How do Dallas fans really feel about Wade?

[nc1054]

If the only other option in Jerrah's mind was Norv, then I'm happy with the choice.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I DO NOT like the hire. I DID NOT want a re-tread in here. Was looking for fresh-blood, someone w/ a new perspective. Jerry gets credit for being a daring, bold-oilman BUT he can't do the same as a football team owner?! see Steelers hire of Mike Tomlinson - NOW that's freakin' bold & courageous! What does JJ do? YAWN.....stick to the oil-business Jerry, stick to what your good at.

My preference was Mike Singletary, Ron Rivera, or Rex Ryan (couldn't even get a freakin' interview!).....

Actually he has done that before...He hired Chan at one time.

Also he is doing it again in some areas. He is going with Jason Garrett which is a bold move to consider him as OC with only a couple years of exp at coaching and at QB coach.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Fair enough.

Assuming the Johnson/Jones split was unavoidable and not either's "fault" ... is there merit to the suggestion that it appeared Jones slowly assumed more and more control after that, up through the hiring of Parcells? And that it now looks like history might be repeating itself with Phillips?

As to Snyder ... I know all about myth becoming fact. In this specific case, however, your "fact" is incontrovertible. The team has in fact won just 2 playoff games in his 7 years. Which sucks. There are a lot of "myths" associated with the reasons for that as well. But let's save that for a Snyder discussion some other time.

The myth and legend reference was with respect to the JJ/JJ relationship and it's break-up.

I don't know if there is merit to the suggestion that JJ assumed more control. I think both JJs had a mutual relationship as far as running the team was concerend. I think Jones' ego got the best of him due to the success he had with Jimmy, and he thought he could evaluate talent better than he could. Every boss wants to have a subordinate that he can have a good relationship with, and that applies to the owner/GM head coach relationship. No one person can run a company. I don't think JJ assumed more control, I just think he thought he could do more than he could. He also sometimes slips into fan mode where he's more enamored with the "current" thing, than with what's really best for the team. But, after hiring Parcells' and watching him for for years from an organizational perspective, I think JJ has finally learned his lesson.

 

[dwmyers]

I guess what I can take from this is.

Some are excited because he's great with Defense, and many of you think the D was weak, late in the season.

Others aren't happy because Wade has a history of being a great Coord, but an average-at-best HC if you want to judge by postseason record and not stats.

The NORV bit weighed on a lot of fans minds. I have no issues with Norv's Xs and Os. But the question of his ability to evaluate talent and develop it ; it's not as if JJ is God's gift that way. I'd rather have talent evaluated by a /good/ scouting crew with assists from the HC. Jerry.. well, he's going to go out there and fetch free agents and he's good at that. Let him.

This HC gig is going to turn though on getting good assistants in here. We lost about half the offensive and defensive staff. Jones and Phillips are going to have to sell this place as a sexy stop for ambitious coaches.

 

[5mics]

Actually he has done that before...He hired Chan at one time.

Also he is doing it again in some areas. He is going with Jason Garrett which is a bold move to consider him as OC with only a couple years of exp at coaching and at QB coach.

Yeah, but it just pains me BP to see Jerry going the indirect way. I wanted to see us hire "the" HC, not some interim while we wait for our "real" coach. I just hate the "indirectness" of it all. Hire "the one" and let the chips fall where they may. Let's go to battle for the now and not what may lie ahead.....I AM just a very frustrated and depressed fan right now.....

 

[Wheat]

I thought if Jerry was going to pull a surprise. It would be with somebody really young, maybe somebody who if good. would be around for a long long time.

Maybe Jason will be that guy in a few years. I dunno. I was a bad year to be in the search game this late. But you know with Wade you'll at least get good D.

 

[Om]

The myth and legend reference was with respect to the JJ/JJ relationship and it's break-up.

I don't know if there is merit to the suggestion that JJ assumed more control. I think both JJs had a mutual relationship as far as running the team was concerend. I think Jones' ego got the best of him due to the success he had with Jimmy, and he thought he could evaluate talent better than he could. Every boss wants to have a subordinate that he can have a good relationship with, and that applies to the owner/GM head coach relationship. No one person can run a company. I don't think JJ assumed more control, I just think he thought he could do more than he could. He also sometimes slips into fan mode where he's more enamored with the "current" thing, than with what's really best for the team. But, after hiring Parcells' and watching him for for years from an organizational perspective, I think JJ has finally learned his lesson.

