Henson, Romo ...Bill

[Juke99]

If someone wants to believe Romo isn't very good, that's fine with me. I don't see how one can make that determination based on ZERO regular season experience, but oh well. On the flip side, what we've seen of Henson so far sure doesn't make the guy a shoe-in for Aikman/Staubach status either.

Now we've all seen PLENTY of Drew Bledsoe over the years. At least the criticism/praise for him can be based on something substantative.

Well, I think the issue here is stating things in extremes.

There is a body of work for both, be it mostly collegiate. So that does lead to some sense of who they are.

I think we can certainly question Romo's ability based on the fact that he went undrafted. That doesn't make it an open and shut case but coupled with the fact that in two seasons he has yet to throw an NFL pass, it would lead to questions about his ability. Notice I said questions not indictments.

Henson...we can question his lack of experience and what the layoff has done. I've never said he's the next Staubach...but I am intrigued with his skills.

Romo came out of his collegiate career directly into the draft and went unchosen. Henson missed three years was still the property of the Yankees and Houston gambled a 6th round on him. The Cowboys traded a 3rd for him. And most people agree that if he would have stayed at Michigan, he would have been an early first round pick.

All these facts would certainly suggest a difference in ability between Henson and Romo.

That's not a predictor of the future, see Ryan Leaf...but it's all we have to work with at the moment.

 

[Zaxor]

If someone wants to believe Romo isn't very good, that's fine with me. I don't see how one can make that determination based on ZERO regular season experience, but oh well. On the flip side, what we've seen of Henson so far sure doesn't make the guy a shoe-in for Aikman/Staubach status either.

Now we've all seen PLENTY of Drew Bledsoe over the years. At least the criticism/praise for him can be based on something substantative.

Like I said I am not trying to dog Romo...he is after all a Cowboy...and like I said earlier I really think he could be a good 3rd qb in time...that is tremendous as that would mean he is a top 100 QB as their are 32 teams with 3 qbs each...being as many qb's who were drafted never make it...It would be something and a testiment to him if he manages to make it

 

[Zaxor]

Oops very rude of me...Nors I hope you and your family have a very Happy and Safe 4th of July and 5th and 6th and etc...

 

[Waffle]

Well, I think the issue here is stating things in extremes.

There is a body of work for both, be it mostly collegiate. So that does lead to some sense of who they are.

I think we can certainly question Romo's ability based on the fact that he went undrafted. That doesn't make it an open and shut case but coupled with the fact that in two seasons he has yet to throw an NFL pass, it would lead to questions about his ability. Notice I said questions not indictments.

Henson...we can question his lack of experience and what the layoff has done. I've never said he's the next Staubach...but I am intrigued with his skills.

Romo came out of his collegiate career directly into the draft and went unchosen. Henson missed three years was still the property of the Yankees and Houston gambled a 6th round on him. The Cowboys traded a 3rd for him. And most people agree that if he would have stayed at Michigan, he would have been an early first round pick.

All these facts would certainly suggest a difference in ability between Henson and Romo.

That's not a predictor of the future, see Ryan Leaf...but it's all we have to work with at the moment.

It only leads us to a sense of who the were.

Did Tom Brady's body of work in college equal his NFL playing level? You already mentioned Ryan Leaf, but how about David Klingler, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Cade McKnown, Heath Shuler, Todd Marinovich, et al? All these First Round guys were drafted high because of what they were in college or projected to do in the NFL. But in the end, all the scouts were dead wrong about these and some other highly heralded QBs that I didn't even mention.

But they weren't just wrong about the guys drafted high. Marc Bulger was a 6th round pick just like Brady. We all know what Warner did as an UFA. Brad Johnson (ninth round) may not be a great QB, but the guy did win a SB for the Bucs.

I'll grant you that the chances are better for a drafted QB to pan out in the NFL versus an UFA QB, but the bottom line is that Henson was drafted in the sixth and we acquired him with a third. That's not earth-shattering stuff there. Just because a few pundits predicted he might have been a 1st rounder at one time doesn't make him one by default.

Me...I'm intrigued by both players' skills since I haven't seen much of them and they are both on the team. There's nothing that anyone has seen (other than the coaches in practice) that could lead one to believe Henson is superior to Romo or vice-versa. It's all just speculation at this point.

 

[Nors]

Next Jake Delehomme?

Romo was signed to a nice 2 year deal when they did NOT need to do that. Henson is into year 2 at rookie min contract.

Should be a nice battle for the backup job!

 

[Juke99]

It only leads us to a sense of who the were.

Did Tom Brady's body of work in college equal his NFL playing level? You already mentioned Ryan Leaf, but how about David Klingler, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Cade McKnown, Heath Shuler, Todd Marinovich, et al? All these First Round guys were drafted high because of what they were in college or projected to do in the NFL. But in the end, all the scouts were dead wrong about these and some other highly heralded QBs that I didn't even mention.

