Has to be said on bringing back Murray

[mahoneybill]

Other teams might be looking at him as well, but did he call their owners and say that he wants to play for them? Is he from their states? Does he have homes in their states?

Adrian Peterson wants to be a Cowboy. Is it a sure thing? Obviously not, but the idea that he plays in Minnesota again next year? Just don't think it is likely. And he is obviously most likely to play here than any other team.

I would break it down like this

Chance he plays for the Vikings next year - 60 percent
Chance he plays for the Cowboys next year - 30 percent
Chance he plays for a different team - 10 percent

He could wind up as a Colt....

 

[Eskimo]

2013-2014 highlights.

He is the same guy, and has no wear and tear from 2014...

In all honesty, you can see in this highlight package he still has great short area burst (AP) but his long speed is markedly down compared to 2012 and his earlier years. He's not like Murray who really loses it around 10 yards but he definitely starts to fade around 20 yards.

I don't know what kind of performance we'll see from him in 2015 but I wouldn't pay AP more than $5M/yr and I wouldn't give him more than 2 years.

The film makes more convinced than ever that the right path is to draft a RB. They just get used up so quickly.

What I would suggest the league do to make things fair is change the pay scale for RBs to make it heavily based on incentives. They have such short careers so should be paid for their early performances.

 

[Galian Beast]

In all honesty, you can see in this highlight package he still has great short area burst (AP) but his long speed is markedly down compared to 2012 and his earlier years. He's not like Murray who really loses it around 10 yards but he definitely starts to fade around 20 yards.

I don't know what kind of performance we'll see from him in 2015 but I wouldn't pay AP more than $5M/yr and I wouldn't give him more than 2 years.

The film makes more convinced than ever that the right path is to draft a RB. They just get used up so quickly.

What I would suggest the league do to make things fair is change the pay scale for RBs to make it heavily based on incentives. They have such short careers so should be paid for their early performances.

Not sure what you watched, but in that video he uses power and speed to break plenty of 20+ runs...

 

[Eskimo]

Not sure what you watched, but in that video he uses power and speed to break plenty of 20+ runs...

I agree to those observations.

I'm just talking about the long speed he used to have to just pull away from everyone in the open field is gone. So he isn't the same homerun threat in that regard that he used to be earlier in his career.

Just go back and look at the highlights of that game when he put up 296 yards on the Chargers and tell me he is the same player.

 

[Galian Beast]

I agree to those observations.

I'm just talking about the long speed he used to have to just pull away from everyone in the open field is gone. So he isn't the same homerun threat in that regard that he used to be earlier in his career.

Just go back and look at the highlights of that game when he put up 296 yards on the Chargers and tell me he is the same player.

Didn't see anything he did in that game that he couldn't or didn't do in the 2013-2014 season.

With the right holes, I think he does what he has alway done for the most part, which is dominate. And I think this line can create those holes.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

That is what comes with paying decent QBs, which you have to do in today's NFL. The going rate for guys like Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton and Matt Ryan is up there and Romo is better than them.

Unfortunately you can't keep everyone. Every team will have some area of weakness. Both teams in this Superbowl are weak at wide receiver. If you don't sign Romo to his extension Dallas could keep Murray and Bryant, but they would probably be in bad shape at QB. Pick your poison. I'm guessing most teams would pick to have the decent QB.

I don't dispute the fact that if we wanted to keep Romo, he would have to get paid. I'm simply pointing out that what his contract meant was understood. If the team decides that Murray is not going to be a part of the team, then understand why. Don't say, after the fact that the team is wrong or they should have done this or that. It is what it is.

 

[locked&loaded]

This thread is making it easy to se who the money grubbers are...

Romo has a net worth over 45 million dollars and would still make money hand over fist if he took a pay cut. If he is begging for Murray to come back all he has to do is cut 5 million from his salary and not only does he get his guy, Murray, he allows us to pick up another free agent. Its so simpo.

Also, there is no reason to suggest Peterson has lost a step, before last year he had 10 touchdowns and 1266 yards in 14 games at 4.5 yards a carry. I live in Packer country, and they feared him. They knew he was the only way they would score on the Pack. The Vikings had freakin Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder at QB that year.

