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[Bizwah]

One thing that I failed to mention was that the player that Dallas had first on their board was no other than Shawn Andrews. Bill Parcells thought very highly of this kid so if you think that he is going to be a bust then you are admitting the Parcells can be wrong.

Dang!

I've been looking everywhere trying to get a look at our board.

Can I please see a copy?

In other words.....How do you know this?

I know it's been said that we wanted Andrews....but it also was said that we would move up to take Jackson or KJones. Perry was also thrown in there.

All I heard from Parcells himself was that they were high on Julius Jones. That we told him that if he was around in the second round that we would look to take him.

 

[AJM1613]

Look we don't agree on a couple things, that is all. I think that because McDougle, Burgess, Hicks, Sheppard, and Brown have played in the NFL they are more reliable than players who haven't (3 rookies and 1 2nd year player who didn't play at all last year). You think that an unproven player is an unproven player. This is what we are talking about. It has nothing to to with being a homer or not.

I don't know a lot about Pete Hunter besides his stats so I can't coment on him. That is a lot like you and Derrick Burgess/Artis Hicks. You keep on saying that just because these two players played well once...but they didn't. Burgess played in 19 games and Hicks played in 10. They played well (from what I can remember) against everyone they played against.

Burgess is a better end the Whiting, that is proven. Hicks better than Welbourn? I don't know. Andrews better than Welbourn? I don't know. One of the two better than Welbourn? Most likely. Okay?

 

[Bizwah]

When actually do you believe you will?

Maybe next year, if things pan out.

Things happen fast in this league. Your team is a McNabb injury away from tanking.

Haven't you realize what Andy Reid is is doing? He is winning while rebuilding. If you look at it, Reid is younger than your coach, our team is younger than your team, and we have more talent.

Actually, I think we're younger than you. I remember Adam saying that our current roster averages around 25.

Talent is relative.....this whole thread is predicated on it. Other than QB, our talent is relatively the same.

Can you really say that you will ever win the divison with the curent team that you have?

We very nearly did last year with a weaker team.

I think most of the league has underrated our talent. I've always thought we had more talent than we showed on the field under Campo.

I know you have an extra first round pick, two picks between 15-23 and no first round pick this past year. Let me remind you that we already have 10 draft picks next year, and we haven't yet received compinsation from the NFL for our players we lost this year. We have an extra second round pick, third round pick and fifth round pick, already! We should be looking at at least an extra 4th from the league and probably one or two 6th-7th round picks.

And your point is?

Reid is the best drafter in the league (if you want me too prove this just ask me and I will post again) so he should be able to fill the holes nicely.

I'm sure you'll tell me next that you're also the most modest person on this board.

No, Reid isn't the best drafter in the league. Ozzie Newsome wins that title hands down.

Really, right now all this "target 2005" garbage I have been hearing on this board really don't make any sense. Why would you think that you would have a better chance then, an extra draft pick that you didn't get from this year? Or is it Thomas...opps I mean Julian Jones...a draft pick, who judging from a lot of threads on this post, is the next Emmit Smith? You cannot make this assumption because clearly we are in a better position than you to win the division through 2010 (when Donovan's contract is up). But the part where you said.

Oh, gee......then why bother watching the games? You're right, there is no hope! cry, cry, cry......

Sheesh!

It's called being a fan. I love my team. If I would've listened to all the "experts" I wouldn't have watched a game last year. Most experts had us finishing DEAD LAST in the division.

Things happen in the NFL.

Disclaimer: If this post sounds like I am trying to be a troll, I am not.

No, you're not a troll. But for some reason you come to a Dallas board, ask Dallas fans what they think of our team vs your team, then act surprised when you don't see us bowing down and worshipping you.

You can come across like the pesky neighborhood kid that would always give a lame excuse as to why they lost a game.
">>.......well, it's not fair, I would've won if you wouldn't have bought Park Place and Boardwalk."

"......I only missed that shot because the wind blew"

"........I lost the race because I tripped....otherwise I would've won"

"We would've won if McNabb had been healthy....."

"Your defense isn't really the best in the league because I say it's not"

Come on........I enjoy debate. But until you learn to give credit where it's due, and drop your homeristic attitude, all your "debate" attempts will result in nothing more than peeing contests.

 

[Bizwah]

Look we don't agree on a couple things, that is all. I think that because McDougle, Burgess, Hicks, Sheppard, and Brown have played in the NFL they are more reliable than players who haven't (3 rookies and 1 2nd year player who didn't play at all last year). You think that an unproven player is an unproven player. This is what we are talking about. It has nothing to to with being a homer or not.