But they weren't just wrong about the guys drafted high. Marc Bulger was a 6th round pick just like Brady. We all know what Warner did as an UFA. Brad Johnson (ninth round) may not be a great QB, but the guy did win a SB for the Bucs.

I'll grant you that the chances are better for a drafted QB to pan out in the NFL versus an UFA QB, but the bottom line is that Henson was drafted in the sixth and we acquired him with a third. That's not earth-shattering stuff there. Just because a few pundits predicted he might have been a 1st rounder at one time doesn't make him one by default.

Me...I'm intrigued by both players' skills since I haven't seen much of them and they are both on the team. There's nothing that anyone has seen (other than the coaches in practice) that could lead one to believe Henson is superior to Romo or vice-versa. It's all just speculation at this point.

Well, all we have is what they "were"...we can't evaluate them on what they will be...because we don't know yet.

Again, as I said, I'm not annointing either or discounting either.

I've stated my preference for one over the other. Nothing more, nothing less.

And I think you've dramatically understated when you say a FEW pundits say he MIGHT have been a first round..Ya see, it's stuff like that, that IMO, undermines your claim of objectivity.

We all know darn near every "pundit" stated Henson would have been a very high first rounder if he came out.

Again, no bearing on the future...as I stated, look at Ryan Leaf.

So, in a sense you are preaching to the choir.

But I'll take my chances with Henson over Romo.

If Romo turns out to be the superior QB, cool...I'm a Cowboys fan.

 

[Juke99]

Next Jake Delehomme?

Romo was signed to a nice 2 year deal when they did NOT b=need to do that. Henson is into year 2 at rookie min contract.

Should be a nice battle for the backup job!

I might like Henson over Romo but this is right on the nose.

 

[dbair1967]

Next Jake Delehomme?

Romo was signed to a nice 2 year deal when they did NOT need to do that. Henson is into year 2 at rookie min contract.

!

did the same thing for Randall Williams....where's he now?

David

 

[dbair1967]

After one of the preseason games he called Romo a gunslinger and sometimes he wanted to kill him for what he was trying out there. Thats the only quote I can remember as bad - he does gush praise his way a lot. I'm sure half is to light a fire under Drew.

Nors, what gushing praise are you speaking of? I've never heard any for him...

you hearing this junk from the same source as the Ty Law b/s?

David

 

[Waffle]

Well, all we have is what they "were"...we can't evaluate them on what they will be...because we don't know yet.

Again, as I said, I'm not annointing either or discounting either.

I've stated my preference for one over the other. Nothing more, nothing less.

And I think you've dramatically understated when you say a FEW pundits say he MIGHT have been a first round..Ya see, it's stuff like that, that IMO, undermines your claim of objectivity.

We all know darn near every "pundit" stated Henson would have been a very high first rounder if he came out.

Again, no bearing on the future...as I stated, look at Ryan Leaf.

So, in a sense you are preaching to the choir.

But I'll take my chances with Henson over Romo.

If Romo turns out to be the superior QB, cool...I'm a Cowboys fan.

Fair enough, and I especially like your last sentence. I'm not considering you one of the extremists by any means. At least you aren't annointing Henson as "The Man" just yet while being blatently anti-Romo.

I must however try and refute your claim that I somehow undermined my own objectivity. My statement that a "few pundits" claimed Henson would have been a 1st rounder is totally accurate. I never said or meant to come across as saying a mathematical minority of the pundits had projected Henson as a First.

On the other hand, there never was universal agreement by all the scouts and the media that Henson would have been a 1st rounder either. We all know there were several of these 'experts" who actually had him ranked lower on their boards because of his lack of college experience. (I think everyone knows he only started 8 games)

 

[Tristan]

Drew Henson is 6'4" 235 lbs, has a phenominal arm, great release, is highly inteligent and confident. He played at a big time college football program, and not only put a more experienced Tom Brady on the bench a few times, but also demonstrated all world "potential" and natural leadership ability. He needs time to develope like any other young QB.
Tony Romo is short, has a smallish frame, a subpar arm, was not even considered worth a seventh round pick by us, or any other team, and has shown nothing to warrant he has anything more than "possible" back up potential. Will either be a great QB? who knows, but at least Drew Henson has the "SKILLS" of a franchise QB, and has done nothing to suggest that he won't be everything he has the potential to be, given time to develope.

 

[dbair1967]

On the other hand, there never was universal agreement by all the scouts and the media that Henson would have been a 1st rounder either. We all know there were several of these 'experts" who actually had him ranked lower on their boards because of his lack of college experience. (I think everyone knows he only started 8 games)

actually the only "on the record" comments I saw about Henson's draft status were in regards to had he stayed in school and entered the 2001 draft...Joel Buschbaum said he interviewed 10 league personnel/GM's, and 7 of the 10 said they'd have picked Henson over #1 pick Michael Vick...

