Has to be said on bringing back Murray

[xwalker]

For the last couple weeks all I'm hearing is how much Romo is pleading with Jerry to keep Murray, how Murray wants to stay and cares more about a super bowl than money, and how Jason Witten doesn't think Murray can be replaced.

If Romo and Witten want Murray back so much, and Murray wants to be back and thinks a super bowl is more important than money, there should be no reason why between the three of them, they can't do some team friendly super bowl oriented adjustments to their salaries and salary demands.

I'm squarely in the Adrian Peterson camp. If he is available he should become a Cowboys. That means if he is released or can be traded for a small sum.

I think glossing over Murray's fumbles, especially in a key playoff game, doesn't do justice to how hard the rest of the players played this year. I like Murray a lot, but this team is bigger than him. If he does come back it shouldn't be at a great cost. And Romo and Witten who have made more money than they can spend in a lifetime should focus more on cementing their legacies (in this man's opinion).

I'd like to see this team make a statement next year, and two players who could help make that happen by more than just their performances on the field are clearly Witten and Romo.

Just because players (or coaches) show support for player in regards to contracts issues, it does not really mean that they are desperate for that player to return. They are often just being supportive of their friend. Regardless of the outcome, it's better that they showed support for him than not.

It's like offering to help someone that you know will decline but you make the offer anyway. That person will appreciate that you offered.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think people are taking Murray's injury history too lightly after his 1st and only fill year. And let's be honest....does he play through the hand Injury if it isn't a contract year?

And while I love the idea of AP, I do have a fear of the media turning our entire training camp into a circus because we sign them.

Randle, Ryan Williams, and a 3rd round pick will work out just fine in my opinion.

So 2/3 of our rushing attack next season will be guys that didn't take a single snap this year?


Dez can forget about ever being single covered again.............aint nobody scared of that RB core.

 

[starfrombirth]

I can second that one brother.....how ever, a NFL player may have declined qualities of life after football so, i say pay them. Just don't tell my c0-worker Dale about this conversation. He had his foot run over by a forklift last week.

ouch! hope he is ok.

 

[joseephuss]

Not last time he played. The last time he had a meaningful number of snaps was in 2013. He had 279 carries for 1266 yards, another 29 catches for 171 yards.

On those 308 touches he scored 11 TDs and fumbled 5 times. 2.2 TDs per fumble.

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that after his monster 2,007 yard season in 2012 he took a huge step back in production.

Very good points.

 

[JoeKing]

We have no idea what salary Peterson is "commanding".

You are wrong...

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/adrian-peterson/

No less than 8 figures. The Cowboys won't offer close to that for any RB.

 

[Galian Beast]

You are wrong...

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/adrian-peterson/

No less than 8 figures. The Cowboys won't offer close to that for any RB.

His current contract has little bearing on a future contract...

 

[Galian Beast]

Not last time he played. The last time he had a meaningful number of snaps was in 2013. He had 279 carries for 1266 yards, another 29 catches for 171 yards.

On those 308 touches he scored 11 TDs and fumbled 5 times. 2.2 TDs per fumble.

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that after his monster 2,007 yard season in 2012 he took a huge step back in production.

Yeah in a down year, he still produced about as well as Murray has through out his career. He also missed two games in the process.

He also produced great numbers on an offense that has nothing going for it. You put Murray on the Vikings in 2013 and he wouldn't do as well as he did here in 2014.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yeah in a down year, he still produced about as well as Murray has through out his career. He also missed two games in the process.

He also produced great numbers on an offense that has nothing going for it. You put Murray on the Vikings in 2013 and he wouldn't do as well as he did here in 2014.

And all that ignores he has over twice the touches of M urray, is four year4s older, fumbles at a higher rate, and has off field baggage and no cheistry with this team. He also has competed 3 seasons out of 8 playing every game and is an unknown quantity when you factor in his past use and the argument which seems to saddle Murray with you Peterson fans is we have no clue when his serve by date is.

 

[BIGDen]

Brady actually took a lot less money

He went from 16m a year to 9m a year, that is substantial

From what I understand, money was freed up for the team but Brady didn't take a hit.

 

[Galian Beast]

And all that ignores he has over twice the touches of M urray, is four year4s older, fumbles at a higher rate, and has off field baggage and no cheistry with this team. He also has competed 3 seasons out of 8 playing every game and is an unknown quantity when you factor in his past use and the argument which seems to saddle Murray with you Peterson fans is we have no clue when his serve by date is.

