Hilarious that the Cowboys keep throwing money at the offense

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Did the OP just want to rant and ignore what we've actlaly done this offseason?

Crying about cheap investments at WR when we needed at least one guy and crying at getting a RT or a swing tackle when we needed one is silly. Ignoring the franchise tag on Dlaw and the 2nd round tender on Irving?

Also, the offseason isn't over.
 

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We already have one of the most expensive offenses in the NFL, and we're just getting more expensive while the defense continues to work with less.

Anything to attempt and make Garrett look like he has something of value to bring to the table.

The reality, however, is that unless they get rid of a current receiver, we're just seeing fewer snaps for one or all of them, making everyone less valuable. I might just skip this season...

The offense was the biggest problem in 2017.

Better performance from the Swing Tackle(s) could easily have resulted in two more wins.

They can't win consistently with the status of the WRs in 2017.

People don't seem to realize just how difficult it had to be to design/call plays for that set of receiving options.
  • Dez - Slow. Very limited route tree. Can't run option routes consistently.
  • Witten - OK if the WRs are good and fast but with a slow #1 WR it's a bad combination.
  • TWill- Not a deep ball WR but struggles when he is too close to the QB because he needs time to see the ball.
  • Beasley - Great in the short area but not a threat past 10 yards.
  • more Beasley - DBs have a big length advantage and can reach around/over him on intermediate/deep routes.
  • Butler - One trick pony. Good catching the deep ball but mentally similar to Dez otherwise.

The following excludes Butler because he didn't play a high number of snaps:
  • With Witten/Beasley restricted to the short area, they needed big play threats somewhere.
  • Dez/TWill not big play threats.
  • Dez is now slow which made it easy for defenses to give extra attention to the short area.
  • TWill is actually good on intermediate routes but that makes them even more predictable.
  • All receivers (WRs/TEs) extremely predictable because of their limitations.
The defense played reasonably well, especially starting about 5 games from the end when Awuzie became the starting LCB and Scandrick got injured around that time which made Lewis the starting RCB. Woods played slot-CB in those games and they were using Frazier vs Run and Jones vs Pass at SS (70% Jones, 30% Frazier).

They were without Irving for much of that time but still managed OK. They were down to about the 6th option as the 2nd DT. Datone Jones was signed and immediately played quite well; although, he learned the hard way that when you play in Green Bay you can get by things (holding) that will get called every time if you play for the Cowboys. He did display an obvious difference in how he had been coached. He was very focused on tying up blocker to allow others to succeed as pass rushers.

LB was good when Hitchens/Lee/Jaylon were at their healthiest.

At 1-tech Price played decent but got injured not too long after Paea retired.

In 2018:
Taco should be much better. He appeared to be getting more comfortable later in the season.
DLaw is still here.
Collins/Irving likely the starting DTs with Price and a run plugger possibly from the draft. Datone Jones can play both DT/DE.
Crawford has been better than people think. The fact that he is a bit overpaid does not mean that he can't play.

They replaced Hitchens with Thomas. He has started games and is probably a better fit here in the 4-3.
Jaylon should be better. He improved significantly over the season.
Wilson has been OK at SLB for the 15% of snaps they use and SLB.
That gives them 3 players Lee/Thomas/Jaylon for 2 spots. The odd man odd /can compete at SLB.

CB looks better than it has in a long time. It looked good already but if they really move Jones to CB that just makes them even deeper.
Awuzie/Lewis/Woods were the starters the final 4/5 games.
Brown still played a significant number of snaps as they would give him a couple of series in place of both Awuzie and Lewis as well as the Dime package.

Safety is a bit odd.
They managed last season with Heath at FS and Jones/Frazier at SS.
Woods will likely get a chance to complete at Safety. He played some snaps at Safety last season but primarily at slot-CB.

Summary:
They look OK at most of the starting spots on defense.
Safety is a question mark but Woods might be an answer.
LB OK for starters but need depth and future starter replacements.
DL OK. Adding a run-plugging 4th DT shouldn't be difficult in either FA or with a mid-round pick.
Draft Picks will improve the talent level but there is not a must-have at any position on defense.
 

