Holy Cow, Quincy was just on 103.3...

[Hostile]

Seriously? I can't tell if you're kidding or not

if that's the case, that's just horrible. Vinny is the worst thing to happen to this franchise since I've been a fan. He is the reason why I had to go to therapy to help erase the 2004 season from my head (joking)... what a waste of a season though. I threw up and passed out everytime the ball was snapped to that moron with his pants pulled up to his chest

Yes, I was serious.

 

[joseephuss]

The Cowboys really don't want to win... They'd rather lose. I can't believe I didn't see it before.

I have said that all along. Parcells is truly a Giant and wants to sabotage the Cowboys.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Looks like 24 Hour Fitness just had a shift change...

 

[kartr]

Heck he had a problem anytime a QB was added to the roster. Carter is a mental weakling he can't handle the pressure that goes along with the job. He could not handle it at Georgia either when the speculation that he may lose his job.

I wasn't aware that mental weaklings get their teams to bowl games every year and the playoffs when they play the whole season. You are pathetic. Carter only left Georgia because he was overage and worried about starting a new system under Richt, plus all his best players had left too.

 

[joseephuss]

The Cowboys really don't want to win... They'd rather lose. I can't believe I didn't see it before.

Every team wants to lose. That is why they all purposely do not sign Quincy.

 

[Hostile]

remember valley ranch equals not tuna.

what you heard, no doubt, were rumblings about failed drug tests and looming suspensions that sources inside VR learned about and needed to prepare for. vinny was around, 2+2 was obvoius. of course jerruh had to play the "we're surprised" card for legal and other reasons when releasing QC.

as limited as QC was on the field, NO ONE thought Vinny would be an upgrade as starter. not even jerruh in his wildest, dream... i'm hard on Jerruh for bone-headed football moves, but even he knew better.

No, I didn't hear drug rumblings from VR. I did hear them from fans at times, including from people who reported he did coke at Georgia and one of his biggest fans met some people in Iraq who said the same. The son of the owner of the comapny I work for played all star baseball with him and swears to me he was a coke head.

All of that is 3rd party and I don't push it. Never have.

I have an occasional good source at VR. A couple of things haven't worked out, but for the most part, I can't complain. As I said, I knew in March he was going to be gone unless he "lit it up in TC." Excuse the pun. I even said as much to one poster on this forum via PMs. Up to that person if he wants to verify my claims or not.

Do you really buy that he was waived for a failed mj test? Come on.

 

[Hostile]

TA-DAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually is Ta duh in this case.

 

[Crown Royal]

Do you really buy that he was waived for a failed mj test? Come on.

I do - yes.

 

[Hostile]

Why do you think that they don't want him back. They know with as much talent as this team has, we'd go straight back to the playoffs. They'd rather lose with garbage rather than win with a mobile qb. Seems like they aren't real cowboy fans like you and me.

Be real careful about questioning people's loyalty to the team. That's troll garbage.

 

[kartr]

I say Vinny was brought in to replace him. Got it direct from Valley Ranch in March 2004, a full 4 months before we even got Testasaurus. Henson was also brought in to replace him. That didn't work out. It doesn't change the fact that was clearly the plan from the get go.

I agree. I believe the plan all along was to let him go, but not because he wasn't any good. He was let go because Bill thought he was the reason Q played well enough to get us to the playoffs. Now, he knows different. I believe that's why Q used marijuana, he felt betrayed after getting the team to the playoffs and his drug of choice was marijuana and instead of alcohol. Marijuana is only criminalized because of politics. More people are killed by drunk drivers than marijuana, yet alcohol is still legal.

 

[Hostile]

I do - yes.

You'd be wrong.

 

[Crown Royal]

I agree. I believe the plan all along was to let him go, but not because he wasn't any good. He was let go because Bill thought he was the reason Q played well enough to get us to the playoffs. Now, he knows different. I believe that's why Q used marijuana, he felt betrayed after getting the team to the playoffs and his drug of choice was marijuana and instead of alcohol. Marijuana is only criminalized because of politics. More people are killed by drunk drivers than marijuana, yet alcohol is still legal.

You just crossed over from ridiculous to bizarre. So...let me get this straight - Carter used drugs because Parcells, who hates 'good qb play' and was going to cut Carter because he played 'well.'

 

[Hostile]

I agree. I believe the plan all along was to let him go, but not because he wasn't any good. He was let go because Bill thought he was the reason Q played well enough to get us to the playoffs. Now, he knows different. I believe that's why Q used marijuana, he felt betrayed after getting the team to the playoffs and his drug of choice was marijuana and instead of alcohol. Marijuana is only criminalized because of politics. More people are killed by drunk drivers than marijuana, yet alcohol is still legal.

He was let go for a myriad of reasons, his drug use was not among those reasons. Weaklings need an excuse to screw up.

 

[Crown Royal]

You'd be wrong.

So what - you think it's just a fortunate scapegoat that happened to occur so that they could avoid explaining that he was cut because of his play?

Do you honestly think this team would keep a QB who failed a substance abuse test?