That's the crux of it. I thought so too with the Parcells hire. He provided for Jones what Gibbs did for Snyder--a legit, strong pro football guy to be the antidote to an owner seemingly thinking he WAS that guy. Now I'm not so sure ... just as I'll be concerned with who Snyder eventually hires as Gibbs' replacement.

If nothing else, where we seem to part at this point is that I think it's fair to suggest the "who's in charge here anyway?" angle is fair game again for you guys given Jerry's previous "thinking he could do more than he could do," Phillips' perhaps not being "strong" enough to provide an effective foil, and complicated by the Jason Garrett as presumptive crown prince dynamic.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's the crux of it. I thought so too with the Parcells hire. He provided for Jones what Gibbs did for Snyder--a legit, strong pro football guy to be the antidote to an owner seemingly thinking he WAS that guy. Now I'm not so sure ... just as I'll be concerned with who Snyder eventually hires as Gibbs' replacement given his early history.

If nothing else, where we seem to part at this point is that I think it's fair to suggest the "who's in charge here anyway?" angle is fair game again for you guys given Jerry's previous "thinking he could do more than he could do," Phillips' perhaps not being "strong" enough to provide an effective foil, and complicated by the Jason Garrett as presumptive crown prince dynamic.

However did you ever think that by Hiring Joe he, snyder, just went along further of what he was doing in some areas already.

He was a fan of Joe...he already believed in FA over the draft. Those areas do not seem to be much different IMO.

I am also not so sure that they disagree on other things since they share the general idea of FA over the draft.

Also from what I understand Williams took the job with the understanding that he would take over for Gibbs when Gibbs retired again. So in some ways it sounds like that is just an older more exp version of the prince waiting for the crown.

 

[Wheat]

However did you ever think that by Hiring Joe he, snyder, just went along further of what he was doing in some areas already.

He was a fan of Joe...he already believed in FA over the draft. Those areas do not seem to be much different IMO.

I am also not so sure that they disagree on other things since they share the general idea of FA over the draft.

Also from what I understand Williams took the job with the understanding that he would take over for Gibbs when Gibbs retired again. So in some ways it sounds like that is just an older more exp version of the prince waiting for the crown.

I've heard comflicting stories on Williams taking over after Gibbs retires again (but probably stays connected to the F.O.).

Personally, I think Russ Grimm would be an excellent head coach. He's all football, doesn't get pushed around, and isn't flashy. I think Pittsburgh missed the boat on him. I can only hope in a few years, he's back in D.C..

I agree with you on you comments on FA. I think there isn't one correct formula to win (The Pats seem to use both). But, I think you can't lean on one more than the other. Still no rookie puts a team over. Its a group effort, usually led by Vets.

 

[baj1dallas]

Yeah, but it just pains me BP to see Jerry going the indirect way. I wanted to see us hire "the" HC, not some interim while we wait for our "real" coach. I just hate the "indirectness" of it all. Hire "the one" and let the chips fall where they may. Let's go to battle for the now and not what may lie ahead.....I AM just a very frustrated and depressed fan right now.....

All I care about is winning NOW and Philips is the best chance at instant success.

 

[Om]

However did you ever think that by Hiring Joe he, snyder, just went along further of what he was doing in some areas already.

He was a fan of Joe...he already believed in FA over the draft. Those areas do not seem to be much different IMO.

I am also not so sure that they disagree on other things since they share the general idea of FA over the draft.

Also from what I understand Williams took the job with the understanding that he would take over for Gibbs when Gibbs retired again. So in some ways it sounds like that is just an older more exp version of the prince waiting for the crown.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing. My point was that before Gibbs, Snyder gave the appearance of becoming more involved every year in actual football operations. It may have been ONLY perception, but it was a strong one at the time, at least with me. Short of hiring someone as accredited in the actual game as Gibbs was/is, I would have continued to grow more concerned. With Gibbs there, I had no such concerns. If the Skins football aspect fails, it will be under the stewardship of a football guy, not the owner.

