Here's what I got from the championship games

[big dog cowboy]

Do you all think romo will get voted to the hall of fame????

Not a chance.

 

[btcutter]

What's so hard to believe? Businesses do trade-off studies all the time. NFL teams do it too or should. It is a hard cap in the NFL and limited resources. You have to allot your resources carefully and correctly. Romo and Witten count roughly $28M against the 2014 cap. Would the team be better off if we rolled with Orton and Escobar and used the $28M on roughly 5 players at $5M/yr on defense versus paying Romo and Witten. Would we have a higher likelihood of doing better than 8-8. Unfortunately, the decision was already made and we are locked into it and can't do much in the immediate one or two years due to the cap.

Romo is good but he can't carry a team like the other top QBs (Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc). But, he is being paid right along with top QBs in the NFL to do just that and has been failing miserably at it for three years now. And now he is coming off two back surgeries, three straight years of win-or-in choking, and his salary keeps going up and up. If Romo (and others) really wants to win, he needs to take a pay cut and allow the team to look for additional pieces to help. If not, we are going to get the same results or even worse.

You are thinking as a fan.

Try thinking as a player whose caeer ranges from 1-15 years and typically that learning needs to last your family a life time. I don't recall any player taking any major discounts to improve "his" team. It's the responsibility of the GM and owner to do that.

I don't think anyone on this board would take a pay cut to improve the team. Sure we can sit back and say that but when push comes to shove players want to get paid for putting their health on the line.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Why? Do you think its a conspiracy by the media , against romo and romo only???

I don't think they got a bunch guys in cheap suits in a smoke-filled room and conspired to pick on Romo, but I do think that journalists trying to create stories have perpetuated the notion that Romo is a choker. You get journalists who don't understand the game who need something to write who have deadlines. That's a bad combination. It results in superficial stories that really aren't of any more value than an average fan's comments. So, no, there hasn't been a conspiracy; there's been no FBI meetings in rooms. What there has been is poor quality journalism.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

Wait you think the Patriots play good defense? They looked as bad as us pretty much and ranked in the bottom of the league.

Denver is not that much better. Romo threw for 500yds on them and many other teams have had success on them.

The Broncos scored 26 points on the Patriots. The Broncos scored 51 points against us. No, the Patriots defense is not as bad as ours.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Once again, and this will be the last time I mention it, ... I never said anything about money, salary, contracts, bonuses. Nothing about money. So I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up to me.

And the part I could not believe was when you said, "that player can't get the job done without a lot of help from others."

Do I have to say it, .. do I have to be that obvious, .. do I have to say ... every player needs help from others?

Not just Romo.

Sure, every player needs help from others. However, although Romo is being paid top buck, he needs a lot more help than those other Qbs in his pay band. And a major reason the team does not have better players on defense is because Romo is eating a lot of the cap and NOT producing like he is being paid. Kaepernick and Wilson are producing results with little salaries and the other money can be spent on defense. Salaries are not in some vacuum. You want a Romo to have a better defense so we can get results. Fine. Only one way to do it. Pretty obvious to me, maybe not for you.

 

[Apollo Creed]

What did I get from watching yesterday's games?

That we are nowhere near competing for an NFC title. Those two teams would've absolutely destroyed us yesterday.

There is a big difference in being 'competitive'/barely making the playoffs and competing for a Super Bowl.

The bar has been lowered so far around Dallas that we all get excited about being in 'win in and your in games' at the end of every season. We are still miles away from competing for another title.

What happened to the standards we used to have, now we're just happy that the games are 'exciting' and that we're still relevant in December.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Sure, every player needs help from others. However, although Romo is being paid top buck, he needs a lot more help than those other Qbs in his pay band. And a major reason the team does not have better players on defense is because Romo is eating a lot of the cap and NOT producing like he is being paid. Kaepernick and Wilson are producing results with little salaries and the other money can be spent on defense. Salaries are not in some vacuum. You want a Romo to have a better defense so we can get results. Fine. Only one way to do it. Pretty obvious to me, maybe not for you.

LOL, .. you just can't do it, can you?