I've never seen any comments that stated he would have been anything less than a high #1 pick had he not began playing baseball

David

 

[blindzebra]

Fair enough, and I especially like your last sentence. I'm not considering you one of the extremists by any means. At least you aren't annointing Henson as "The Man" just yet while being blatently anti-Romo.

I must however try and refute your claim that I somehow undermined my own objectivity. My statement that a "few pundits" claimed Henson would have been a 1st rounder is totally accurate. I never said or meant to come across as saying a mathematical minority of the pundits had projected Henson as a First.

On the other hand, there never was universal agreement by all the scouts and the media that Henson would have been a 1st rounder either. We all know there were several of these 'experts" who actually had him ranked lower on their boards because of his lack of college experience. (I think everyone knows he only started 8 games)

According to that JJT article about Dallas getting Henson, Dallas had him slotted as a late first/early second round pick in the 2004 draft. That's after being away for 3 years.

My bet is we were not alone ranking Henson that high. BUF, MIA, GB, STL, and KC would all have been interested.

 

[Waffle]

Some of these same "experts" had Aaron Rodgers going in the top ten this year just days before the draft. Others had him going #1 overall. They weren't even close.

Draft projecting is an inexact science to say the least.

 

[Nors]

actually the only "on the record" comments I saw about Henson's draft status were in regards to had he stayed in school and entered the 2001 draft...Joel Buschbaum said he interviewed 10 league personnel/GM's, and 7 of the 10 said they'd have picked Henson over #1 pick Michael Vick...

I've never seen any comments that stated he would have been anything less than a high #1 pick had he not began playing baseball

David

Thats nice speculation, fact is Henson chose baseball over football for 3 seasons.

 

[Nors]

Drew Henson is 6'4" 235 lbs, has a phenominal arm, great release, is highly inteligent and confident. He played at a big time college football program, and not only put a more experienced Tom Brady on the bench a few times, but also demonstrated all world "potential" and natural leadership ability. He needs time to develope like any other young QB.
Tony Romo is short, has a smallish frame, a subpar arm, was not even considered worth a seventh round pick by us, or any other team, and has shown nothing to warrant he has anything more than "possible" back up potential. Will either be a great QB? who knows, but at least Drew Henson has the "SKILLS" of a franchise QB, and has done nothing to suggest that he won't be everything he has the potential to be, given time to develope.

You are factually wrong all over that post. I'll give you a mulligan! 4th of July weekend and not go there.

 

[blindzebra]

Thats nice speculation, fact is Henson chose baseball over football for 3 seasons.

I wonder what would happen if Romo qualified for the Open and won it and got his PGA card? I really wonder what would happen if Nike or Titleist gave him 17 million for endorsements, if he played on the tour?

 

[Waffle]

Drew Henson is 6'4" 235 lbs, has a phenominal arm, great release, is highly inteligent and confident. He played at a big time college football program, and not only put a more experienced Tom Brady on the bench a few times, but also demonstrated all world "potential" and natural leadership ability. He needs time to develope like any other young QB.
Tony Romo is short, has a smallish frame, a subpar arm, was not even considered worth a seventh round pick by us, or any other team, and has shown nothing to warrant he has anything more than "possible" back up potential. Will either be a great QB? who knows, but at least Drew Henson has the "SKILLS" of a franchise QB, and has done nothing to suggest that he won't be everything he has the potential to be, given time to develope.

"Great release?" You mean the one he had to re-learn this off-season?

He couldn't have put Brady on the bench too often since Henson only started a total of eight games his entire college career. Yes, I agree he does need time to develop...just like Romo.

So you think Romo is short with a smallish frame? He's 6-2, 220 lbs. Henson is 6-4 and just over 230 lbs. I know that 2" difference is rather significant in NFL terms, but it's not like Romo is "Mini Me" or Hervé Villechaize by comparison out there on the field. Romo played at a Division II school and that had more to do with his failing to get drafted than anything else.

I'm not saying Romo IS this all-world QB...we just don't know. Just like we don't know if Henson has these supposed "SKILLS" you speak of.

Time will tell.

 

[CM Duck]

"I heard it suggested that if Henson can not handle the mental games from Bill that he will never make it in the NFL"

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I believe this has alot to do with this situation. If a QB trying to make it in the NFL can't take mind games from his headcoach how is he supposed to drive his team down 90+yards playing in philly with less than 2 minutes to go for the win(hypothetical situation)? Understand what I am trying to say here? If Henson (or any other QB wannabe) can't take the pressure from his coach I don't think he will be able to handle the pressure of leading an NFL team.

Or maybe he has him riding the pine because he was out of the game for about 4 years.

Or maybe he wants him to stop throwing the ball like he is still playing 3rd base(like Hutchinson use to throw like a pitcher).

Or maybe because he never wanted Henson there in the first place and it was Jerry's call to make the trade.

Or maybe Bill Parcells actually knows what he's doing!!!!

 

[dbair1967]

You are factually wrong all over that post. .

and if anyone knows about "factually wrong" it'd be you right?

David