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Like I said, the negativity doesn't help anyone. Except maybe yourself.

This is a message board. If you think people need to fluff up a front office that has no idea what it's doing to have a discussion, that's on you.
 

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OP is going to look pretty foolish if the first few picks go to the defense....
 

Galian Beast

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Did the OP just want to rant and ignore what we've actlaly done this offseason?

Crying about cheap investments at WR when we needed at least one guy and crying at getting a RT or a swing tackle when we needed one is silly. Ignoring the franchise tag on Dlaw and the 2nd round tender on Irving?

Also, the offseason isn't over.

We have one of the top 5 most expensive offenses in the league and continue to create a talent drought on defense. Putting the franchise tag and a cheap 2nd round tender on players doesn't change that.

Team absolutely didn't need a 6 million dollar per year WR...

What is the WR depth chart?
 

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The most important player on this team is the one we have lined up behind center and he needs help if he’s going to develop. We all know the defense needs help but if we don’t put solid pieces behind around Dak and he fails the Cowboys will be burning top 10 picks trying to replace him. When the offense was clicking with Romo and with Dez at the top of his game we were wasting premium draft picks on injured players and a drug addict to try and fix the defense.

Now the offense needs help at receiver and on the OL. Our D was better than our offense last year. Our offense ranked 14th while our D ranked 8th. We have Dez and Witten in decline and some chinks on our OL that was the best in the league not long ago. We can never get both sides of the ball clicking at the same time. Now both sides need help.
 

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OP is going to look pretty foolish if the first few picks go to the defense....

Only in your mind. They have to go defense in the draft, but they also had to go defense in free agency. That you're not getting that is no surprise given how conditioned some around here seem to be around offensive spending.
 

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We have one of the top 5 most expensive offenses in the league and continue to create a talent drought on defense. Putting the franchise tag and a cheap 2nd round tender on players doesn't change that.

Team absolutely didn't need a 6 million dollar per year WR...

What is the WR depth chart?
I just don't get some people. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 

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The most important player on this team is the one we have lined up behind center and he needs help if he’s going to develop. We all know the defense needs help but if we don’t put solid pieces behind around Dak and he fails the Cowboys will be burning top 10 picks trying to replace him. When the offense was clicking with Romo and with Dez at the top of his game we were wasting premium draft picks on injured players and a drug addict to try and fix the defense. Now the offense needs help, it was worse than our defense last year. We have Dez and Witten in decline and some chinks on our OL that was the best in the league not long ago. We can never get both sides of the ball clicking at the same time. Now both sides need help.

It was worse because they front office didn't take seriously the lack of talent at running back behind Elliott and the injury concerns with Smith. They also put in charge a very average QB to run this expensive offense and asked him to do it just like Romo.
 

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The offense was the biggest problem in 2017.

Better performance from the Swing Tackle(s) could easily have resulted in two more wins.

They can't win consistently with the status of the WRs in 2017.

People don't seem to realize just how difficult it had to be to design/call plays for that set of receiving options.
  • Dez - Slow. Very limited route tree. Can't run option routes consistently.
  • Witten - OK if the WRs are good and fast but with a slow #1 WR it's a bad combination.
  • TWill- Not a deep ball WR but struggles when he is too close to the QB because he needs time to see the ball.
  • Beasley - Great in the short area but not a threat past 10 yards.
  • more Beasley - DBs have a big length advantage and can reach around/over him on intermediate/deep routes.
  • Butler - One trick pony. Good catching the deep ball but mentally similar to Dez otherwise.

The following excludes Butler because he didn't play a high number of snaps:
  • With Witten/Beasley restricted to the short area, they needed big play threats somewhere.
  • Dez/TWill not big play threats.
  • Dez is now slow which made it easy for defenses to give extra attention to the short area.
  • TWill is actually good on intermediate routes but that makes them even more predictable.
  • All receivers (WRs/TEs) extremely predictable because of their limitations.
The defense played reasonably well, especially starting about 5 games from the end when Awuzie became the starting LCB and Scandrick got injured around that time which made Lewis the starting RCB. Woods played slot-CB in those games and they were using Frazier vs Run and Jones vs Pass at SS (70% Jones, 30% Frazier).

