How Dak Stacks up

[Swagger]

agreed.. mahomes would likely have zero superbowls if not for really good (RELIABLE get a stop when needed) defenses. Certainly last year when the Chiefs didnt allow more than 25 points but 3 times last year, and lost two of those games.

How many trophies would Brady have without great defenses?

Defense still wins championships, always has and always will. If it didnt, Peyton Manning would have 7 super bowls, Dan Marino would have many, and Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw wouldn't have any

Cowboys D played well enough to win both play off games against 49ers in recent years. Prescott was afforded multiple drives to win each game but ultimately, he wasn't good enough and he came up short.

 

[Rockport]

Fine, so why was Dak unable to score at all? The Packer defense was nothing special.

Highest paid player on the field was the worst player on the field.

No threat of a running game. Defenses just focused on the passing game. I don’t know why this is so hard for some posters to understand. Just blinded by their hate apparently. Like you.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Memories.................la la la la la la..............notice the Deer in the headlights at the end of the clip.

Notice how he locked in on the receiver before the ball was snapped and never bothered to actually go through his progressions. Ball snaps he locks in and just fires it right at the defender.

 

[erod]

Again EVERY single QB had a bad half in the playoffs. Using the metric you are using Mahomes is horrible in the playoffs, as is Allen, Lamar, Stroud, Purdy, Hurts, etc. By your own logic every QB in the playoffs this year was horrible. Now that might seem illogical. By your own logic Josh Allen is indefensible. Its interesting you point out the games against the 49ers though because they seem to have a good ability to make great QBs look awful. Case in point they have done it to Rodgers for basically the past 10 years. He can look great until he plays them and then he looks awful. Guessing you would also call top 10 all time QB Aaron Rodgers horrible as well.

Dak is bad the entire game. Throwing for a bunch of yards when you are way behind in the 4th quarter is for losers.

 

[Adreme]

Or as Jimmie Ward stated......

“We went in there and did what we needed to do: Stop the run and force them to be one-dimensional. See if Prescott could win the game for them". in 2022
or
“Dak isn't good against zone [coverage].” in 2023

Odd because when you actually break down the plays they ran it was undermanned boxes a lot of 2 deep safety and basically going "we know you cant run up the middle on us so we will stack the secondary". You can watch the film and see their defenses. The beautiful thing about film is that it does not lie whereas people can.

 

[Adreme]

Complimentary football. If the offense did more than nothing or even worse, the QB give the opposition 14 points then the D wouldn't have given up 6 touchdown on the first 7 Packers' possessions.

The game was over because of both Prescott and the defense. One isn't devoid of any blame

Except I watched multiple teams make comebacks where the QB played as bad if not worse in the past 2 years in the first half (including one against that exact team the next week). The difference was that when the comeback started the defense kept being terrible whereas for those teams the defense stepped up. You could have combined Rodgers with Brady and Mahomes with Manning's brain and it would not matter because again in the entire history of the NFL playoffs no team has EVER won when their defense gave up 6TDs in the first 7 possessions.

 

[Adreme]

Dak is bad the entire game. Throwing for a bunch of yards when you are way behind in the 4th quarter is for losers.

I mean as long as we ignore the TD scored at the end of the half and all the points scored in the 3rd quarter your argument makes sense. Basically as long as we ignore all evidence to the contrary (of which there is a lot) your argument makes sense.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Odd because when you actually break down the plays they ran it was undermanned boxes a lot of 2 deep safety and basically going "we know you cant run up the middle on us so we will stack the secondary". You can watch the film and see their defenses. The beautiful thing about film is that it does not lie whereas people can.

.....and the two deep Safeties, post snap moving one down, is probably the one defensive line-up which catches Dak out time and time again. I note you've conveniently missed that over the two SF games Dak had 4 (well 5, with the one drive with less than a minute) drives to win/tie.....but couldnt execute. .

 

[erod]

I mean as long as we ignore the TD scored at the end of the half and all the points scored in the 3rd quarter your argument makes sense. Basically as long as we ignore all evidence to the contrary (of which there is a lot) your argument makes sense.

Lol, it was 27-0, dude. You're flailing.

 

[SiCk_DiAbLo]

Fun fact: in 3 of Dak’s playoff losses the defense allowed 30+ points.

Other Quarterbacks playoff records when their defense allows 30+

Tom Brady: 2-3
Aaron Rodgers: 1-5
Drew Brees: 0-3
Joe Montana: 0-3
Brett Farve: 0-7
Peyton Manning: 2-4
John Elway: 0-6
Ben Roethlisberger: 0-6

“But playoffs” is a stupid argument when analyzing a quarterback’s skill set

Fun fact, didn't all of them win Super Bowls??

 

[buybuydandavis]

Dude was in complete panic mode and seemed relieved once it was completely out of hand.

Once you're *supposed* to lose, the pressure is off.

 

[GroundZero1970]

Fun fact, didn't all of them win Super Bowls??

Fun fact wasn't Brees in 9th year when he won...wait for it...isn't this Dak 9th season....hmmmmmm

 

[buybuydandavis]

Well should be 2-5, but still, it is very weak to proclaim someone an all time great when they choke in the playoffs harder than anyone has ever choked in the playoffs before.

And it's not just the record.
It's how he played.
It's a team game. A QB can play well in a loss.
Dak has played poorly in the playoffs. Worse than he plays in the regular season.

 

[Brax]

I'm guessing you put the recent GB loss on that list even though Dak was responsible for 14 GB points in the first half and in the 4th quarter Dak threw 4 straight times and turned it over on downs at the 40 which allowed yet another GB short field score.

