even letting it leak out... but let's see if this puts some wind in Randy's sails to follow suit (pun intended).

 

[Bigdog]

Part of it might be the whole banishment thing. If a team wants to keep the player under contract, who's to say a player can't come work out with their trainer, that they're also paying for?

I think their counter will argue that it's simply good faith to help him. A CBA stipulation that should be struck if the paying team is willing to do their civic duty to the player.

This the issue that I have with. If the NFL won't let the team help the person by having them around the facility for the support which addicts need than the NFL is doing the player a disservice. As I have said previously, banishing him from the facility will not help him but hurt him more. I hope he can turn his life around and beat this disease.

 

[sbark]

This the issue that I have with. If the NFL won't let the team help the person by having them around the facility for the support which addicts need than the NFL is doing the player a disservice. As I have said previously, banishing him from the facility will not help him but hurt him more. I hope he can turn his life around and beat this disease.

fully agree..........instead of banishment, the NFL should go the route of matching time spent with the team in practice etc.....should be matched with some form of community service---youth groups under supervision etc.

 

[CCBoy]

This the issue that I have with. If the NFL won't let the team help the person by having them around the facility for the support which addicts need than the NFL is doing the player a disservice. As I have said previously, banishing him from the facility will not help him but hurt him more. I hope he can turn his life around and beat this disease.

That's the ethics...but the morales is squeakier:

They are denying the person's right to pursue his own direction, because of not performing a piss test. I don't care the sequence of events at all...