The face of the Commanders today is NOT its owner. Not by any rational measure. It is Joe Gibbs.

The face of the Cowboys, up until a month ago, was Bill Parcells. Few have ever been more qualified, and there was little doubt as to who was calling the football shots, at least as seen from the outside looking in.

Can we honestly say the same thing today with Wade Phillips?

 

[mschmidt64]

This was just about the worst decision we could have made among the candidates we were interviewing.

Jerry would have had to have really tried to unearth a crappier candidate than this guy.

 

[VA Cowboy]

This was just about the worst decision we could have made among the candidates we were interviewing.

Jerry would have had to have really tried to unearth a crappier candidate than this guy.

Hey Schmitty!

Actually, I think Norv would've been worse, but Wade with Jerry taking back control isn't a huge improvement.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

This was just about the worst decision we could have made among the candidates we were interviewing.

Jerry would have had to have really tried to unearth a crappier candidate than this guy.

If that was the case...he would have hired Norv.

 

[Zaxor]

Either I am confused by your takes or you are kind of contradicting yourself.

You hope that Garrett will save the Junior bum in one sentence but in the enxt you would have looked for someone that would be there for awhile.

So I take it you either wanted Redball to be the HC so he could be there for awhile or you wanted a Different HC all together and not worried about Redball being a future HC.

Actually I did think Garrett would / should have been HC if Jerry believes he is a star waiting to happen...otherwise I am for a young coaching staff along with a youngish HC... someone to give us atleast 10 good years...but I have been wrong before Brain...but I really just don't see much upside to hiring junior Bum..it is just the same as starting Bledsoe in that it is just spinning our wheels again but going no where fast.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Actually I did think Garrett would / should have been HC if Jerry believes he is a star waiting to happen...otherwise I am for a young coaching staff along with a youngish HC... someone to give us atleast 10 good years...but I have been wrong before Brain...but I really just don't see much upside to hiring junior Bum..it is just the same as starting Bledsoe in that it is just spinning our wheels again but going no where fast.

Well...I know many said to go ahead and make Jason the HC.

Personally I think that is a little crazy with his EXP.

Let him first have a taste at the OC job and move on from there. Might be different if he had had coaching exp for more than 2 years AS a coach.

Now IF we were in rebuilding mode than that might be a different situation.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Well...I know many said to go ahead and make Jason the HC.

Personally I think that is a little crazy with his EXP.

Let him first have a taste at the OC job and move on from there. Might be different if he had had coaching exp for more than 2 years AS a coach.

Now IF we were in rebuilding mode than that might be a different situation.

I agree.

The logic behind giving Garrett the reins to a team on the verge is crazy.

It prolly would've been crazy if he'd been handed the reins coming off three back-to-back 5-11 seasons. Say what you want about BP, but he was what the doctor ordered back then. But sometimes you have to change the medicine when the symptoms change.

 

[5Stars]

I suppose I like the hire because my big brother is a Charger fan and he hates the Cowboys...so, now I will see what he has to say about this?



I would rather have had Rivera, or just name Jason the HC and be done with it. As others have pointed out, and a RedStink pointed out, I'm worried about this being one of those "good old guy" hirings, someone that Jerra can push around. Hopefully that is not so, however....? I think Wade can do a good job with the defense and that excites me...

BUT, the one thing that does let me breathe easy is...it was not Norv!!

All in all, I'm fine with it...except the age factor...that bothers me. Wade is not really old, per se, but, I would have wanted someone younger that could relate to todays players better...maybe Wade can do that?

We will see...

 

[TtownCowboy]

I like it for the simple fact that the Ware vs Merriman question can finally be answered.

On a serious note I'll take Phillips over Turner. My first choice would have been Rivera, but he very well could've have been to us what Wandstadt (sp) was to the Bears. We won't know till he gets a HCing job. The hire could play out very well. If Phillips does to our defense what he did to SD and Sporano/Garrett can keep the offense doing what it did last year we are in great shape. Notice I put Sporano ahead of Garrett in that combo cause I think that is actually the way it will play out this year.

We have a top 5 offense w/SD type D and we can win it all. IMHO

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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