All that ignores the reality that Peterson is a much better running back than Murray, and that you clearly have no idea who Adrian Peterson is.

 

[xwalker]

You are wrong...

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/adrian-peterson/

No less than 8 figures. The Cowboys won't offer close to that for any RB.

That is his contract with the Vikings. It has no bearing on what he would get paid if they cut him. The 12.75M base salary is not guaranteed. They can cut him and owe him nothing.

If you were trading for him, then the contract would go with him, but we're not talking about a trade, we're talking about the Vikings cutting him because of his issues and because they would have to pay him 12.75M to play in 2015.

If you were paying attention around here you would know that I already know his contract situation with the Vikings.

 

[JDSmith]

From what I understand, money was freed up for the team but Brady didn't take a hit.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Brady actually got an extra million dollars for his trouble. And it had something to do with escrow money because of the way the guarantees were written. But in the end it freed up millions from the escrow account and Brady got an extra million for letting them do it.

 

[xwalker]

Peterson has played 89 of a possible 96 regular season games the past 6 years. That's not really injury prone.

And all that ignores he has over twice the touches of Murray, is four year4s older, fumbles at a higher rate, and has off field baggage and no cheistry with this team. He also has competed 3 seasons out of 8 playing every game and is an unknown quantity when you factor in his past use and the argument which seems to saddle Murray with you Peterson fans is we have no clue when his serve by date is.

All that ignores the reality that Peterson is a much better running back than Murray, and that you clearly have no idea who Adrian Peterson is.

 

[joseephuss]

All that ignores the reality that Peterson is a much better running back than Murray, and that you clearly have no idea who Adrian Peterson is.

Peterson was a better back. That was in his prime. He is no longer in his prime. That cannot be ignored.

 

[Galian Beast]

Peterson was a better back. That was in his prime. He is no longer in his prime. That cannot be ignored.

Compare the last two years for both players, and tell me that Peterson isn't the better back. You can't do it.

 

[JDSmith]

All that ignores the reality that Peterson is a much better running back than Murray, and that you clearly have no idea who Adrian Peterson is.

Over his career he has been a better RB than Murray. But that doesn't change the fact that after his heavy use year he didn't play all 16 games the next season and his numbers took a huge hit - which is exactly what people are afraid of happening to Murray. In Peterson's case we know the heavy load and big yardage took a toll, what we don't know is if that toll was permanent. Maybe he would have bounced back this last season, but we don't know. What we do know is that history isn't kind to RBs who carry a ton, Peterson carried a ton and it showed, and he hasn't really played since then.

So the bottom line is, any arguments used against Murray are valid for Peterson as well. Use, mileage, carries, whatever - Peterson is running with the same baggage. With Murray it's all speculation, but with Peterson it's actual - we already saw his performance fall off greatly after a monster year. The question is, will he rebound? Nobody knows, although a lot of people seem to believe they do, or pretend he never fell off in the first place. There is absolutely no guarantee that the 31 year old Peterson who'd show up to camp next season will look like the one who ran for over two thousand yards. We might be getting a 2 year older version of the guy who ran for 1,266.

 

[ghst187]

interesting, but its clear AP > Murray so if the money's the same....its a no-brainer IMO.
Secondly, if we can take Melton's money and go after Hughes or Suh and only truly add a few mil on top (after Melton's money), I let Melton walk and consider that also a no-brainer.

 

[JDSmith]

Compare the last two years for both players, and tell me that Peterson isn't the better back. You can't do it.

1266 and I think 71 - those are Peterson's totals for the last two years.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Compare the last two years for both players, and tell me that Peterson isn't the better back. You can't do it.

Neither can you. AP didn't play last season. He's now a year older. There is nothing saying he will leave the Vikes either, If he's such a super star why would they let him walk? Aren't they supposed to have an up and coming QB? Why would you not keep the best back ever to help him along?

 

[Bleu Star]

Great organizations pay their running back. Especially those marquee backs that set the tone for the offense.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/1/7959137/marshawn-lynch-seahawks-contract-extension

It is no secret we finally began to hit our stride this year when true focus was placed upon offensive creativity that was born from a strong foundation us on the run. It is also more than just a coincidence that Demarco had a banner year which saw him placed firmly at the top of the running back pool.

Great organizations keep that forward motion potential in tact. Let's see what we do.....