They were without Irving for much of that time but still managed OK. They were down to about the 6th option as the 2nd DT. Datone Jones was signed and immediately played quite well; although, he learned the hard way that when you play in Green Bay you can get by things (holding) that will get called every time if you play for the Cowboys. He did display an obvious difference in how he had been coached. He was very focused on tying up blocker to allow others to succeed as pass rushers.

LB was good when Hitchens/Lee/Jaylon were at their healthiest.

At 1-tech Price played decent but got injured not too long after Paea retired.

In 2018:
Taco should be much better. He appeared to be getting more comfortable later in the season.
DLaw is still here.
Collins/Irving likely the starting DTs with Price and a run plugger possibly from the draft. Datone Jones can play both DT/DE.
Crawford has been better than people think. The fact that he is a bit overpaid does not mean that he can't play.

They replaced Hitchens with Thomas. He has started games and is probably a better fit here in the 4-3.
Jaylon should be better. He improved significantly over the season.
Wilson has been OK at SLB for the 15% of snaps they use and SLB.
That gives them 3 players Lee/Thomas/Jaylon for 2 spots. The odd man odd /can compete at SLB.

CB looks better than it has in a long time. It looked good already but if they really move Jones to CB that just makes them even deeper.
Awuzie/Lewis/Woods were the starters the final 4/5 games.
Brown still played a significant number of snaps as they would give him a couple of series in place of both Awuzie and Lewis as well as the Dime package.

Safety is a bit odd.
They managed last season with Heath at FS and Jones/Frazier at SS.
Woods will likely get a chance to complete at Safety. He played some snaps at Safety last season but primarily at slot-CB.

Summary:
They look OK at most of the starting spots on defense.
Safety is a question mark but Woods might be an answer.
LB OK for starters but need depth and future starter replacements.
DL OK. Adding a run-plugging 4th DT shouldn't be difficult in either FA or with a mid-round pick.
Draft Picks will improve the talent level but there is not a must-have at any position on defense.


What's the best team they beat last year? You don't realize the gap between this team and top tier teams.
 

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It was worse because they front office didn't take seriously the lack of talent at running back behind Elliott and the injury concerns with Smith. They also put in charge a very average QB to run this expensive offense and asked him to do it just like Romo.

Dak wasn’t asked to do everything like Romo which is one reason we have a dink and dunk passing game plus the read option is an element we’ve added with Dak. If you think Dak is a very average QB that’s your opinion. See how many very average QBs you can find that accounted for 56 touchdowns rushing and passing the past two seasons and are 22-10 as a starting QB.
 

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Please see any evidence where I suggested franchising a player with a bunch of red flags was a great idea.

They aren't spending wisely nor are they diversifying their risks. Worse is they still have huge holes around the defense.

Not spending wisely? Because they're not committing money where you want them to? DB's have dominated recent drafts and our defensive line is the second highest paid position group. They're probably about to add 2-3 more (at least) defenders in the draft. Come on, man.
 

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This is a message board. If you think people need to fluff up a front office that has no idea what it's doing to have a discussion, that's on you.
I doubt this front office even cares about what fans say on a message board. They are probably happy that someone is even discussing them.
 

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The offense was the biggest problem in 2017.

Are you kidding? Why do so many fans think this way? If the offense isn't perfectly efficient it is somehow their fault that we lose games?

Our defense has been awful the entire time under Garrett. They are especially awful in crucial moments when they need to make a play to win the game. It seems that they almost always lose in a position where the other team has one more drive to score points. And by the way, they were ranked 25th in the league in DVOA last year. Thats pretty close to the worst defense.
 

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Are you kidding? Why do so many fans think this way? If the offense isn't perfectly efficient it is somehow their fault that we lose games?

Our defense has been awful the entire time under Garrett. They are especially awful in crucial moments when they need to make a play to win the game. It seems that they almost always lose in a position where the other team has one more drive to score points. And by the way, they were ranked 25th in the league in DVOA last year. Thats pretty close to the worst defense.
The offense was fine...we missed Zeke...if not for that farce,we win 2 more games and go 11-5. You would think we went 4-12.
 
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