But I read here Dak had a good game.

 

[DandyDon52]

From 2016 to 2023, when Dak has been the starting QB, the Dallas Cowboys have 30 Pro Bowls for offensive players alone, ranking them #1 among all other NFL teams. The Eagles and Chiefs are tied for 2nd place with 25 Pro Bowlers on offense. I did not count quarterbacks.

This is not the perfect way to rate the quality of help from his teammates but it does tell us that he was never just hung out to dry. He was given a more than reasonable amount of tools to work with.

There were times when the defense didn't do their part, right? Which one of those guys were getting paid 40 million a year? That's the kind of money that goes to guys that aren't just the "franchise" QB's, they are the NFL seasons difference makers.

Dak's career stats look great in the games nobody will ever remember. The Cowboys have been out of the championship picture for so long that the regular season is considered historically relevant by some fans. They are not.

The regular season is simply a means to an end. They are the "qualifying rounds" for playoff positioning. The playoffs are the true season. Nobody is going to hold fond memories of a team that was 14-3 before losing in the divisional round. Nobody is going to criticize a 10-7 team if they win the Super Bowl.

“But playoffs” is a stupid argument when analyzing a quarterback’s skill set...

It is the only argument that matters.

Which quarterbacks in NFL history are the ones we celebrate? Is it the one that has been awarded 1st team All Pro or is it the one holding the SB trophy at the end of the season?

Is it the one that throws the most TD's in a season or is it the one that threw "that" TD in the 4th quarter of a Super Bowl?

Steve Young was the passing leader in six different seasons. He has one SB ring as the starting quarterback. If he could switch out with Troy Aikman's 3 SB rings, how many here think he would hesitate a nano-second to grab those rings?

Finally, Dak is receiving unfair criticism again. It's as if he is personally responsible for decisions made by someone totally unqualified to do so, an owner that beleives his QB will play just like Aaron Rodgers if you pay him the same way.

Dak should have never been paid that size of a contract, his agent took advantage of Jerry Jones lack of understanding the importance of concepts like competition and leverage.

If Dak had just been asked to do the things he does well, the Cowboys might already have a ring. Instead, this offense is the complete opposite of what it should have been. This was a power running game sprinkled with fortuitous passing opportunities by a careful game manager. We have all seen the stats on the results of games in which Dak has to throw more than 35 times compared to less. It is night and day.

Of course, we are going to see a reproduction of a season where the offense is one-dimensional with the very wrong dimension unless they are gifted a miracle RB that materializes from the weakest group of RB's since the day after they traded Herschel Walker in 1989.

great post !
I have to agree on all of that.
Jerry likes passing teams/ qb's, most fans like that too, the nfl likes it as well pass pass pass, most HC's and play callers also like to pass
a lot.
Just getting them to be balanced is hard, run heavy they just wont hardly do it, even if they can run good.
That is partly why jerry thinks it is ok this year to have a team with weak rb room. They are supposed to pass the ball most of the time.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[DandyDon52]

Who gives a crap about stats.

I’ll be glad when he’s gone.

Whenever that time comes.

Sadly it may not come for years, as I think jerry will extend dak before season or after season ends.

 

[DandyDon52]

I like Romo but sadly I wouldn't call him one of the all time greats. There have been too many great quarterbacks that got it done. Standard for Quarterbacks also seems a bit higher than Tightend and Defensive End. Witten and Ware are more likely to get into the HOF versus Dak or Romo.

Good point, only qb's are judge by wins and SB's and SB wins.
Other positions get in even if they never play in a SB!
They are judged by stats, records set ,stuff like that.

To get to a SB and then to win it , usually requires
a very good GM,(we dont have that )
a very good HC, (we dont have that )
a very good Playcaller (we dont have that )
and sometimes it requires
a very good qb , (we dont have that )
a very good rb , (we dont have that )
a very good defense (we dont have that ) at least not in playoffs or consistently.

So it looks like we really dont have any of the requirements !!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
So why expect to be good in playoffs and go to a SB?????

And even though Dak does play poorly , is failure in the playoffs really all on him>?

 

[DandyDon52]

Isnt the two high Safeties, where one comes down post snap, the killer play which Dak repeatedly fails to see?

could be, I would have to have the all 22 to see what defense does on that play.

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

....Another Dak thread attempt similar to "putting lipstick on a pig".... Don't believe your eyes, believe in the selective stats i am throwing at you in comparison to some QBs who have actually won big games and in the playoffs too, just not the ones I will pick out for you. Who are you kidding?.... we all seen Dak implode in the most crucial times and in the playoffs. Trying to blame the defense for his failures is insane. Go peddle this to some football fans who only know that it is a oblong shaped weird ball. A pig is still a pig. no matter if you put lipstick, eyelashes, a tutu and pearl earrings with a matching necklace.
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Best Dak reply eva ~!

 

[HonoluluCowboy]

Good point, only qb's are judge by wins and SB's and SB wins.
Other positions get in even if they never play in a SB!
They are judged by stats, records set ,stuff like that.

To get to a SB and then to win it , usually requires
a very good GM,(we dont have that )
a very good HC, (we dont have that )
a very good Playcaller (we dont have that )
and sometimes it requires
a very good qb , (we dont have that )
a very good rb , (we dont have that )
a very good defense (we dont have that ) at least not in playoffs or consistently.

So it looks like we really dont have any of the requirements !!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
So why expect to be good in playoffs and go to a SB?????

And even though Dak does play poorly , is failure in the playoffs really all on him>?

YES