You just have to talk about the money. LOL

 

[Super_Kazuya]

And now he is coming off two back surgeries, three straight years of win-or-in choking, and his salary keeps going up and up.

Three straight years? You know most of the time I'm joking when I say that most of the "fans" in here don't even bother to watch the games, but this is ridiculous. lol

 

[WV Cowboy]

Three straight years? You know most of the time I'm joking when I say that most of the "fans" in here don't even bother to watch the games, but this is ridiculous. lol

It just fits their agenda better.

Sounds better.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

LOL, .. you just can't do it, can you?

You just have to talk about the money. LOL

Hey, here's a great idea. Let's just pretend the salary cap doesn't exist. And whatever money you pay one player has no bearing on whatever money is available to pay others. And we can then all go to La-La land and dream about how good Romo would be with a better defense. LOL.

Money is a major part of the equation. Whether you like it or not.

 

[gbrittain]

Hey, here's a great idea. Let's just pretend the salary cap doesn't exist. And whatever money you pay one player has no bearing on whatever money is available to pay others. And we can then all go to La-La land and dream about how good Romo would be with a better defense. LOL.

Money is a major part of the equation. Whether you like it or not.

Come on man. Show me all this defensive talent that Dallas has let walk because of money? It has not happened. As a matter of fact the only big splash Dallas has made in FA has been on the defense side (Brandon Carr) a CB which is part of the problem.

The problem with the defense is not letting talented players walk but the players that Dallas has chosen to put big money into on defense have not produced, stayed healthy and etc.

 

[boyzjunkie]

Denver does not have a good defense. More like pats offensive skill position players blow.

Do you mean the Pats who gave up an average of 21.1 points per game?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Come on man. Show me all this defensive talent that Dallas has let walk because of money? It has not happened. As a matter of fact the only big splash Dallas has made in FA has been on the defense side (Brandon Carr) a CB which is part of the problem.

The problem with the defense is not letting talented players walk but the players that Dallas has chosen to put big money into on defense have not produced, stayed healthy and etc.

I agree with everything you wrote. Good points. My response was to a hypothetical posed by someone else. Romo is not alone in the blame nor is he the worst on the team. Far from it. The top paid Cowboys all under-performed: Romo, Ware, Carr, Spencer, and Austin. And of those 5, Romo at least played pretty well overall, well-enough to give the team a chance. Not as well as the top QBs and not as well as he is being paid. The other 4 (Ware, Carr, Spencer, and Austin) were if not pathetic, pretty close to it especially when you factor in their pay.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Hey, here's a great idea. Let's just pretend the salary cap doesn't exist. And whatever money you pay one player has no bearing on whatever money is available to pay others. And we can then all go to La-La land and dream about how good Romo would be with a better defense. LOL.

Money is a major part of the equation. Whether you like it or not.

Two seperate topics.

I was only talking about Romo, .. the player that a lot of people on this board think sucks.

He can not do this with his arm alone.

He needs others, which is the only point I was making.

If we had a solid-to-good defense, .. and a coach or OC that was dedicated and committed to the run, .. he is good enough to do the rest.

I started in this thread by saying I am not the biggest Romo fan, .. but I try to give him credit where it is due, and blame where it is due.

I do like the kid though.

 

[daveferr33]

What did I get from watching yesterday's games?

That we are nowhere near competing for an NFC title. Those two teams would've absolutely destroyed us yesterday.

There is a big difference in being 'competitive'/barely making the playoffs and competing for a Super Bowl.

The bar has been lowered so far around Dallas that we all get excited about being in 'win in and your in games' at the end of every season. We are still miles away from competing for another title.

What happened to the standards we used to have, now we're just happy that the games are 'exciting' and that we're still relevant in December.

A lot of truth to this post.

Take, for example, the coaching tenure of Chan Gailey.

10- 6 division champs
8-8 with playofff birth

Then shown the door, presumably because Jerry believed, at that time, that we should be competing for championships, not merely playoff births.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Two seperate topics.

I was only talking about Romo, .. the player that a lot of people on this board think sucks.

He can not do this with his arm alone.

He needs others, which is the only point I was making.