I don't know why you guys are fighting to so hard to rip the guy. He is an insane athlete and once again, there is nothing to suggest he lost a step.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Brady actually took a lot less money

He went from 16m a year to 9m a year, that is substantial

That is not correct. He moved money around but will still make the same amount.

 

[the wit 82]

why in the world would Dallas want to sign a 31 year old RB? Not saying AP cant still do it but......
Do you really think he would play for 4 mill a year? I doubt it!!!

D

 

[joseephuss]

This thread is making it easy to se who the money grubbers are...

Romo has a net worth over 45 million dollars and would still make money hand over fist if he took a pay cut. If he is begging for Murray to come back all he has to do is cut 5 million from his salary and not only does he get his guy, Murray, he allows us to pick up another free agent. Its so simpo.

Also, there is no reason to suggest Peterson has lost a step, before last year he had 10 touchdowns and 1266 yards in 14 games at 4.5 yards a carry. I live in Packer country, and they feared him. They knew he was the only way they would score on the Pack. The Vikings had freakin Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder at QB that year.

I don't know why you guys are fighting to so hard to rip the guy. He is an insane athlete and once again, there is nothing to suggest he lost a step.

Being realistic about a 30 year old running back with a lot of carries in his career is not the same as ripping him. It also isn't the same as the unrealistic claims that he will break the rushing record or break 50+ yard TD runs every game if he played in Dallas. If he comes to Dallas and produces 1266 yards and 10 TDs and only plays 14 games there are going to be a lot of people who wanted him here yelling that he is a disappointment.

 

[Galian Beast]

Being realistic about a 30 year old running back with a lot of carries in his career is not the same as ripping him. It also isn't the same as the unrealistic claims that he will break the rushing record or break 50+ yard TD runs every game if he played in Dallas. If he comes to Dallas and produces 1266 yards and 10 TDs and only plays 14 games there are going to be a lot of people who wanted him here yelling that he is a disappointment.

I think you're living in an alternate reality. One in which Adrian Peterson isn't the only thing Minnesota had going for it, and that he probably didnt have 8 or 9 in the box on every play...

 

[joseephuss]

I think you're living in an alternate reality. One in which Adrian Peterson isn't the only thing Minnesota had going for it, and that he probably didnt have 8 or 9 in the box on every play...

It may be only my reality, but I have learned to trust it. Many things that I believed would happen in the NFL have come true. I think the Peterson results will be the same. He won't be breaking records in Dallas. Can he still be useful? Yes, but I have no reason to expect him to produce 2000 yard seasons or even 1500 yard seasons for the Cowboys.

In my alternate reality Jason Witten gets elected into the Hall of Fame. In yours he does not.

 

[Danger]

I agree to those observations.

I'm just talking about the long speed he used to have to just pull away from everyone in the open field is gone. So he isn't the same homerun threat in that regard that he used to be earlier in his career.

Just go back and look at the highlights of that game when he put up 296 yards on the Chargers and tell me he is the same player.

Damn. AD was the perfect back. Speed, power and vision. Carried a team where he was the only offensive threat most of his years. Will go down as one of the best of all time.

Having said all that, you're right that he did lose a step speed wise. I don't think it's wise to sign him when he's in his thirties. Either sign Murray for 4-5 mil/yr or draft Gordon/Coleman/Gurley.

 

[locked&loaded]

It may be only my reality, but I have learned to trust it. Many things that I believed would happen in the NFL have come true. I think the Peterson results will be the same. He won't be breaking records in Dallas. Can he still be useful? Yes, but I have no reason to expect him to produce 2000 yard seasons or even 1500 yard seasons for the Cowboys.

In my alternate reality Jason Witten gets elected into the Hall of Fame. In yours he does not.

lol... at the 2nd sentence.

You are feeling around in the dark with a bandana over your eyes... BUt, You may be right, Peterson may be a shell of himself next year. But nothing up until now in his career has suggested that. If you want to be a contrarian and suggest that a guy isn't a top 5 rb in the league with no basis for that opinion,go ahead.