I don't know a lot about Pete Hunter besides his stats so I can't coment on him. That is a lot like you and Derrick Burgess/Artis Hicks. You keep on saying that just because these two players played well once...but they didn't. Burgess played in 19 games and Hicks played in 10. They played well (from what I can remember) against everyone they played against.

Burgess is a better end the Whiting, that is proven. Hicks better than Welbourn? I don't know. Andrews better than Welbourn? I don't know. One of the two better than Welbourn? Most likely. Okay?

Thank you!

I do believe we finally understand each other.

I'm not saying Hunter is our answer....far from it......but he's no worse an answer (in my opinion) than your guys due to the fact that he's green like them.

 

[AJM1613]

...By not conforming to the conventional thinking of taking the best running back available in the first round, indeed the Cowboys would have selected Arkansas offensive tackle Shawn Andrews with their 22nd pick in the NFL Draft if they had the opportunity the Eagles squashed with that trade-up and then addressed their running back needs in the second round. (Hint: Even Jerry Jones, talking about that first-round pick, made a Freudian slip, and instead of referring to one of the top two running backs, said, "Andrews.")...


...Admit it, your hearts stopped. You doused your big screen with Ultra. You thought the Cowboys had lost their minds, which would have been the same reaction had the Cowboys had the opportunity to select the second best offensive tackle in this draft with the 22nd pick instead of taking one of the two running backs projected to go in the first round as I predicted was their thinking...

Quotes from Mickey Spagnola. Here is the link. I don't know if you trust this guy or not. I will look for a more credible source. I thought I saw a quote somewhere directly from Jones about this, I will look into it.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/spagnola.cfm?id=2227E122-977A-16F1-5B5ACB032887272E

 

[AJM1613]

Thank you!

I do believe we finally understand each other.

I'm not saying Hunter is our answer....far from it......but he's no worse an answer (in my opinion) than your guys due to the fact that he's green like them.

How do you feel about Jim Johnson (our DC). Good?, bad?, great?

 

[Bizwah]

Quotes from Mickey Spagnola. Here is the link. I don't know if you trust this guy or not. I will look for a more credible source. I thought I saw a quote somewhere directly from Jones about this, I will look into it.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/spagnola.cfm?id=2227E122-977A-16F1-5B5ACB032887272E

I believe nothing on draft day......

Mickey knows nothing of what actually goes on in Big Bill's head.

I do remember Bill....and this is straight from his mouth.....say he doesn't like fat lineman.

And again, I read that we'd take Jackson, Kevin Jones....everyone thought they knew what the Cowboys would do.

No one did.

I'm not saying we didn't like Andrews......we may have....I'm saying that you don't know what Parcells was thinking.

John Clayton constantly wants to tell us what the Cowboys are going to do. He hasn't been right once.

Nick Eatman was given a sealed envelope by one of our scouts. He was told this is who they were probably going to get. Eatman was to open the envelope after the draft and see if it was right.......

The name.....Julius Jones.

 

[Bizwah]

How do you feel about Jim Johnson (our DC). Good?, bad?, great?

I feel Jim Johnson is a good DC. Not great......

He does a good job of maximizing the talents he has.

I think his blitz packages are his trademark. That's what he does well. Develop those packages.

 

[AJM1613]

I believe nothing on draft day......

Mickey knows nothing of what actually goes on in Big Bill's head.

I do remember Bill....and this is straight from his mouth.....say he doesn't like fat lineman.

And again, I read that we'd take Jackson, Kevin Jones....everyone thought they knew what the Cowboys would do.

No one did.

I'm not saying we didn't like Andrews......we may have....I'm saying that you don't know what Parcells was thinking.

John Clayton constantly wants to tell us what the Cowboys are going to do. He hasn't been right once.

Nick Eatman was given a sealed envelope by one of our scouts. He was told this is who they were probably going to get. Eatman was to open the envelope after the draft and see if it was right.......

The name.....Julius Jones.

Jones did say it though. "
(Hint: Even Jerry Jones, talking about that first-round pick, made a Freudian slip, and instead of referring to one of the top two running backs, said, "Andrews.")". Isn't that proof? He is the GM not Bill.

 

[AJM1613]

I feel Jim Johnson is a good DC. Not great......

He does a good job of maximizing the talents he has.

I think his blitz packages are his trademark. That's what he does well. Develop those packages.

Me too. I think that he is the best in the league at maximizing the talent that he has. He did it with Bobby Taylor and Brian Dawkins, both of their number's skyrocketed when he took over as DC.