If we had a solid-to-good defense, .. and a coach or OC that was dedicated and committed to the run, .. he is good enough to do the rest.

I started in this thread by saying I am not the biggest Romo fan, .. but I try to give him credit where it is due, and blame where it is due.

I do like the kid though.

Fair enough. Sounds good. Maybe I misread you. I agree with everything you wrote above.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

What did I get from watching yesterday's games?

That we are nowhere near competing for an NFC title. Those two teams would've absolutely destroyed us yesterday.

There is a big difference in being 'competitive'/barely making the playoffs and competing for a Super Bowl.

The bar has been lowered so far around Dallas that we all get excited about being in 'win in and your in games' at the end of every season. We are still miles away from competing for another title.

What happened to the standards we used to have, now we're just happy that the games are 'exciting' and that we're still relevant in December.

Yup. And because romo puts up all kinds of "stats". It's a trick. The reason were relevant is because were in a sucky division,,,,,

Any other division and those December games would mean nothing.......

It's a trick, a facade.... Romo isnt that good. And the cowboys are a horrible football team and organization

Some have claimed in this thread that myself and others "just aren't watching, and just don't understand football"


I have to ask..........what exactly have you been watching?????????

 

[Apollo Creed]

Yup. And because romo puts up all kinds of "stats". It's a trick. The reason were relevant is because were in a sucky division,,,,,

Any other division and those December games would mean nothing.......

It's a trick, a facade.... Romo isnt that good. And the cowboys are a horrible football team and organization

Some have claimed in this thread that myself and others "just aren't watching, and just don't understand football"


I have to ask..........what exactly have you been watching?????????

I agreed with most everything outside of Romo isn't that good.

Wouldn't it be a testament to exactly how talented Romo is that this team is competitive with the following

-Historically bad defense
-No running gmae
-Bottom of the barrel head coach
-Owner/GM that has made Romo's job increasingly more difficult ever since the Tuna left

Last time this team had a solid defense and a running game, we went 13-3. Since then we've been riding Romo's coat tails and wondering why the team can't get over the hump. It's the ultimate team game and a good QB can keep you competitive but it takes a good supporting cast win consecutive meaningful games in January.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I agreed with most everything outside of Romo isn't that good.

Wouldn't it be a testament to exactly how talented Romo is that this team is competitive with the following

-Historically bad defense
-No running gmae
-Bottom of the barrel head coach
-Owner/GM that has made Romo's job increasingly more difficult ever since the Tuna left

Last time this team had a solid defense and a running game, we went 13-3. Since then we've been riding Romo's coat tails and wondering why the team can't get over the hump. It's the ultimate team game and a good QB can keep you competitive but it takes a good supporting cast win consecutive meaningful games in January.

Why is this so hard for some to understand?

They can't see past their agenda against Romo to see that even though he isn't a top 5 NFL QB, .. he is far from our main problem.

 

[CowboyFan4Eva]

Why is this so hard for some to understand?

They can't see past their agenda against Romo to see that even though he isn't a top 5 NFL QB, .. he is far from our main problem.

I have no agenda......

I do think romo is a decent QB who puts on a "show" at times....

You could say the same thing for about the majority of QBs in the NFL. Strong defense and supporting cast makes a QBs life easier..... Yeah. That's sort of a given.

Romo has had his chance. But , let's face it, it's not happening....... Blame JJ blame disgruntled fans, blame the coaches, blame the media, blame rowdy........at some point you have to just stop blaming, and just do.

And for exciting as he is , and the stats he puts up, and all that , it hasn't turned into playoff wins...
And yes, HE has to take blame for it to. You say its a team game. Well, the teams he has been the leader on, have failed.......not-even-close.

And, He has had a HOF TE, and some decent WRs.....it's not like there hasn't been talent around him.

Somewhere along the line. You have to stop blaming the outside world, for your obstacles.....

I personally think its over. Next year will be even worse then this year. And I feel bad for those guys, ware, witten, romo. But it is what it is.......Not even a divisional playoff win for them;

But who knows, maybe they win the east and go deep into the playoffs next year. Maybe.