Anyway, who is calling for 2000 yards? Realistic fans don't expect 2000 yards, nor do they expect a 50+ yard run every game. You being hyperbolic about isn't going to change anything. either.

If Peterson averaged 4.5 yards a carry here and only had 1266 yards there would only be one problem...we didn't get him the ball enough.

Its not easy to average 4.5 yards a carry in the NFL, its even harder to do it with Matt Cassel and Christian Ponder as your qb.

I am by no means leading the charge to bring Peterson here. We have a lot of different avenues we could take. I really like Murray, I really like Peterson, I really like the Draft talent.

 

[Nightman]

That is not correct. He moved money around but will still make the same amount.

You are just focusing on his latest restructure. But the 3 year extension he signed in 2013 that covers 2015-17 was a massive pay cut. He went from 16m/yr to 8m/yr(bumped up to 9m last season).

And that ignores the fact that even at 16m Brady was leaving money on the table. A QB with his resume would easily fetch 20m+ on the open market. Why people refuse to or can't see Brady took a massive pay cut is beyond me.

Romo also left money on the table and fans asking for him to take a pay cut don't realize this. He could also get 20m+ and he settled for 16-17m depending on how you look at his extension.

 

[Eskimo]

Didn't see anything he did in that game that he couldn't or didn't do in the 2013-2014 season.

With the right holes, I think he does what he has alway done for the most part, which is dominate. And I think this line can create those holes.

I didn't say he can't be a good player but I am saying he is no longer an elite player.

He might be as good as Murray in 2015 (and Murray won't be as good this upcoming year as he was in 2014) but I think it will be rapidly downhill thereafter.

I still say draft a RB and go forward.

 

[TwoDeep3]

All that ignores the reality that Peterson is a much better running back than Murray, and that you clearly have no idea who Adrian Peterson is.

Nice jab, no cigar. I know who he is. And O can read that this is the same player that fumbles more than Murray and misses more games than Murray and has more than twice the carries.

Nothing I see suggests he is Superman.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Compare the last two years for both players, and tell me that Peterson isn't the better back. You can't do it.

I notice you cherry pick your stats and ignore fumbles and injury, and character issues.

 

[Galian Beast]

I notice you cherry pick your stats and ignore fumbles and injury, and character issues.

I notice you ignore that I looked at fumbles. I also dare you to suggest Murray is more reliable injury wise than Peterson.

Character issues? Outside of this episode, not many people have doubted his character.

 

[Redball Express]

For the last couple weeks all I'm hearing is how much Romo is pleading with Jerry to keep Murray, how Murray wants to stay and cares more about a super bowl than money, and how Jason Witten doesn't think Murray can be replaced.

If Romo and Witten want Murray back so much, and Murray wants to be back and thinks a super bowl is more important than money, there should be no reason why between the three of them, they can't do some team friendly super bowl oriented adjustments to their salaries and salary demands.

I'm squarely in the Adrian Peterson camp. If he is available he should become a Cowboys. That means if he is released or can be traded for a small sum.

I think glossing over Murray's fumbles, especially in a key playoff game, doesn't do justice to how hard the rest of the players played this year. I like Murray a lot, but this team is bigger than him. If he does come back it shouldn't be at a great cost. And Romo and Witten who have made more money than they can spend in a lifetime should focus more on cementing their legacies (in this man's opinion).

I'd like to see this team make a statement next year, and two players who could help make that happen by more than just their performances on the field are clearly Witten and Romo.

I'm on board with your overall point.

But I clearly don't want Peterson.

He not the type of player we need.

I don't care for his handling of his situation with his legal problems and his clear lack of remorse about the abuse issues with the child.

He thinks he's above it all.

No..

this team finally has established leadership that it lacked in the past.

Murray has been instrumental.

Like Witten and Romo and Scandrick and Sean Lee and Dez have been.

I think the money is available to keep Murray and Dez.

They will have to work the numbers.

Its possible Clayborne and Carr get let go if needed.

But both those guys can be replaced without a lot of cost.