 

[Bizwah]

Jones did say it though. "
(Hint: Even Jerry Jones, talking about that first-round pick, made a Freudian slip, and instead of referring to one of the top two running backs, said, "Andrews.")". Isn't that proof? He is the GM not Bill.

A Freudian slip is proof of nothing. Heck, he may have been looking at the scrolling draft deal at the bottom of his TV screen, saw the name Andrews scroll across, and accidentally said it.

But that's not my point.

The point is, many seem to "know" what Bill wanted. Most sportswriters jumped all over the fact that he called Jackson and was enamoured with him. But Bill merely said it was nothing.

Parcells is so secretive during draft time that most sportswriters will immediately jump on any tidbit of information they receiver from Valley Ranch, and run with it as "Bill Parcells Wants".........

You've merely quoted JJ....we've seen him butcher the English language more than once......he's also an Arkansas guy.

Don't read more into this than there really is.

 

[Bizwah]

Me too. I think that he is the best in the league at maximizing the talent that he has. He did it with Bobby Taylor and Brian Dawkins, both of their number's skyrocketed when he took over as DC.

This is good banter.

I like these discussions when we actually listen to each other.

Johnson is a good DC.

And I think Mike Zimmer, after a rough start, has really started to come on. He's done a lot with little talent.

He has a ways to go before he's on level with Johnson, but he's an up-and-comer.

I think he'll wind up being a head-coach soon....Zimmer that is. JJ seems to be content with being a DC.

 

[AJM1613]

This is good banter.

I like these discussions when we actually listen to each other.

Johnson is a good DC.

And I think Mike Zimmer, after a rough start, has really started to come on. He's done a lot with little talent.

He has a ways to go before he's on level with Johnson, but he's an up-and-comer.

I think he'll wind up being a head-coach soon....Zimmer that is. JJ seems to be content with being a DC.

Personally, I think that there are three great DCs in the league. Johnson, Cronell, and Kiffin, all just as good.

The point I was trying to make involved our CBs...This is the main reason why I think that they will be sucessful.

 

[Bizwah]

Personally, I think that there are three great DCs in the league. Johnson, Cronell, and Kiffin, all just as good.

The point I was trying to make involved our CBs...This is the main reason why I think that they will be sucessful.

That's a legit point.

And, it's also why I think Hunter will be fine.

Zimmer has been a good DBs coach. Even when we had Hawethorne and Edwards starting, our secondary was solid.

Those players were limited athletically, Hunter is gifted athletically. I hope Zim can work some magic here.

 

[AJM1613]

That's a legit point.

And, it's also why I think Hunter will be fine.

Zimmer has been a good DBs coach. Even when we had Hawethorne and Edwards starting, our secondary was solid.

Those players were limited athletically, Hunter is gifted athletically. I hope Zim can work some magic here.

From what you have said about Hunter he looks like he should be fine. I don't understand why you are not more concerned starting 4 players that have never played an NFL snap before.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

From what you have said about Hunter he looks like he should be fine. I don't understand why you are not more concerned starting 4 players that have never played an NFL snap before.

In those situations we still have the starter from last year on the team.

We hope to improve in those areas but atleast we can put in the starter from a playoff team instead. This is different then your situation.

 

[AJM1613]

In those situations we still have the starter from last year on the team.

We hope to improve in those areas but atleast we can put in the starter from a playoff team instead. This is different then your situation.

Most likely Larry Allen will not be on your team too much longer, besides that you are right.

This means that we are in the exact same position, we have replacements for the players that have never played in the NFL before.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Most likely Larry Allen will not be on your team too much longer, besides that you are right.

This means that we are in the exact same position, we have replacements for the players that have never played in the NFL before.

How are you in the exact same position. Our starters would still be on the team, just demoted to backup spots. Your starters are long gone.

Now why don't you revisit the question you asked of me that drew this response. If you have half a brain you will see that you were just taken to the woodshed.

 

[AJM1613]

How are you in the exact same position. Our starters would still be on the team, just demoted to backup spots. Your starters are long gone.

Now why don't you revisit the question you asked of me that drew this response. If you have half a brain you will see that you were just taken to the woodshed.

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Word out today is that Andrews will start this season at right guard. ND Kalu was starting at DE opposite of Kearse. I guy that I failed to mention at all. This guy was a starter last year so that position looks set, if one of the two younger players don't step up and take his spot (McDougle, Burgess) then we have this guy who is a solid 5-8 sack a year guy.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

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Nors, is that you?