 

[joseephuss]

I agree. I believe the plan all along was to let him go, but not because he wasn't any good. He was let go because Bill thought he was the reason Q played well enough to get us to the playoffs. Now, he knows different. I believe that's why Q used marijuana, he felt betrayed after getting the team to the playoffs and his drug of choice was marijuana and instead of alcohol. Marijuana is only criminalized because of politics. More people are killed by drunk drivers than marijuana, yet alcohol is still legal.

Even so, pot is illegal and banned by the NFL. Instead of turning to it, Quincy should have just worked harder. That is a weakness of his, he craters when faced with competition. The reality is that he was better than old Vinny and very raw Henson. He should not have felt intimidated by the competition, but he did and that is why he failed. Same thing in New York. He was intimidated by Pennington coming back from injury. Instead of enjoying his moments to play and taking advantage of that time, he failed again. The same story appeared again when he went to the CFL. Afraid of competition.

 

[kartr]

IMO, QB is the hardest position to fill. Teams are desperate for quality QB’s. There is a vast difference between a starting QB and a back up… it drops even further when we bring in the 3rd string QB. NFL teams are always searching for a talented field general. Off field issues don’t mean a thing when you talk about quality play on the field.

Just look at TO, right or wrong he brings off field issues with him. Yet, if the Boys released TO today, tomorrow he would be going through offers from others teams. QC hasn’t fielded offers from other teams because of his level of talent. Not because he smoked a joint.

If you're right about talent being the key, why is Andrew Walters a starting qb with Tony Banks,Jeff Blake sitting at home. What has Joey Harrington accomplished compared to those two. Why does Luke McCown or Josh McCown have a job? Where's their talent? Why did Chicago go with Hutch instead of Quincy last year, and why Kyle Orton. Chicago had the lowest rated offense last year,despite a stellar defense. The NFL has a credibilty problem when it comes to the qb position. That's the only position that they can't seem to figure out. Maybe they need to take their blinders off.

 

[Hostile]

So what - you think it's just a fortunate scapegoat that happened to occur so that they could avoid explaining that he was cut because of his play?

Do you honestly think this team would keep a QB who failed a substance abuse test?

No.

In 2002 he was benched because of his attitude. His level of play contributed, but wasn't the whole story. He stabbed teammates in the back in meetings, all kinds of stuff. I can tell you the whole story if you wish and I got it right from the mouth of a player on the team at the time.

He asked for all kinds of meetings with Jerry and got all paranoid over the signing of Hutch. He hated any time he felt like there was competition.

In 2003 he got his act together and got a shot to start and beat Hutch out. Once he knew the team was his again he started having attitude problems again. Parcells does not put up with that. When the Cowboys started looking at Henson in February of 2004 Carter flipped his lid again. Demanding meetings with Jerry. Paranoid.

By March, the Cowboys had signed Henson and Carter was back to his old self destructive ways. The same source who told me we were going to land Henson for a 3rd round pick told me the Cowboys were going to sign either Warner or Vinny in the off season and that Q's only way to stay on the team was to play lights out at TC and be the undisputed top guy. he didn't do that. More paranoia.

Under the conditions of the CBA Jerry cannot tell Parcells when a player has failed a drug test. Waiving Q was Parcells call. 100%.

True story.

 

[superpunk]

I agree. I believe the plan all along was to let him go, but not because he wasn't any good. He was let go because Bill thought he was the reason Q played well enough to get us to the playoffs. Now, he knows different. I believe that's why Q used marijuana, he felt betrayed after getting the team to the playoffs and his drug of choice was marijuana and instead of alcohol. Marijuana is only criminalized because of politics. More people are killed by drunk drivers than marijuana, yet alcohol is still legal.

It gets bizarrer and bizarrer....I can't even believe it anymore.

 

[joseephuss]

If you're right about talent being the key, why is Andrew Walters a starting qb with Tony Banks,Jeff Blake sitting at home. What has Joey Harrington accomplished compared to those two. Why does Luke McCown or Josh McCown have a job? Where's their talent? Why did Chicago go with Hutch instead of Quincy last year, and why Kyle Orton. Chicago had the lowest rated offense last year,despite a stellar defense. The NFL has a credibilty problem when it comes to the qb position. That's the only position that they can't seem to figure out. Maybe they need to take their blinders off.

A team has to have a hope for building a long term solution. Walters gives Oakland more of a chance to have that long term solution than either Banks or Blake. He may not give them a good chance, but still better than older QBs like Banks or Blake. What would either Banks or Blake give any team? They were never great QBs and this late in their careers, they probably aren't even good QBs.

Chicago did not go with Hutch over Quincy. They just went with Hutch. Quincy did not enter into the picture of any team because of his past. Drugs played a part of it, but mostly it was that he quit on the Jets. That kind of reputation does not go well.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

My friend, pot is a gateway drug. It will make you go crazy and kill people and do terrible things be they friends, neighbors, family, etc. Next morning as you awaken you will remember nothing except to feel the urge to rob a fast-food place to (ease the munchies) and get more money for the sudden addiction. Next thing you know you'll be living in a van underneath a bridge and injecting yourself with the demon drug. At least with alcohol you won't become a pariah and be banisned from most families.